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1 posted on 05/30/2008 6:20:50 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: sushiman

I am not a Veterinarian, just a fellow animal lover- it might help if you post what your Vet actually said was wrong with your dog and the name of the medication you are to give him.

My thoughts are with you and your wife that things go well for your dog; they are a special part of our lives and I know how I feel when something is wrong with one of them.


2 posted on 05/30/2008 6:29:03 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: sushiman

I’m afraid I can’t offer any ideas or solutions, but I can and do wish the best of luck to both you and Toto. Good luck.


3 posted on 05/30/2008 6:29:15 PM PDT by CremeSaver
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I’m NOT a vet, but it could be a problem with the “inner” ear.

The Inner ear can affect balance: He may be getting dizzy.

The sound of the cap gun may have set it off.

As you know dogs hearing is very sensitive.

That’s my unprofessional opinion.

Good luck.


4 posted on 05/30/2008 6:30:08 PM PDT by STE=Q ("These are the times that try men's souls." -- Thomas Paine)
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I had a dog that acted in a similar way. After many different diagnosis it was finally diagnosed with having mini epileptic seizures.


5 posted on 05/30/2008 6:31:00 PM PDT by WackySam
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My cousin once had a German Shepard that would collapse if you scared him. Later diagnosed with epilepsy … more common in older dogs. Back in the day, nothing could be done, you just waited a few and he would get up and be back to normal.


7 posted on 05/30/2008 6:37:42 PM PDT by doc1019 (I was taught to respect my elders, but it's getting harder to find one.)
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Any chance of your dog getting chocolate ?


8 posted on 05/30/2008 6:37:53 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
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Ahhh, hope you find the cause and that your little buddie can be treated. Our Lab began to pant as he got older. Dr. Said it was becuase the air flow is more restricted at that age. :( Still miss him so much after all these years. Good luck.


9 posted on 05/30/2008 6:38:02 PM PDT by cubreporter
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I found this info that might help:

http://www.2ndchance.info/heart.htm


10 posted on 05/30/2008 6:41:20 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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One of our bulldogs had similar symptoms many years ago, but much more severe. He was having seizures, believed to have been brought on by a tic bite. I believe the treatment was steroids, but can’t be sure.


19 posted on 05/30/2008 6:48:37 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Leaving the top of my ballot blank.)
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Sorry to hear about yr little buddy. I do know there are several animal Docs on here. One is named 'Vetvet' or something like that. I tried to cc this to 'vetvet' and it didn't take. So you might try some variation. As to the others, I do not know their SN.
Good Luck
23 posted on 05/30/2008 6:51:39 PM PDT by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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Haven’t read through the replies yet, but what you described sounds like seizures.


26 posted on 05/30/2008 6:57:42 PM PDT by KJC1
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I’m not a vet, but a very experienced caretaker of ancient cats with multiple medical problems under the care of various veterinary ‘ologists. This does NOT sound like a heart problem. Any heart problem severe enough to cause sudden and total collapse and loss of consciousness, would not be followed by the animal being back to its usual perky self a minute later. As other posters have noted, this sounds like epilepsy. If it is epilepsy or any sort of seizure disorder, phenobarbitol is the usual first-try medication. I had a cat with a strange seizure disorder in old age — basically very frequent collapse with twitching for a few seconds, but no loss of consciousness and always fine after a few seconds. A tiny dose of phenobarbitol solved the problem and kept kitty seizure free for the last 4 of his 21 years.

This doesn’t mean that your dog doesn’t ALSO have a heart condition, and it’s possible the vet has prescribed an appropriate medication for whatever heart condition he detected. But no heart medication would be expected to stop seizures. I wouldn’t have a whole lot of faith in a vet who doesn’t recognize what you described as some type of seizure.


27 posted on 05/30/2008 6:59:25 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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Ping! FReeper needing veterinary advice for a dog in Japan.


28 posted on 05/30/2008 7:01:06 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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It's interesting because the symptoms you describe are somewhat similar to what my oldest son's cat has been experiencing. They also have three other cats, the youngest being a female that they found on the street and took to the animal shelter, and then adopted. The cat in question is 11 years old. During a routine vet visit, the doctor said he was concerned with the cat's weight loss, plus his heart beat was irregular. They did several tests on the cat, plus sent him to a vet who specializes in cardiology. Turns out the cat must have been exposed to a Corona virus at some point, and suffered damage to one of the valves in the heart.

They had him on one medication, but the doctor wasn't happy with how it was working. In the meantime, the cat began to have episodes where he passes out. He's out for 5-10 minutes at the most, but then when he comes out of it, he's his old self. These episodes seem to be preceded by coughing, as if the cat is trying to hack up a hairball. He's on a different medication, but has still experienced at least one or two of the passing-out episodes. The vet says it's obvious that his passing out is related to his heart problem, but they still haven't managed to find the right dosage to alleviate the problem, or regulate his heart rate.

Your dog could have a heart problem or may have developed something that would bring on a seizure or fainting. I'm surprised your vet didn't do any extensive tests on your dog, as my son's vet had the cat go through a battery of tests, x-rays, scans, etc. But then again, all vets are different in how they approach treatment.

29 posted on 05/30/2008 7:01:56 PM PDT by mass55th
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It sounds a little bit like a seizure to me. I'm not sure if a dog can only be epileptic if it's passed down from a parent at birth. Hopefully it's only an anxiety attack. A lot of dogs develop anxiety out of nowhere but it can be treated with Xanax. My friends 9 year old dog had severe anxiety attacks from the wood floors of their new house. He was fine once the vet prescribed him Xanax. Good Luck
30 posted on 05/30/2008 7:05:38 PM PDT by peeps36 (Politician = Corrupt Degenerate Loser = Ted, Nancy, Barry, Jack and Many More)
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Sorry to hear about your buddy. It might not pertain here but I’ve started my dogs on a raw diet 4 months ago and they’re thriving on it.My chihuahua had hot spots near his tail,hair missing, the whole nine yards. After one week on the raw diet they were completly gone! Raw meat, chicken,beef,fish and organ meat including bones ,just don’t cook the bones. Dogs are not meant to eat cereal ,they’re carnivores. Also doing research on over vaccination. You don’t get vaccinated every year why should your dogs. There are studies that say the one year rabies vaccine is good for 7 years, maybe longer.


35 posted on 05/30/2008 7:14:52 PM PDT by kickonly88
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I am also, not a vet. But I have seen a video that seems like what you describe. You'll have to check if the symptoms apply to your dog.

Maybe you've heard of the sleep disorder, narcolepsy? There's a famous video of a poodle with narcolepsy. You can watch it and see if it's similar to your dog.

Stanford Researchers Nab Gene For Narcolepsy in Dogs

The most dramatic symptom, however, is sudden episodes of muscle weakness known as cataplexy. The knees may buckle, the neck muscles may go slack, and in extreme cases the person may collapse to the floor completely paralyzed. Loss of muscle tone can last from a few seconds to several minutes. These abrupt attacks can occur at any time but are often triggered by strong emotions such as anger, joy or surprise. It's common for narcoleptics to have such an attack while laughing.

talkaboutsleep.com

Sporadic cases of narcolepsy in dogs is due to hypocretin peptide deficiency while the familial form is due to mutations in one of the two hypocretin receptor genes (hcrtr2). Various dogs are shown here in a clip narrated by Dr. Mignot.

stanford.edu

Seizures, Narcolepsy and REM

Narcolepsy is a disorder characterized by cataplexy, excessive sleepiness, and an abnormality in the phase of sleep called rapid eye movement (REM) sleep. In dogs, the most obvious sign is recurring cataleptic attacks. During a cataplectic attack, the dog suddenly collapses with paralysis of all muscles except for muscles that move the eyes and muscles responsible for breathing. The attacks are often provoked by excitement, such as feeding or play. They usually last only a few seconds, although severe episodes can last for several minutes.

During a cataplectic attack, the dog is usually conscious but unable to move. During a cataplectic attack the dog may enter REM sleep. Calling to the dog or touching the dog may terminate an attack.

canine-epilepsy.com

google.com=dogs+narcolepsy

I hope this helps you to solve your problem or rule it out. Good luck.

39 posted on 05/30/2008 7:18:57 PM PDT by Daaave
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I have a dog who has seizures - they are much like what you describe. Noise is major trigger for her. In fact, thunderstorms are the worst. I give her Phenobarb once daily and more when there are storms.


42 posted on 05/30/2008 7:26:59 PM PDT by drjulie
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My two cents worth. First, have a comprehensive profile done on Toto to rule out kidney, liver, pancreatic, Addisons' disease (a great imposter that has burned me on more than one occasion) and electrolyte imbalances. A CBC will tip one if the problem is infectious or possibly due to neoplastic origin. Second, have radiographs of the chest and the abdomen. This will help in the diagnosis of heart disease or neoplastic origin by evaluation of the heart, liver, spleen and sublumbar lymph nodes. In this case a radiographic series of the head may rule one toward infection of the tympanic bullae or a lesion in the naries. Thirdly, have a EKG run by a competent veterinary cardiologist or have the EKG sent telephonically to one. A conduction disturbance of the heart may be the primary cause and by the history would be my primary concern. This is why your dog has been put on enalapril...there is a new one called ventipulmin that may be more efficacious.. I have had dogs at referral practices wearing holter harnesses to identify conduction disturbances that led to syncope episodes. If all is negative there are referral practices that can even perform MRI’s on the brain to try to find brain lesions but those are usually at universities. And if all that fails to uncover the problem, one calls the disease idiopathic, which means we haven't got a clue and call it epilepsy. Good luck..go to a referral center with board certified internal medicine specialists and more often than not, they will ID the problem.
49 posted on 05/30/2008 7:54:17 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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I am not a vet but will venture a guess that your dog may be suffering from low blood sugar. It is hard to detect unless your vet allows you to exercise your dog before he sees it or runs a blood sugar test.

I had a beagle once that looked healthy as could be but would have a seizure if she ran for a few minutes. Vet wanted to put her on medication. I thought about it for a couple of days and realized that some of my other beagles were having other problems so I changed to a different brand of dog food. Problem solved.

Now, this doesn't mean you should change to a high protein dog food. That can cause kidney problems from what I understand. Try a good name brand dry dog food.

50 posted on 05/30/2008 7:55:06 PM PDT by jerry639
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