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Two-year-old Ali Hussein is pulled from the rubble of his family's home
Associated Press ^ | April 29, 2008 | ASSociated Press

Posted on 05/01/2008 9:22:51 AM PDT by hadit2here

Two-year-old Ali Hussein is pulled from the rubble of his family's home in the Shiite stronghold of Sadr City in Baghdad, Iraq on Tuesday, April 29, 2008. The child, who later died in hospital, was in one of four homes allegedly destroyed by U.S. missiles. More than two dozen people were killed when Shiite militants ambushed a U.S. patrol in Baghdad's embattled Sadr City district, bringing the death toll in area on Tuesday to more than 30, a U.S. military spokesman and Iraqi officials said. (AP Photo/Karim Kadim)

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Reference; Society
KEYWORDS: ap; fauxtography; karimkadim; staged; terroristenablers
I'm not usually a tin-foiler, but seeing an article in our leftist snooze paper authored by the AP, with an accompanying photo of a dirty rubble covered child being pulled out of the rubble by pristinely clean clothed males, with white, pristine clean child's pillows and blankets artfully arranged to fit into the picture, made me think back to the many staged fauxtographs the AP and AFP have put out in the past.

The accompanying article was the standard biased, anti-US military krap, so I checked the name of the photographer- Karim Kadim. Then I did a quick search for him plus "Associated Press". The result was quite interesting. According to AP.org itself: "Besides Mohammed, the AP team included four other Iraqi photographers — Bilal Hussein, Karim Kadim, Samir Mizban and Mohammed Uraibi." This Kadim guy sure has a knack for being at all the right places when the "poor, innocent" civilians are killed or injured by the big bad US military.

Bilal Hussein?? Isn't he the guy who's been the guest of the US military for two years for his connections to the terrorists? Oooops, alleged connections.

Anyway, I just wanted to bring this latest excursion into anti-US/anti-military by the AP to light and for future reference. Anyone care to do some "analysis" of the fauxtographs?

1 posted on 05/01/2008 9:22:52 AM PDT by hadit2here
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To: hadit2here

It’s like ‘Where’s Waldo’, blue-helmet guy style...


2 posted on 05/01/2008 9:30:04 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Kill them with kindness, then taser them for fun.)
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To: hadit2here

Yeah, it’s a green helmet guy kind of picture. Do you notice the interesting camera angle and the dramatic holding the child aloft? If the photographer had been at ground level, it wouldn’t have been nearly as impactful. I wonder how many takes the picture took to get it right.


3 posted on 05/01/2008 9:31:06 AM PDT by Soliton
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To: hadit2here

Yeah, it’s a green helmet guy kind of picture. Do you notice the interesting camera angle and the dramatic holding the child aloft? If the photographer had been at ground level, it wouldn’t have been nearly as impactful. I wonder how many takes the picture took to get it right.


4 posted on 05/01/2008 9:31:15 AM PDT by Soliton
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To: hadit2here

Notice that virtually all of the “rescuers” are not even covered in dust, let alone covered with “rubble” as they would have to have been to “dig out” the dirt and rubble covered child. Jeez, I wish I could stay this clean just working around the house.

What’s the guy in (clean) blue coveralls in the left foregound pointing to- best camera angle?? Is he the local substitute for the GreenHelmetGuy who did so well in this role in Lebanon?

The guy with the backpack and the one holding the child- both have white shirts, which are so very clean and bright. They could be used in an ad for a laundry detergent.

And the guy in back in black with the face covering- black shows light dust and dirt very easily, yet here he is in the hole of a blown up building, looking like he too could be in the detergent ad.

Maybe you all have more to add after seeing some of the photo series at the link. It just seem so... ummmm, “contrived” and “staged” to me. Not that I don’t believe that there were casualties and great damage. But again we see the AP staging photo ops to make the US and the military look the worst possible- killing civiian children.


5 posted on 05/01/2008 9:31:48 AM PDT by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: hadit2here
This photo and story was also on ABC News last evening. So when are the residents going to kick out the bad guys? Or when are the bad guys going to move their ambushes to non-populated areas?

Or, we could talk about French civilian casualties on D-Day......or,.....

6 posted on 05/01/2008 9:36:05 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet (There's Always Something.............And there's always something worse!)
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To: hadit2here

The parents are to blame. They are asses to be involved in terrorist activities with a child at home. But it seems these brave islamic (allah ate pork) terrorists love to hide behind children and women.


7 posted on 05/01/2008 9:38:21 AM PDT by coon2000
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To: hadit2here

I wish it were fake. I hope this little boy is alive and well, but I doubt it. This is what happens in war. If someone were to fake this photo, I doubt they would’ve photoshopped a pink, ruffled pillow into it. It looks real to me. JMO.

The real question is: Was this home really destroyed by U.S. missiles?


8 posted on 05/01/2008 9:39:29 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Soliton

It’s really interesting to do a search on Scroogle for “Karim Kadim” and Associated Press, and see the list of pictures ol’ Kadim was able to get of just about every “civilian” injured or killed in the Sadr city fighting. Boy, is he ever good! He and his comrades have such perfect timing and capabilities that they are in the right place at exactly the right time, all the time. I’ll bet Michael Yon would give his flak vest for that kinda good fortune, and knowing exactly where to be at what time to get the Pulitzer Prize winning pictures.

Oh, that’s right, Yon’s on the wrong side. He’d never even be considered for the leftist PP. Only good socialists/liberals/muslims/”freedom fighters” need apply.


9 posted on 05/01/2008 9:40:32 AM PDT by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: hadit2here

Where’s Green Helmet Guy (GHG)?


10 posted on 05/01/2008 9:41:08 AM PDT by MortMan (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: hadit2here
More than two dozen people were killed when Shiite militants ambushed a U.S. patrol

Tough Shiite.

11 posted on 05/01/2008 9:49:24 AM PDT by JoeGar
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To: Tired of Taxes

Did you even go to the link and read the information there?? “The child, who later died at the hospital, was in one of four homes destroyed by U.S. missiles.”

I’m not saying the photo is photoshopped, but I am wondering if it is “staged”. Do a search on FR for “Green Helmet Guy” and go read a little about the fauxtography the AP and AFP has used to put the US, Israel and the military in the worst possible light.

I don’t doubt the building was destroyed by a missile, or that the child was killed. I am pointing out that every one of the so-called “rescuers” clothes are clean and dust/dirt free. How many times have you seen that in a picture of an “actual” rescue. Believe me, I spent years in EMS and have done my share of “rescues” and extractions- your clothes (and skin) aren’t clean for more than about 5 seconds.

I didn’t claim that the “pink, ruffled pillow” was photoshopped into the pic. But I do feel that everything put together says this picture was “staged” for the camera(s), based upon past work by AP, AFP and the Iraqi photographers they employ.

Do a little research. You’ll see what I mean.


12 posted on 05/01/2008 9:50:51 AM PDT by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: hadit2here

I wish I could remember how to post pictures. i found one by the same photographer showing a kid on a clinic table being treated for a horrible stomach wound. The kid is smiling happily to get his picture taken


13 posted on 05/01/2008 9:54:04 AM PDT by Soliton
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To: Tired of Taxes
If someone were to fake this photo, I doubt they would’ve photoshopped a pink, ruffled pillow into it. It looks real to me. JMO.

Is it customary for rescue workers to lift a victim limp body high over their heads for better media exposure?

A real rescue team will strap a victim to an immobilizng board to prevent spinal cord injury.

14 posted on 05/01/2008 9:55:21 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: hadit2here

Fauxtography alert!!! Or maybe we used on of those clean bombs, or the pillows were just Scotchguarded or something.


15 posted on 05/01/2008 10:07:29 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: Tired of Taxes

It’s not that the photo was doctored or that there wasn’t collateral damage, it is that the photo is obviously staged, as carefully as if it were for a magazine. For all we know, the child died the day before of disease and not in a missile attack. That is the kind of doubt such obvious staging imparts.


16 posted on 05/01/2008 10:11:50 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: hadit2here
Did you even go to the link and read the information there??

Yes, I DID go to the link and read the information. I also read the information you posted above. I see now that you added the word allegedly:

The child, who later died in hospital, was in one of four homes allegedly destroyed by U.S. missiles.

Remember the Iraqi boy who lost his arms and his parents in a bombing blamed on the U.S.? There was question at the time as to whether the U.S. had even bombed that particular site. So, I think we need to ask whether or not the U.S. really did bomb this particular site. If so, the Shiite ambush is to blame because our military was only responding.

Do a search on FR for “Green Helmet Guy” and go read a little about the fauxtography the AP and AFP has used to put the US, Israel and the military in the worst possible light.

I don't have to do that. I was here the day that discussion started, and I followed it then. Your questions should be asked, and the point about the source (the photographer's name) and his biases should be made. But you asked for opinions. Well, I gave mine. It doesn't look fake to me. But I don't know. Maybe you'll prove that it is. I'll be interested to find out.

17 posted on 05/01/2008 10:21:06 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: NonValueAdded; Alouette

See post 17 above. I gave my opinion. The photo doesn’t look fake to me. Did the rescue workers lift the body higher for a better shot? I don’t know. Possibly.

To me, the real question is, as I asked before, was this child really killed by a U.S. missile attack? The way the photo is set up isn’t what makes me suspicious. What makes me suspicious are the other distortions of truth continuously put out there by our enemies.

But, keep investigating the photo. I’ll be interested to see what everyone comes up with.


18 posted on 05/01/2008 10:28:16 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Alouette
Is it customary for rescue workers to lift a victim limp body high over their heads for better media exposure?

That's culturally insensitive. It's traditional for Arabs to do the crowd-surfing thing with corpses... in the box or out.

19 posted on 05/01/2008 10:33:02 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Play that Funky Music Typical White Boy!)
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To: hadit2here
Similar green helmet guy picture. img src= < http://zombietime.com/reuters_photo_fraud/Reuters_Qana_02.jpg >
20 posted on 05/01/2008 10:36:01 AM PDT by Soliton
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To: hadit2here
All we are missing, is this guy:


21 posted on 05/01/2008 10:37:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Secondhand Aztlan Smoke causes drug addiction obesity in global warming cancer immigrant terrorists.)
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To: MortMan

In another view, we see some strong resemblances to the GHG (Green Helmet Guy) photos in Lebanon. Notice that the child's body is dirty and rubble covered, but the skin tone looks to be that of a corpse. Compare to the very clean skin of his "rescuer" who is holding him aloft. And notice how crisply clean the rescuer's nice white shirt is for being down in a rubble covered hole, scrabbling for bodies.

And note that neither of the two "rescuers" in this picture seem to have a hair out of place or a spec of the light colored dirt/dust in their black hair. My, I didn't realize how scrupulously clean those Shiite-heads were.

Supposedly, this child was still alive, as the caption states that he died later at the hospital. If he was actually alive when the picture was taken, I doubt the skin tone would be so deathly pallid. Maybe so, but I seem to remember GHG and descriptions of his refrigerated truck that seemed to arrive at every dead child's "rescue" from the rubble, and some stated that his refrigerated truck was used to bring bodies to the scene, not take them away. [sarc]But that couldn't be happening here, of course [/sarc]

I don't doubt that a child who is mortally wounded and in shock would have lost a lot of skin color, but notice there is no evidence of blood anywhere on the child. If he has been buried in the rubble, I would think that there would be a little bit of blood somewhere on the body. Couple that with the pallor of a corpse and who ya gonna believe- the AP or your lyin' eyes?

22 posted on 05/01/2008 10:38:40 AM PDT by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: Soliton

23 posted on 05/01/2008 10:40:39 AM PDT by Soliton
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To: Soliton

Good! Ya got it! Seems you and Laz have the same thoughts.


24 posted on 05/01/2008 10:47:38 AM PDT by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: hadit2here
This is by the same photog, Karim Kadeem
25 posted on 05/01/2008 10:48:30 AM PDT by Soliton
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To: Tired of Taxes


Here's another one from the same series, but now Kadim is at the hospital. This guy really gets around!

Notice how the child has absolutely no visible wounds or damage from being pulled from the rubble "in one of four homes allegedly destroyed by U.S. missiles.". No blood to be seen except a little bruising around the jaw line, yet still the deathly pallor, and fully clothed. Are the Iraqi medical facilities so behind the time that they don't even cut off (or remove) the clothes of a trauma victim in the hospital to ascertain the possibility or location of wounds? I know that as a paramedic, I did a LOT of cutting of clothes from trauma victims at the scene, just to make sure exactly what the injuries were and so that nothing was hidden from me. And they don't do this in the hospital there???

According to this other picture from the same series, they do seem to cut off the clothes of an injured victim:

So I guess what I'm sayin' is that the AP photos by Karim Kadim just don't pass the smell test. There are so many things that just don't add up and that all point to them being "staged" for the publicity. I wouldn't doubt at all that the child's body was brought to the scene, and the "rescue" was staged for Kadim, so the AP could provide the world with more anti-US fodder.

But then again, I'm just a former pro photographer, former Paramedic who wouldn't have any idea of how the real world, or at least the AP's world, is. Color me skeptical.

Oh, and by the way, I didn't add the "alleged" in any of my quotes from the AP captions. Those were the AP's words. Maybe they learned something from the GHG staged photos and captions and now are covering their butts with "allegedly's".

26 posted on 05/01/2008 11:10:23 AM PDT by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: hadit2here

Look at the kid in post 22 and post 25. It looks like they could be twins. Even the sandals look the same. Further, the kid in the coffin is wearing clean street clothes. Only martyrs are buried in the clothes they died in and if the consider him a martyr, he would still be further wrapped in a white cloth.

I”n preparation for burial, the family or other members of the community will wash and shroud the body. (If the deceased was killed as a martyr, this step is not performed; martyrs are buried in the clothes they died in.) The deceased will be washed respectfully, with clean and scented water, in a manner similar to how Muslims make ablutions for prayer. The body will then be wrapped in sheets of clean, white cloth (called the kafan).”


27 posted on 05/01/2008 11:11:21 AM PDT by Soliton
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To: hadit2here

Another one a little younger. Looks similar. Different name. Look how happy he seems

28 posted on 05/01/2008 11:16:25 AM PDT by Soliton
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To: Soliton
Notice the blood in the coffin in post 25. Blood on the right arm, possible pool of blood under the head and blood on the right leg extending up under the clothing. Blood on the stomach, extending up under the clothes. I don't think this is the same child.

The one in #22 has no blood or evidence of external wounds anywhere. The sandals are similar but don't seem to be the same color. The ones in #25 are bright, clean, new - even the soles are clean.

Is that blood on the fingertips of the hand holding the coffin lid?? Or just discoloration of some kind? There is blood on the child, but it seems to have been covered by the clothes, although the clothes don't seem to have blood soaked into them from the wounds. Interesting, no?

Do they actually just unceremoniously dump a child's body into a wooden casket and tack the lid on? No padding, no covering, no wraps? Just let the child rattle around in a big, ol' empty wooden box?

According to your descriptions, I would expect this child's body would be handled differently than just being dumped into an adult sized casket, still bloody but with new clean clothes and sandals on.

All I'm sayin' is that none of this passes the smell test for me.

29 posted on 05/01/2008 11:25:53 AM PDT by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: Lazamataz

Thanks, Laz. I was going to go dig (pun intended) those pix up for comparison, but you saved me the trouble. [grin]


30 posted on 05/01/2008 11:46:24 AM PDT by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: hadit2here

I hope you’re right that the scene is staged. Many prayers for this poor child. If he died from disease, his death is just as tragic.

As to the photo, allow me to play devil’s advocate for a moment because you’re going to hear these questions from the other side:

Why is it so hard to believe the photographer, Kadim, went to the hospital, too?

Maybe the child’s wounds just aren’t visible in that photo. And maybe he was declared dead right away before they cut away his clothing and checked for injury.

I can appreciate your experience as a paramedic, but maybe medical clinics in Iraq don’t hold to the same standards that you do here in the U.S.

I hope to find out I’m wrong and that these photos were faked. I would like to believe that this didn’t happen the way the photos suggest. I don’t see a way to prove it, though.


31 posted on 05/01/2008 12:13:57 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Soliton
Another one a little younger. Looks similar. Different name. Look how happy he seems

Ah, I'll give 'em a little benefit of a doubt and figure that it could be a grimace of pain by the kid that was caught by the still camera, and just looks like he's likin' it. Still...ya just gotta wonder about the AP.

The kid has what looks like abdominal adipose tissue protruding from his wound. I wouldn't expect such a young child to have a lot of adipose fat. If this is actual abdominal tissue exposed, shouldn't there be a LOT more bleeding associated with it? For exposed abdominal tissue that is protruding out of an abdominal wound? Does there seem to be a similar lack of blood on the bandages/cotton being used?

Again, ol' Kadim seems to have a real in with somebody to be able to get all these pictures, even in a hospital treatment room where they are treating a small child for a protruding abdominal wound, which would really require at least some attempt at a clean, sterile field and area. Which makes me note that none of the hands that are shown, even those holding the bandages/cotton are gloved up. Look at the GHG pix in yours and Laz's posts. Even in the GHG Lebanon photos, some of the rescue guys at the scene had latex gloves on, even the GHG in some photos.

Does anyone know if the hospital ER's in Baghdad are so impoverished, or the medical practitioners so ignorant of sterile procedure, that they don't at least require latex exam gloves to treat an abdominal wound with protruding tissue?

Then again, if I was a terrorist enabler working for the AP, trying to make the US and the US military look as bad as possible, I wouldn't hesitate to grab some young kid, put an ounce or two of hamburger on his stomach to look like a serious wound, then take all the pix I could. Then caption them to blame the US military for killing/wounding innocent children.

But a real, legit, reputable organization like the AP wouldn't stand for anything like that, would they? [/sarc]

32 posted on 05/01/2008 12:26:12 PM PDT by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: Soliton

That is not a smiling child. He is grimacing in pain and fear. Note the knotted forehead, the lower teeth exposed not the upper, the teeth clenched, the lips are stretched out but not upward, the cheeks are not raised to narrow the eyes as in a genuine smile.


33 posted on 05/01/2008 1:03:52 PM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Tired of Taxes
I hope you’re right that the scene is staged. Many prayers for this poor child. If he died from disease, his death is just as tragic.

I agree with all of that. But if his poor, lifeless corpse is being paraded around for the press to use as anti-US propaganda, that is the worst kind of tragic.

Why is it so hard to believe the photographer, Kadim, went to the hospital, too?

Isn't hard to believe at all. I don't doubt that he did. I'm just pointing out the discrepancies and the similarity to staged photos used before by the AP and by this same band of merry photographers, who "just happen" to be exactly on the scene at exactly the right time to get the perfect angle(s) and shots- all the time. It's almost like their scenes were staged so they could take the Pulitzer Prize winning pics. Exactly like they were staged!

Maybe the child’s wounds just aren’t visible in that photo. And maybe he was declared dead right away before they cut away his clothing and checked for injury.

Look at the series of photos. Read the captions that accompanies them. The caption writers have mostly the photographer's notes and descriptions, if not the exact captions, to use when publishing the photos. If they say that the child was pulled alive from the rubble, but died at the hospital an hour later, what else are we to go by? It's the AP's own words!

I can appreciate your experience as a paramedic, but maybe medical clinics in Iraq don’t hold to the same standards that you do here in the U.S.

I don't doubt at all that they may lack the standards of here in the US, but I've been out in the real world. I've pulled bodies out of mangled vehicles, handled gun shot/knife victims, pulled people living and dead out of a lot of different places. There are certain similarities in how bodies bleed, how wounds look, how clothing absorbs blood, how corpses look that are pretty much universal. There is a death pallor of a corpse and then there is the paleness of a living victim who is alive but in traumatic or hypovolemic shock. Trauma looks the same the world over. Once you've seen enough of it, it isn't hard to instantly recognize. Same thing with death.

No, I wouldn't hold a clinic in Iraq to the same standards as a trained EMS tech in the US. But removing clothes to look for compromising wounds on a dying child is clearly not a high standard to hold, nor a stretch of logic for most any medically trained person- even in a clinic in Iraq. Just think, you've got a child, supposedly just pulled from the rubble of a building, who is unconscious and near death. Wouldn't you look under the child's clothes to see if you could find out why? Crush injuries? Closed fractures? Wouldn't you at least remove the clothes to look for wounds? Maybe not. Not if the child was already a corpse and the whole thing was just being staged for the news cameras.

I hope to find out I’m wrong and that these photos were faked. I would like to believe that this didn’t happen the way the photos suggest. I don’t see a way to prove it, though.

I agree, I would love to believe that it didn't happen that way. And in order to "prove" that, you have to do a little objective analysis of what evidence you are given. We are given these photos with the captions that allegedly damn the US military and Iraq military for the "attacks" on "Shiite militants [who] ambushed a U.S. patrol", killing innocent civilians.

If the AP is going to produce these photos (and words) as true and valid documentation and description of the real world in Iraq, then we are fully entitled to scrutinize them in minute detail, and point out any discrepancies between how the real world works and what AP says and shows. I'm just doing my part in pointing out what strikes me, based upon MY real world experiences. And the AP's documented history of faking/staging photos and writing anti-US propaganda.

At this point, I'm more convinced that the little "two year old" was an already dead corpse that was trotted out by propagandists so that Kadim and friends could stage the photos and give the AP more anti-US fodder.

Yup, I'm that skeptical.

34 posted on 05/01/2008 1:13:48 PM PDT by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: VeritatisSplendor
Note the knotted forehead, the lower teeth exposed not the upper, the teeth clenched, the lips are stretched out but not upward, the cheeks are not raised to narrow the eyes as in a genuine smile.

All that in response to "say cheese"?

35 posted on 05/01/2008 1:41:39 PM PDT by Soliton
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To: hadit2here
But if his poor, lifeless corpse is being paraded around for the press to use as anti-US propaganda, that is the worst kind of tragic.

Agreed.

I'm just pointing out the discrepancies and the similarity to staged photos used before by the AP and by this same band of merry photographers, who "just happen" to be exactly on the scene at exactly the right time to get the perfect angle(s) and shots- all the time.

You're right, those points should raise suspicion.

Wouldn't you at least remove the clothes to look for wounds? Maybe not. Not if the child was already a corpse and the whole thing was just being staged for the news cameras.

OK, that's food for thought.

36 posted on 05/01/2008 6:57:45 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: VeritatisSplendor

I think you may be right. When I first saw it, I thought the boy in post #28 was giggling, smiling a happy smile. But, then I read your post and leaned my head to look at his face from a different angle, and his expression does look more like a grimace, or like he’s crying. The photo is almost like an optical illusion.


37 posted on 05/01/2008 7:26:37 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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