Posted on 06/10/2008 9:03:27 AM PDT by youshouldknowthetruth
I really haven't the slightest knowledge about this issue, but I did find an interesting analysis of his status, as a "Naturalized Citizen"...
http://www.aina.org/news/20080610032620.htm
A non-issue. Next.
I wonder why no one is talking about his on FR?
I thought you had to be a born American.
Next.
Of course, none of that negates the point that Barack Hussein Obama is the apex of the hate-America, domestic enemy in this country. His election as president would be the greatest coup any enemy has ever scored against this country and could easily lead to the worst, horrific disaster in our nation's history.
Hillary’s lawyer herd would have been all over this a year ago if it was an issue.
You’re right. Yes this needs to be discussed as much as John McCain not being qualified because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone.
He was born on US soil to a US citizen.
The law quoted in the article refers only to children born abroad.
Obama was not born abroad, but in Hawaii.
Perhaps because it's a pointless waste of bandwidth.
Mother a natural born US Citizen.... He was born in Hawaii..... Nothing here...
Mother a natural born US Citizen.... He was born in Hawaii..... Nothing here...
There’s plenty to discuss about Obama, but whether he’s legally allowed to be president isn’t one of them.
This is third or fourth thread on this today.
Hawaii was granted Statehood in ‘59. Obama CLAIMS to be born in ‘61, only two years different. If Obama’s claims are true, then yes, he is a citizen.
However, Obama refuses to release his birth certificate so his claims are difficult to validate. If he was born prior to the granting of statehood, then he was born abroad and is a naturalized citizen.
More here:
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTgxZmIwNTg0OWVhMWJkODNmZjI4ZjY4Mjg2OWRmNzI=
THIS IS HUGH AND SERIES!!
And his mother CLAIMS to be a US citizen too.
Definitely a non-issue. His mother was an american citizen by birth and it is no more an issue than McCain being born on a U.S. base in Panama.
Well, you asked........
“I wonder why no one is talking about his on FR?”
People do that all the time for all sorts of reasons.
I doubt I could do anything to prohibit the "release" of my own birth certificate.
This is third or fourth thread on this today.
Yes and don’t forget there have been some in the past....
The blogs are working overtime spreading the rumor. One prints something and the others copy and post to theirs with a comment or two. What a way to spread truth or untruths.
I always wondered about that too, but if he says he was born in Hawaii then I guess that settles it.
So why is Obama unwilling to provide his for the position of President?
I’ve read that that’s not the policy in Hawaii, where birth certificates are not available to the general public.
Statehood has nothing to do with it.
Hawaii has been incorporated US territory since 1898.
If he was born prior to the granting of statehood, then he was born abroad and is a naturalized citizen.
Incorporated US territories are not foreign countries, and are not considered "abroad."
Hawaii was the last incorporated territory with a population, BTW.
I was born in Canada and cannot become President. You guys are really missing out.
My campaign slogan would be “Things would be different if I was in charge. Might not be better but it would be different.”
If a man born on US soil to a US parent isnt an American citizen, no one here is.
The only problem with that view is the law (Hawaii Statehood admissions act of 1959) section 19 specifically states that the adoption of the act, does NOT confer nationality.
I heard he was born in AFRICA to a MUSLIM father and went to Muslim schools. You think this is the kind of person we should allow to be President? It may not even be legal. We need to keep pressing this issue between now and the election.
Further, being born in a territory DOES NOT confer citizenship by law. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insular_area for more details.
Before you get too crazy about Obama, who was born in Hawaii (a State) to a US Citizen you should look at McCain.
Never go down a rabbit hole unless you plan on following where it goes.
You heard incorrectly.
I suspect that this a fairly common occurrence for you.
You think this is the kind of person we should allow to be President?
The question of whether Obama should be President is a separate question from whether he can be President.
We need to keep pressing this issue between now and the election.
No we don't.
We need to address real issues and not made-up ones.
Being born in an incorporated territory - as I clearly stated in my above post - does.
Three State Department contractors had taken unauthorized looks at the electronic files of each of the candidates, although each had clearance to use the database, Undersecretary for Management Patrick F. Kennedy said Thursday. Obama's file was accessed three times: Jan. 9, Feb. 12, and March 14. It was disclosed later that the files of Clinton and McCain were also reviewed by the contractors.
I'm wondering if there could be a connection. Anyone have thoughts on this?
McPain was born in the Panama Canal Zone.
Let's look at what the Act actually says:
"Nothing contained in this Act shall operate to confer United States nationality, nor to terminate nationality heretofore lawfully acquired, or restore nationality heretofore lost under any law of the United States or under any treaty to which the United States is or was a party."
It specifically refers to nationality gained or lost under a US law or treaty before ("heretofore") the passage of the Act.
In other words, everyone residing in Hawaii the day the act was passed experienced no change in their nationality.
Those who were born in the incorporated US territory of Hawaii retained their US nationality just as before.
Resident aliens who did not have US nationality before hawaii became a state did not magically become US nationals, but remained resident aliens of the state of hawaii just as they were resident aliens of the terriotory of Hawaii.
The change from territoriality to statehood had no effect on the national status of any person living in Hawaii.
“I heard he was born in AFRICA to a MUSLIM father and went to Muslim schools.”
You HEARD? Well that settles it then.
Hawaii was first a Kingdom, then a Republic and then a Territory. Prior to Statehood, citizenship was not granted to the residents of Hawaii. As such, Hawaii was an organized unincorporated Territory.
An unincorporated territory is an area under U.S. jurisdiction, to which Congress has determined that only select parts of the U.S. Constitution apply. Unincorporated territories are essentially colonies, under the supremacy clause, receiving only whatever powers are offered by the U.S. Congress.
Today, there are no inhabited, incorporated territories though there are a series of atolls and islands that are uninhabited but incorporated territories. Current examples of Organized, unincorporated territories would include Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico (commonwealth), United States Virgin Islands
“He was born to a US citizen on US soil.”
Have you seen his birth certificate?
Not really. That wasn’t true until around 1980 and he was over 18 by then.
Dittoing most other posts. Non issue. Just like McCain being born in the Canal Zone.
In reality, Hawaii was an incorporated territory of the US from 1900 to 1959.
So the FEC is just ignoring the law and allowing him to run?
I think not.
Bookmarked.
He still had to register. From Wikipedia:
Then on July 2, 1980, President Jimmy Carter signed Proclamation 4771, Registration Under the Military Selective Service Act, retroactively re-establishing the Selective Service registration requirement for all 18-26 year old male citizens born on or after January 1, 1960. Only men born between March 29, 1957, and December 31, 1959, were completely exempt from Selective Service registration.[2]
The truth is out there.
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