Posted on 04/27/2008 6:07:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
“It just evolved out of chemicals???”
No, if these existed at the beginning of the Cambrian, which was 1/2 billion years ago, then it followed two or three billion years of previous evolution which may have begun with organic chemicals.
Yet somehow you seem entirely oblivious to the simple fact that neither supposes that Adam was the first animal.
Both teach that life started from the Oceans. “And God commanded the Oceans to bring forth life”.
So it seems you know very little about either Science or the Bible.
Well at least this time they're changing the theory to match the evidense instead of the standard of changing the facts to fit their theory. Either way gives them a false positive for their theory but is does bring in those tax payer bucks.
“He formed Adam from the dirt with His hands...Eve was taken from Adam’s flesh.
Actually, if you read Genesis carefully you will find there are two versions of the creation of Adam and Eve. Can’t locate my bible right know or I would quote exactly. At any rate, in the first version God creats Adam and Eve from the dust or earth. In the second version God creats Adam from the earth, and then takes a rib from his side to create Eve. I have no idea which version might be the correct one and I assume no one else does either. This is not the only place where there are more than ONE version of the absolute TRUTH in the Bible. If more people actually read the Bible, there would be less absolute belief.
I’ts that ol’ 6 day thing that captures me. ;-) Gee, I would guess that my bible knowledge is wanting …
Christians who value the Bible as God's Word for us start with the premise that God cannot lie much less lie to us. Then, realizing we don't know precisely how the Bible is all true is easier to accept without generating doubt when confused.
“And God commanded the Oceans to bring forth life”
If this is a correct translation, then it has very interesting implications. It was, just as science says, the Oceans (filled with complex organic chemicals) that brought forth life. God gave the command, but Ocean did the work, kind of like the Army. Maybe the command was a very large lightening bolt, or two, or many into the primordial organic soup.
Jelly good fellows stinging the praises of God.
The Bible says that God created our Sun and the stars. We look out into the universe and see that Stars are in the process of being created by gravity and nuclear fusion; this in now way entails that God is not creating THESE stars as well.
The “command” that God gave the Oceans needn’t be any more mystical than the means used to create the stars.
At the end of the section on "rendevous 27" where flatworms diverge from the line ancestral to all familar animals, including insects etc. He remarks that the order of the next few rendevous is uncertain - "All this will be resolved definitively when more molecular data become available. This will be soon but, I fear, not soon enough for this book." ( 2004 ) He goes on, "Be warned that Rendevous 28 and 29, as well as 30 and 31, could turn out to be in the wrong order."
Well, 29 are the Ctenophores, and 31 are the sponges, so the re-ordering was slightly more radical than he warned of, but really! I think you have to remember what is being averred. It is not that the Ctentophores were created before the sponges! It is that their common ancestor with e.g. sea squirts is older than the common ancestor of sea squirts with sponges. Note that this was a split, and the other branch, the "main trunk" comprised a group of living animals as well.
No doubt it's all very interesting and obviously surprising to the cognesceti, but I don't see any reason for hysteria. If you think of the sponges as the main branch, then ctenophores branched from it, followed by a branch which was the progenitor of jellyfish, coral, sea squirts, and everything else, and the proliferation of this branch crowded out any new branches from the sponge line.
BTW, I bought this book after I saw Dawkins in Expelled, which renewed my interest in theories of the origin of life.
I've been pointing this out lately in a few different threads. Note that fowl are brought forth from the waters along with great whales and "every living thing that moveth" on day 5.
"Fish gotta swim and birds gotta fly ... I think that's interesting, don't you?"
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Interesting graphic potlatch!
Yep, but we still have that ol’s six day thingy to worry about. God created everything, as we know it, in six days. Believe it or not … your choice. As for me, I will go with the six days. Call it faith or whatever, there it is. ;-)
That is supposed to be a picture of a ‘sunspot’. Then I put a 5 frame strange gif on it called a visuanim.gif.
I was hunting for that strange ‘webby’ gif I have that moves but can’t locate it in my 12 thousand!!
I'm afraid it is only a small sub-sect of Christianity that holds its fingers in its ears and goes “nah nah nah, can't hear any evidence that would contradict my interpretation, even if God had to lie (such as starlight from a star that would have never actually existed) to make it only six thousand years old.”
Genesis 1:20
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that has life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
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