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NYT interview of Texas Gov. Rick Perry re: Boy Scouts
New York Times ^ | February 24, 2008 | DEBORAH SOLOMON

Posted on 02/28/2008 9:53:57 AM PST by fgoodwin

Q: Let’s talk about your new book, “On My Honor,” which draws on your experience as an Eagle Scout and champions the values of the Boy Scouts of America, to whom you are donating your royalties.

A: Yes, to their legal-defense fund.

Q: Which has been fighting the A.C.L.U., to keep gays out of the scouts. Why do you see that as a worthy cause?

A: I am pretty clear about this one. Scouting ought to be about building character, not about sex. Period. Precious few parents enroll their boys in the Scouts to get a crash course in sexual orientation.

Q: It’s a shame the Scouts are alienating so many American kids when they could be a force for equality and civic unity. What about the Boy Scout merit badges? Do they ever update them?

A: Oh, yes, absolutely. I was looking at a young man’s sash the other day, and he had merit badges on there I didn’t know.

Q: I was just looking at the hundred-plus merit badges online and was surprised that the Boy Scouts haven’t introduced more relevant projects than coin collecting.

A: They’ve done that. They’ve reached out and included things like the environmental-science badge.

Q: I know they have a dog-care merit badge, but why not a child-care badge?

A: Why not teach scouts how to change a baby’s diaper and help out moms? I don’t have a problem with that.

Q: How about a merit badge in vegetarianism?

A: It’s out there. It’s your choice. We raise a lot of vegetables down here in Texas. We like for people to eat vegetables.

Q; And instead of a shotgun-shooting merit badge, how about a gun-control badge?

A: Now you’ve stepped across the line. Remember, you are talking to a Texan.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Education; Outdoors; Society
KEYWORDS: aclu; antichristian; boyscouts; bsa; culturewar; culturewars; eaglescout; eaglescouts; gayscoutmasters; goodhair; homosexualagenda; indoctrination; liberalmedia; mediabias; newyorktimes; nyt; nytimes; onmyhonor; rickperry; scouting; scouts

1 posted on 02/28/2008 9:54:02 AM PST by fgoodwin
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To: SandRat

Please ping your Scouting List.


2 posted on 02/28/2008 9:54:36 AM PST by fgoodwin (Fundamentalist, right-wing nut and proud father of a Life Scout!)
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To: fgoodwin
Q: Which has been fighting the A.C.L.U., to keep gays out of the scouts. Why do you see that as a worthy cause?

To the Nyet Slimes:

Q: The A.C.L.U. has been fighting the to get gay scoutmasters in charge of the scouts. Why do you see that as a worthy cause?

3 posted on 02/28/2008 9:56:42 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: fgoodwin

Here is the Q/A I wished he would hav presented:

Q; And instead of a shotgun-shooting merit badge, how about a gun-control badge?

A: The shotgun-shooting merit badge *IS* a gun-control badge.


4 posted on 02/28/2008 9:58:42 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: fgoodwin

He gave pretty good answers to a hostile lefty!


5 posted on 02/28/2008 9:58:43 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: fgoodwin
Q: How about a merit badge in vegetarianism?

It isn't an IMPROVEMENT. It is just an endurance test to see if you can limit your food intake sources based on a MORAL choice. Meanwhile to do the same thing with romantic relationships is considered "intolerant".

6 posted on 02/28/2008 9:58:48 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: fgoodwin
Q; And instead of a shotgun-shooting merit badge, how about a gun-control badge?

Gun SHOOTING is a skill.

Gun GRABBING is a violation of constititionally identified basic RIGHTS.

7 posted on 02/28/2008 10:01:49 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: fgoodwin
Q: Which has been fighting the A.C.L.U., to keep gays out of the scouts. Why do you see that as a worthy cause?

Because it's a free country, you stupid idiot.

8 posted on 02/28/2008 10:02:57 AM PST by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: 1riot1ranger; Action-America; Aggie Mama; Alkhin; Allegra; American72; antivenom; Antoninus II; ...
Good Hair speaks:

Q: What do you think of Barack Obama?

A: I think he is a very attractive, very intriguing and, to many, a very stimulating candidate. I think he is one step away from being a socialist.

9 posted on 02/28/2008 10:04:47 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: fgoodwin

I didn’t care for the diaper answer. I would have prefered “like teach young men good father roles”? Nothing wrong with guys changing diapers and helping mom but focus on guy stuff.


10 posted on 02/28/2008 10:11:31 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: fgoodwin

NYT doing its best to mock the B.S.A..


11 posted on 02/28/2008 10:11:34 AM PST by nmh (Mike Huckabee the "religious" humanist that pushes socialism! (Clinton/Carter combo))
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To: Southack

I think he did a good job too!


12 posted on 02/28/2008 10:12:17 AM PST by nmh (Mike Huckabee the "religious" humanist that pushes socialism! (Clinton/Carter combo))
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To: fgoodwin
Q: I know they have a dog-care merit badge, but why not a child-care badge?

Hey, they have Girl Scouts for that already.

13 posted on 02/28/2008 10:16:02 AM PST by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: fgoodwin
Is this idiot for real? You can just tell that she absolutely cannot stand that some organization exists outside of, and contrary to, her own moronic view of the way the world ought to be. Where is the "tolerance" the liberals remind us of ad nauseum? Right. It isn't there. I wasn't a Scout. My kids are Scouts, one an Eagle. I send them to Scouts because I like the Scout values, which happen to be my own values as well. They used to be the values of most Americans. Even if they are no longer shared by some Americans, they are still mine, and I kindly advise her and her kind to bug off.
14 posted on 02/28/2008 10:17:53 AM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (McCain '08)
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To: CindyDawg

Seeing as the average scout is between 12 and 16 before he gets his Eagle, I feel it is inappropriate to teach them anything about parenthood. It is the job of the parents when they see fit.

I think scouting has changed for the worse when it comes to the new merit badges and such. Scouting is and will always be about building self-confidence, respect for authority, citizenship, and mostly camping. That is why as a scout leader I do not push nor encourage the “new” badges and we camp at least once if not more a month.


15 posted on 02/28/2008 10:18:33 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: nmh

Why do they think that old is always bad and new is good? I was thinking the other day that I should get some old Father knows Best, Mayberry, My 3 sons types of movies for my grandkids to watch occasionally.


16 posted on 02/28/2008 10:20:16 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

This reporter needs to grow up.


17 posted on 02/28/2008 10:20:31 AM PST by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: Resolute Conservative

You may not realize it but you are already teaching a father role to these boys. This starts at birth. A child sees how a man treats his wife and family. Mothers do the same with daughters. Kids that have a negative role model can get the chance to see a better way from mentors. People always think of parenthood as sex. That is not what I’m talking about.


18 posted on 02/28/2008 10:26:08 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: fgoodwin
Q: It’s a shame the Scouts are alienating so many American kids when they could be a force for equality and civic unity.

That's a question?

Look I'm all for unity. Everyone should agree with me and then we will have complete unity.

19 posted on 02/28/2008 10:31:09 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: CindyDawg

Spot on :)


20 posted on 02/28/2008 11:13:13 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: fgoodwin
Q: How about a merit badge in vegetarianism?

A: It’s out there. It’s your choice. We raise a lot of vegetables down here in Texas. We like for people to eat vegetables. Where's the merit in that?

Q; And instead of a shotgun-shooting merit badge, how about a gun-control badge?

A: Now you’ve stepped across the line. Remember, you are talking to a Texan, you limp-wristed, loafer-wearing leftie moronic piece of media scum.

21 posted on 02/28/2008 11:15:44 AM PST by Allegra (Posting without being logged on since 2001)
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To: CindyDawg

Good post!


22 posted on 02/28/2008 11:18:04 AM PST by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: Allegra

You go girl!

;<)


23 posted on 02/28/2008 11:18:58 AM PST by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: Eaker
This book On My Honor has two other great things; a complete listing of college scholarships for eagle scouts and a neat website to lave your scouting stories. www.onmyhonorthebook.com

buy the annoy the NYT!

24 posted on 02/28/2008 11:28:12 AM PST by HamiltonFan (Ignorance is bliss for the MSM)
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To: Allegra

Allegra for Governor!


25 posted on 02/28/2008 12:43:39 PM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: fgoodwin

NYT = rabid a$$hats


26 posted on 02/28/2008 12:46:06 PM PST by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: CindyDawg

Speaking of fatherhood, Gov. Perry was in San Antonio signing copies of this book Tuesday.

It happens that Tuesday was my daughter’s birthday. I skipped the book signing to take my daughter out for dinner at one of her favorite restaurants.

Sometimes being a dad involves tough choices, but this was a no-brainer for me, even though I bought the book in advance and would have loved to thank Gov. Perry for writing it, and even though my daugher is a card-carrying Liberal who had just early-voted in the Democratic Primary that very day!


27 posted on 02/28/2008 1:07:30 PM PST by fgoodwin (Fundamentalist, right-wing nut and proud father of a Life Scout!)
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To: RonF; AppauledAtAppeasementConservat; Looking for Diogenes; Congressman Billybob; Pan_Yans Wife; ...

28 posted on 02/28/2008 3:24:31 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

Thanks for the ping - I’ll get this book for the husband and sons!


29 posted on 02/28/2008 3:37:29 PM PST by Tax-chick (If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't shoot! It might be a lemur!)
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To: fgoodwin

The only good Slimes reporter is a dead slimes reporter.


30 posted on 02/28/2008 3:51:04 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: weegee; Jeff Head; wardaddy; hiredhand

Vegetarian......Navajo for piss poor hunter !

Just my opinion of course but......show me a real true vegetarian and I will show you a grey pale unhealthy woman. Show me a male vegetarian and I will show ya a guy looking to get laid by a female vegetarian. Same guy that will sneak too the drive up at the local burger joint to and from home !

Perry’s interview is impressive regarding the BSA. I am an Eagle Scout as well, May of 70. Best thing that could have ever happened too me as a youngster. Skills taught, learned, experienced and observed carried me through life


31 posted on 02/28/2008 4:06:40 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: nmh
You just know the guys at the NYT want to get out there camping with young boys ~ the interviewer self-identified his ambitions in that regard.

Perry should have cold-cocked the puke for trying to rope him into that sort of stuff.

32 posted on 02/28/2008 5:05:39 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: DKM

In case you missed it.


33 posted on 02/28/2008 5:11:57 PM PST by j_tull (Massachusetts, the Gay State. Once leader of the American Revolution, now leading its demise.)
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To: muawiyah
The executives at the NYT are a bunch of homosexuals. The same is true of the magazine, Scientific American - homosexuals took it over and it’s now more of a LEFTIST propaganda rag.
34 posted on 02/28/2008 7:18:53 PM PST by nmh (Mike Huckabee the "religious" humanist that pushes socialism! (Clinton/Carter combo))
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To: muawiyah
The executives at the NYT are a bunch of homosexuals. The same is true of the magazine, Scientific American - homosexuals took it over and it’s now more of a LEFTIST propaganda rag.
35 posted on 02/28/2008 7:19:07 PM PST by nmh (Mike Huckabee the "religious" humanist that pushes socialism! (Clinton/Carter combo))
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To: IowaHawk; aculeus; Billthedrill; AnAmericanMother; Congressman Billybob; JohnHuang2
Q: It’s a shame the Scouts are alienating so many American kids when they could be a force for equality and civic unity. What about the Boy Scout merit badges? Do they ever update them?

NYT self-parody alert.

36 posted on 02/28/2008 8:30:35 PM PST by dighton
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To: Squantos
. . . show me a real true vegetarian and I will show you a grey pale unhealthy woman.

True story. When I was a kid back in the 60s, there was a family in our carpool who were sandal-wearing, shaggy-haired vegetarians. We didn't call 'em hippies, that term didn't really have currency yet, but they were scruffier than beatniks - and not as cool either.

Anyhow, they MADE their two kids (who were my age - early elementary school) be vegetarians too. Those were the sickliest, thinnest, palest kids you ever saw. Every bug going around school, they caught it and were sick for ages. They just hung around on the playground, didn't run and wrestle with everybody else.

Another kid in our carpool was our pediatrician's daughter. Pediatrician was a good friend of my parents, and he agonized with them over whether he should speak to the vegetarian loony-tunes about how they were ruining their children's health. Don't know what ever happened, that was above my pay grade.

37 posted on 02/29/2008 5:09:04 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: fgoodwin
Which has been fighting the A.C.L.U., to keep gays out of the scouts. Why do you see that as a worthy cause?

I was just looking at the hundred-plus merit badges online and was surprised that the Boy Scouts haven’t introduced more relevant projects than coin collecting.

I know they have a dog-care merit badge, but why not a child-care badge?

How about a merit badge in vegetarianism?

And instead of a shotgun-shooting merit badge, how about a gun-control badge?




What a repulsive loser.
38 posted on 02/29/2008 5:19:53 AM PST by Vision ("If God so clothes the grass of the field...will He not much more clothe you...?" -Matthew 6:30)
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To: dighton; IowaHawk; Billthedrill; AnAmericanMother; Congressman Billybob; JohnHuang2
NYT self-parody alert.

How long before we need a death watch thread?

39 posted on 02/29/2008 6:54:47 AM PST by aculeus
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To: muawiyah

Homosexuals LOVE innocene.

Just like heterosexual males - they too like INNOCENCE and “untouched females”. So homosexuals like “untouched males”. Some draw boundaries on age and some don’t. The same is true of heterosexual males. Homosexuals by percentage, have less problems raping or indulging with minors than heterosexual males - by percentage within their segment of the population.


40 posted on 02/29/2008 7:01:29 AM PST by nmh (Mike Huckabee the "religious" humanist that pushes socialism! (Clinton/Carter combo))
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To: fgoodwin
Q: It’s a shame the Scouts are alienating so many American kids when they could be a force for equality and civic unity.

On what basis do you think that the BSA is alienating American kids?

What about the Boy Scout merit badges? Do they ever update them?

The requirements for every merit badge have been reviewed and revised over the last 5 years. Proposals for new merit badges are constantly being received and reviewed. Note that most new ones like Cinematography come from people or groups that propose them and support them. If you have a suggestion for a new MB, by all means send it to the BSA's National Council office in Irving, Texas and it'll be considered.

Q: I was just looking at the hundred-plus merit badges online and was surprised that the Boy Scouts haven’t introduced more relevant projects than coin collecting.

Relevant to what? Your political agenda? Your own personal interests?

There are merit badges for a wide variety of interests; athletics, arts, sciences, etc. Lots of people like to collect things, so there are a couple of merit badges for that. Coin Collecting is relevant to people who would like to know more about coin collecting. Cinematography is relevant to people who would like to know more about making films. Climbing is relevant to people who would like to find out what rock climbing is all about. Small Boat Sailing is relevant to people who would like to learn to sail a boat.

Q: I know they have a dog-care merit badge, but why not a child-care badge?

All Scouts who wish to earn the Eagle rank must earn Family Life, where such topics are covered.

Q: How about a merit badge in vegetarianism?

Perhaps no one has proposed one. The BSA does have Cooking merit badge, which is very popular. Perhaps a vegetarian advocacy group would like to propose a vegetarian option for it.

Q; And instead of a shotgun-shooting merit badge, how about a gun-control badge?

Here I cannot improve on the up-thread comment, "That IS a gun control merit badge." It is not the intent of merit badges to promote a political viewpoint or to get involved in political controversies.

41 posted on 02/29/2008 7:10:06 AM PST by RonF
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Q; And instead of a shotgun-shooting merit badge, how about a gun-control badge?

First; why a gun-control badge instead of Shotgun Shooting? Why would you make a substitution?

Second, Rifle Shooting and Shotgun Shooting are skills that are useful for recreation, obtaining food and for defending one's self and one's family. Such skills are very useful and are enjoyed by millions of Americans. The badge stresses safety very heavily. A gun-control merit badge would teach no skills and would promote a particular political agenda that is highly unpopular with a large number of Americans. What would be the point of that?

42 posted on 02/29/2008 7:17:33 AM PST by RonF
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