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Shock: First Animal on Earth Was Surprisingly Complex
Yahoo! ^ | Thursday, April 10, 2008 | LiveScience

Posted on 04/27/2008 6:07:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Earth's first animal was the ocean-drifting comb jelly, not the simple sponge, according to a new find that has shocked scientists who didn't imagine the earliest critter could be so complex... scientists analyzed massive volumes of genetic data to define the earliest splits at the base of the animal tree of life... The new study surprisingly found that the comb jelly was the first animal to diverge from the base of the tree, not the less complex sponge, which had previously been given the honor... Unlike sponges, comb jellies have connective tissues and a nervous system, and so are more complex. Though squishy and tentacled, they are not, however, true jellyfish as they lack the classic bell-shaped body and characteristic stinging cells. The finding was unexpected because evolutionary biologists had thought that less complex animals split off and evolved separately first... "evolution is not necessarily just a march towards increased complexity," Dunn said.

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1 posted on 04/27/2008 6:07:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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Early life on Earth - no predators, plenty of sex
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2 posted on 04/27/2008 6:07:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_____________________Profile updated Saturday, March 29, 2008)
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3 posted on 04/27/2008 6:09:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_____________________Profile updated Saturday, March 29, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv
It just evolved out of chemicals???
4 posted on 04/27/2008 6:14:11 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: doc1019

Yes, I would consider Adam a complex entity. ;-)


5 posted on 04/27/2008 6:14:16 PM PDT by doc1019 (Acts 16:31, Romans 10:13 ... nuff said.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Earth's first animal was the ocean-drifting comb jelly, not the simple sponge, according to a new find that has shocked scientists who didn't imagine the earliest critter could be so complex...

Said one scientist, "It's weird, it's like someone made it that way."

6 posted on 04/27/2008 6:14:20 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (This is an Obama-nation!)
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To: SunkenCiv
And so the theory of evolution changes once again. Ho Hum. boring.

What really happend: In six days the LORD GOD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day!

7 posted on 04/27/2008 6:17:17 PM PDT by deuteronlmy232 (So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him...)
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To: deuteronlmy232

Apparently lots, and lots and lots and yet lots of stuff happened in those first few days of creation. Genesis 1:1 and following. ;-)


8 posted on 04/27/2008 6:27:01 PM PDT by doc1019 (Acts 16:31, Romans 10:13 ... nuff said.)
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To: deuteronlmy232
And so the theory of evolution changes once again. Ho Hum. boring. What really happend: In six days the LORD GOD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day!

And Peter says that a day with the LORD is as a thousand years ... so after the LORD GOD rested a thousand years... He made the Adam and Eve... and their farm animals, which the Adam named. The earth would have been fairly well populated after 2000 years of the 6th day creation replenishing this earth.

9 posted on 04/27/2008 6:33:59 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: SunkenCiv

OH my!

More complexities.....

How could it be?

Before this is new “discovery” is tossed aside....let those who would say - complexity does not disprove evolution....please note this is a “shock” to the evolutionists.....finding this more complex animal branching off....first....total shock.

Had they been following the discoveries of recent years .....it would not have been a “shock” at all. Oh but all those discoveries were in the “banned” category. Too bad. Maybe this shock will spur some more investigations in to the fallacy that complexity was not there at the very beginning of creation....which even more significantly indicates a CREATOR being necessary to START this process....from the very beginning....(but this is not an endorsement of theistic evolution...noter topic for another day).

From the article:
“Earth’s first animal was the ocean-drifting comb jelly, not the simple sponge, according to a new find that has shocked scientists who didn’t imagine the earliest critter could be so complex... scientists analyzed massive volumes of genetic data to define the earliest splits at the base of the animal tree of life... The new study surprisingly found that the comb jelly was the first animal to diverge from the base of the tree, not the less complex sponge, which had previously been given the honor...”


10 posted on 04/27/2008 6:37:21 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: SunkenCiv

Is it related to the ooze that Q almost destroyed with an expanding time-space anomaly?


11 posted on 04/27/2008 6:41:29 PM PDT by abishai
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To: SunkenCiv
"evolution is not necessarily just a march towards increased complexity," Dunn said.

I think if it goes the other way they call it "devolution".

And anybody watching humanity would have to agree we are going the wrong way.

12 posted on 04/27/2008 6:44:04 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SunkenCiv
"Jellyfish disinformation."

13 posted on 04/27/2008 6:48:02 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: abishai

:’)

“You change the gravitational constant of the universe.” “How?” “You just *do it*.”


14 posted on 04/27/2008 6:48:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_____________________Profile updated Saturday, March 29, 2008)
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To: 2banana
st evolved out of chemicals???

No it came from the tree root if I read this right :-)
15 posted on 04/27/2008 6:50:33 PM PDT by festus (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: deuteronlmy232
And so the theory of evolution changes once again. Ho Hum. boring.

Yeah, those pesky biologists, reviewing and revising their theories in the light of new facts and findings...

Oh wait, that's how science works. You pose a question, you set up some hypotheses, you do a bit of research to test them, you review/revise and you do some more tests, eventually moving to the next question. Its been a pretty successful system of inquiry for mankind so far. A bit more useful than saying some god caused it anyway.

16 posted on 04/27/2008 6:54:50 PM PDT by Youngblood
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To: SunkenCiv

Its supposed to be established fact and yet time after time some new study radically changes the facts. Amazing what you can figure out if you stack enough assumptions together.


17 posted on 04/27/2008 7:02:57 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: deuteronlmy232
What really happend: In six days the LORD GOD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day!

Or a great serpent Tiamat split in two. Your myth is no more convincing than any other.

18 posted on 04/27/2008 7:03:04 PM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: Youngblood

“Its been a pretty successful system of inquiry for mankind so far.”

Its been useful in many ways.

“A bit more useful than saying some god caused it anyway. “

some god? Or one God? It takes a lot less faith to believe in God than a bunch of grant chasing closed minded ‘scientists’.


19 posted on 04/27/2008 7:05:54 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Soliton

“Your myth is no more convincing than any other. “

Its not myth and its a lot more convincing than some person who is so egotistical as to think they can understand and define how the universe was created.


20 posted on 04/27/2008 7:07:53 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: doc1019
Yes, I would consider Adam a complex entity. ;-)

Adam was the last of God's creations.

Sea creatures were the first animals according to Genesis 1:20.

20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky."

21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

21 posted on 04/27/2008 7:11:40 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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The new study surprisingly found that the comb jelly was the first animal to diverge from the base of the tree, not the less complex sponge

Comb jelly? Honeycomb! I mean, Horsefeathers! What a hive mind. I'd bee in a jam if this was the best I could do to brush away competing theories. Some of us actually work and don't sponge off taxpayers by publishing such calumnies.




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22 posted on 04/27/2008 7:17:31 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Grizzled Bear

“Adam was the last of God’s creations.”

I thought Eve was.


23 posted on 04/27/2008 7:23:53 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver

you offer no evidence beyond the authority of an old book that doesn’t even mention that germs cause disease.


24 posted on 04/27/2008 7:24:02 PM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: SunkenCiv

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25 posted on 04/27/2008 7:25:06 PM PDT by TexasNative2000 (Is this tagline governed by McCain-Feingold?)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
Ancient comb jelly-
26 posted on 04/27/2008 7:27:41 PM PDT by mikrofon
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To: driftdiver
I guess it depends on your perspective.

God spoke everything but Adam into existence. He formed Adam from the dirt with His hands and breathed His breath into Adam's nostrils. Eve was taken from Adam's flesh. I'm not sure about Adam but Eve was not exactly "created."

27 posted on 04/27/2008 7:28:37 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: SunkenCiv
We might have learned something new we didn't know before.

It contradicts what we thought we knew before.

It probably happened yesterday, too.

It could very well happen again tomorrow.

Maybe to this.

28 posted on 04/27/2008 7:33:19 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Soliton; driftdiver; neverdem
the authority of an old book that doesn’t even mention that germs cause disease.

There is a passage in the Old Testament that promised the Israelites that if they abstained from eating swine, etc. etc. they would have NONE OF THESE DISEASES suffered by neighboring pagans.

There is a book by the title as well. I encourage you to get better acquainted with that Old Book, and especially its Author. (Free Bonus: In Job and in Proverbs are references to the earth being sperical.)
29 posted on 04/27/2008 7:33:34 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Soliton

“you offer no evidence beyond the authority of an old book that doesn’t even mention that germs cause disease.”

There is a good joke about the typical evolutionary scientist. They studied hard and finally felt they could create life so they challenged God. Telling him they were as powerful as he and could create life out of dirt. So God told the scientist to show him.

The scientist picked up a handful and dirt and proceeded with his process. God stopped him and said “get your own dirt”.

The point is the universe is more complex than we can imagine. Yet we believe some scientist who gets lost driving across town when they say they understand it all. Hogwash.


30 posted on 04/27/2008 7:35:10 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: mikrofon

I just spoke with the sponge. He’s ok with it.

The comb jelly is really happy to have found such a prominent place in mans understanding of science 2008.

But somehow I think the sponge isn’t revealing all of his inner feelings about this experience, but I’m glad at least publicly he is able to let comb jelly have his day in the sun.


31 posted on 04/27/2008 7:36:10 PM PDT by shineon
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To: 2banana

No, the first “animal” evolved from life that was not an animal.


32 posted on 04/27/2008 7:37:46 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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33 posted on 04/27/2008 7:38:54 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Out of curiosity, how do they know what the first animal was?


34 posted on 04/27/2008 7:39:37 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: shineon

I think what might be troubling him is the part about the “simple sponge”.

Since when was he relegated to being plain old “simple”?


35 posted on 04/27/2008 7:39:49 PM PDT by shineon
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To: SunkenCiv

Why didn’t all monkeys evolve into human beings?

Answer:
Obviously, some of those monkeys didn’t read Darwin’s book.


36 posted on 04/27/2008 7:40:16 PM PDT by Know et al (Everything I know I read in the newspaper and that's the reason for my ignorance. Will Rogers)
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To: Soliton

>> you offer no evidence beyond the authority of an old book that doesn’t even mention that germs cause disease.

Look up the definition of “disease”.

Germs are not the only cause of human dis-ease (or “disease”, if you prefer), by a LONG shot.

And that only touches on physical disease. Spiritual disease is yet another matter, and even more important.


37 posted on 04/27/2008 7:40:52 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (I'm not voting FOR John McCain -- I'm voting AGAINST Hillary/Obama)
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To: shineon

And once this first honor was bestowed, who has the authority to take it away, just like that?


38 posted on 04/27/2008 7:42:12 PM PDT by shineon
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To: Grizzled Bear

‘I guess it depends on your perspective.” I don’t really have a perspective, I just read whats in the bible.

Genesis 1;27 NIV
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him;male and female he created them.

2;19 But for Adam [g] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs [h] and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib [i] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

“I’m not sure about Adam but Eve was not exactly “created.””

She didn’t exist, God did something, then she did exist. Sounds like God created Eve to me.

Perhaps Eve was a rogue evolutionists lab experiment gone awry? /sarc


39 posted on 04/27/2008 7:43:24 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: shineon

I’ll be talking to sponge again soon. Hopefully I’ll be able to calm him back down. But I won’t be mentioning comb jelly to him anytime soon.


40 posted on 04/27/2008 7:43:41 PM PDT by shineon
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To: driftdiver
She didn’t exist, God did something, then she did exist. Sounds like God created Eve to me.

You still must discern what you read. However the material was there. God just reconfigured it to make Eve.

The real question is, did Adam say "God, I've still got some more ribs if you aren't too busy..."

41 posted on 04/27/2008 7:46:28 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: LiteKeeper

“Out of curiosity, how do they know what the first animal was?”

Because they think they understand genetics and can trace back through a gazillion years of DNA with their fancy new Mac.


42 posted on 04/27/2008 7:47:33 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Grizzled Bear

” You still must discern what you read. However the material was there. God just reconfigured it to make Eve.”

Now you’re creating things. The Bible says God made Eve. By your reasoning Adam wasn’t created either. God just reconfigured material he had created for the universe.

“The real question is, did Adam say “God, I’ve still got some more ribs if you aren’t too busy...” “

hmmm, don’t recall that line in there anywhere. It says God saw Adam needed a helper so he made one.


43 posted on 04/27/2008 7:50:59 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Soliton; tiamat
Or a great serpent Tiamat split in two. Your myth is no more convincing than any other.

Tiamat, what sayest thou?

44 posted on 04/27/2008 7:51:08 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: shineon

Funny, I was just thinking about comb jellies the other day. I couldn’t get them out of my mind. Now I know why. They are currently being thought of as the first animals who lived on this planet! Imagine that. I knew there was something special about comb jellies.


45 posted on 04/27/2008 7:51:39 PM PDT by shineon
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To: shineon

I just couldn’t put my finger on it.


46 posted on 04/27/2008 7:52:38 PM PDT by shineon
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To: driftdiver
It says God saw Adam needed a helper so he made one.

I know. You're no fun.

47 posted on 04/27/2008 7:54:06 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: driftdiver
LOUDER...they think they understand genetics and can trace back through a gazillion years of DNA with their fancy new Mac
48 posted on 04/27/2008 7:55:00 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Grizzled Bear
I know. You're no fun

Sorry, I just try to be as accurate as possible on evo threads because there are so many folks who don't know better.

49 posted on 04/27/2008 7:57:13 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver

S’Truth.


50 posted on 04/27/2008 7:58:25 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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