You Tube of Wolves and their victims

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[Bruce 22-250]

Warning graphic pictures of animals killed by wolves. Here is the truth with what living with wolves is really like. If you have a weak stomach don't view some very brutal pictures.

[Bruce 22-250]

Thanks for the welcome after this thread I don’t think I’m a rookie anymore. :-)

[Myrddin]

The number of wolves cited in your post is well below the current number. Idaho alone has upward of 1200 wolves. All the locals in Pocatello came up completely empty during the recent hunting. There's just nothing left to hunt. One my bi-weekly trips to Yellow, I've seen only a couple very young moose. There's plenty of elk along the Madison river and southward toward the Tetons. The only sheep I've seen in the park are around the meadow near the bridge at Madison Junction. I've seen ONE antelope in the last 5 years.

We're still waiting for wolf tags to be issued in Idaho. I have the 30-06 sighted and ready. Spring is coming. There's nothing quite like a pile of dead prairie dogs to lure the wolves and coyotes.

[freeplancer]

That must have some thrilling experience for you having her. I appreciate you sharing that on here.

[Bruce 22-250]

Good point on the coyotes actually I have a study that was done in CA-AZ about all the people that were attacked from coyotes. Some really vicous attacks were they knock down small children and tried to rip out their throats.

But AZ does have the Mexican gray wolf. Which is causing all kinds of trouble around Blue AZ.

[Bruce 22-250]

If you follow the link it was from a 2002 study. I thought this year the elk in Yellowstone were down from 19,500 to 5000? As one park ranger put it We know the wolves are effecting the elk population.

[Myrddin]

I’m happy to report that I only have to deal with coyotes and no moose. ;) But it is scary to have coyotes standing across the road, watching us.

I often have moose, elk and deer tracks in the snow on my front lawn during the winter. They come to chew on the evergreens. My wife is a police dispatcher. She often has to dispatch an officer and animal control to relocate a moose from yards in the area.

Many of the houses in the area have irrigation canals running behind the back fences. A couple years ago, we had a mountain lion hunting the backyards for pets. The canals served as easy access. We eventually nailed the cat.

[tpanther]

Perfectly stated...

I have my own wolf. He’s all of 18 pounds a little Fox Terrier and he controls the vermin (squirrels) in our backyard that literally eat everything in sight!

They get into the attic and chew wires, they literllay eat our fence...but he’s really helped control the damage!

[Myrddin]

The wolf advocates point out that the reduction in elk has allowed certain species of trees to return. Oh joy. The Canadian wolves introduced into the area weigh 120+ lbs. The native wolves that once roamed Idaho weighed 45-60 lbs.

The largest thing I hunted in San Diego was cotton tail rabbits. I'm well set up with firearms from 17M2 to S&W 500 Mag. Sadly, there little to shoot other than my paper targets and steel spinners.

[Myrddin]

I currently have 3 Rat Terriers. We had 4, but the oldest male developed lympho-sarcoma 3 weeks after he was neutered. Rat Terriers are a cross of Fox Terrier and Manchester Terrier. Our little guys eat the occasional squirrel. You can detect that gamey, fishy odor on them. Two of them are quite capable of climbing 6 feet up into the branches of our two big Black Austrian pines. We keep them fit by running them with a laser pointer in the evenings. They are fast as lightning.

I had a wolf/collie cross when I was young. We picked him up from a breeder near Seattle. He was a great dog. 120 lbs of solid muscle. He was very loyal to the family.

[tpanther]

Sounds like more liberal ignorant BS to me G8! ;)

You don’t subscribe to the knee-jerk ‘wolves are evil argument’ and you’re a tree-hugging PETA type eh? WHO KNEW?

I wonder what the Nooge would tell these yahoos about wolves!

[tpanther]

Actually if you truly think about it they very much ARE “justified”. It’s their nature. They can’t help it, that’s the way they’re “programmed”. These are wild and beautiful animals, from which I might add all dogs have descended from!

Now if I saw a wolf around my family I’d pop a cap in him just like I would a bear, tiger, lion, shark or al-qaeda.

But to suggest they’re some kind of black plague like scourge is assinine!

[familyop]

"See that’s where I went wrong...I assumed the guy was reputable since he was a pak ranger who claimed to have studied wolves and all, and seemed like he knew what he was talking about. Seems I was incorrect. Looks like I need to start double checking these things"

I would not have responded so bluntly, if at all, if I'd seen some of the other replies before posting. Some of them were more personally insulting than critical about the topic.

One question comes to mind about the debate in general, though. What knowledge do we have of fertile areas that were completely lacking in animal husbandry by humans? There are some interesting old accounts of visitors in areas that were only sparsely populated by humans, though.

[tpanther]

I got it right from the outset.

While there are some whacked out PETA types that put wolves before rancher’s livestock, etc...

There are ALSO the OBVIOUS opposite extremists that think apparently rancher’s livestock, etc. are more important than wolves; when NEITHER postion is true!

G8 merely pointed this out! Never saying we should have uncontrolled wolf populations, but only pointing out they’re as an integral a part of any ecosystem as any other predator or prey!

From the very outset, and this shouldn’t have been this hard!

[tpanther]

Doncha just love it G8? We have a word for party posers called RINO’s...what’s the freeper poser term?

[tpanther]

My fox terrier, descended from a wolf btw, kills for sport also...the damnable squirrels breeding by the dozens that are so voracious that they’ll literally eat our fence, and forget any birds...their feeders are WRECKED!

So it really depends on your point of view of sport or vermin control.

Somehow I don’t think wolves have some kind of nerve center they gather around telling them elf, deer or whatever are dwindling...

“Hey Ralphie...better take it easy....there’s only 25 deer out there on the west end of the range...we don’t wanna kill ‘em all off!”

Wolves are predators no different than tigers, lions, sharks, bears or any other flesh-eater created the way they are.

I loathe hyenaes...but I wouldn’t say they’re somehow “useless” by any stretch!

Mosquitoes?

Maybe...but each and every species was put here for it’s own reason.

[G8 Diplomat]

and you’re a tree-hugging PETA type eh?

Uh...no I'm not. I've already stated I was wrong; the ranger I listened to apparently didn't know what he was talking about. Please no more of these accusations.

[Bruce 22-250]

If you go to www.saveourelk.com you will see pictures of what they say is one 200 pound wolf and one 150 pound wolf. They are huge larger then any wolf I have ever seen.

Nice collecting too bad you stuck in town.

[tpanther]

Interesting.

I got my little man “Rascal” from a man that owns a farm and breeds them. They kill mice, rats, squirrels and other vermin DAILY!

They also keep the pests away like coons, strays, virtually any intruder.

They absolutely in their own way run the farm, and if need be will assist each other...

much like the wolves from which they descended.

But the thing about him is he’s as gentle as you can possibly imagine! NEVER bites other than playing. And what a digger! They can dig a rat right out of their hole!

BTW do you think the disease was related to getting snipped?

We didn’t get him fixed, the farmer said he thinks it “takes something out of them”.

Luckily we haven’t had too many issues with him other than the occasional sniffing of other dogs on my clothes...or the occasional “air-humping” out of the blue that’s fortunately rare ubt nevertheless awkward! :)

Perhaps I’ll look into breeding him and taking him back over to the farm.

[Bruce 22-250]

What the whole problem with wolves is back in 95 when they shove these wolves down our throat we were promised that once management goals were meet the wolves would be kept in check. The mangement goals was meet 2002 each year we are promised that the wolf hunting and trapping season is coming. Mean time each delay the wolf population skyrockets. Here it is 2008 wolves need to be thin down but the PETA type keep suing and stopping the season on the wolves. The deer and elk are getting slaughter. Each year more hunters quit and wolf population keeps skyrocketing. That is it in a nut shell open the season on wolves and allow us to keep them in check.