Posted on 07/19/2008 4:03:53 PM PDT by Perdogg
Jail time and community service are different, but both are government punishments. What’s your rationale?
Bush wouldn’t pardon two heroes defending the sovereignty of the United States (Ramos and Compean) why does she think he’ll pardon her?
Bull Squat!
The lying cheat wasn't jailed for being a threat to society.
She was jailed for lying under oath, cheating at the HIGHEST level of her sport - thus denying the rightful winners from receiving 5 Medals, 3 of them GOld by CHEATING and in effect STEALING the MILLIONS in endorsements from the rightful winners...
She in effect denied the RIGHTFUL winners of their glory, and the millions that came from endorsements - so she is a thief -- BIG TIME. Oh, and we mustn't forget -- she also practiced a check scheme to steal additional dollars..
It appears the skank hasn't worked a day of her life, after cheating her way into the endorsements and fees for racing. After burning through MILLIONS in just 7 years - she lost her $2.5 million home to foreclosure and other properties -- spending the rest on lawyer fees to keep her ass out of prison and trying to avoid paying her coach the $250K she OWED him...
She behaved as a skank and should be treated as a skank.. Her sentence wasn't as long as I would have given her - and she hasn't been required to REIMBURSE the rightful winner of the 5 medals -- including 3 Gold Medals the millions she made in endorsements.
The FULL measure of consequences should fall on this shallow and undeserving liar and thief..
Sorry, I’m bad at posing Socratic questions.
Let me be more direct: why is GOVERNMENT punishing her AT ALL? In free societies, wouldn’t that instead be the function of the relevant athletic organization?
It is not up to the Federal Govt to enforce the rules and the regulation of IOC. I never said she should be pardoned and I never said she should not do community service. She has spent time in a joke of a facility at tax payer’s expense, which she will be released from com September. She will always have this record and she should serve a more useful purpose to society other than spending time at a federal medical facility. She is not a violent offender.
Jones -- OK
Michael Milken, convicted on securities fraud charges in 1990 -- No
Randy Cunningham, -- OK
Edwin W. Edwards, a former Democratic governor of Louisiana -- No
John Walker Lindh -- Not even if Hell freezes over
She did lie under oath which is serious. However, I think non violent criminals should not serve jail time but be gainfully employed to provided restitution to their victims and to help people society.
See post #6
No jail for non violent offenders? So the public official who commits fraud gets a fine? The CEO who causes thousands of employees and shareholders millions of dollars due to his criminal acts gets no time? No way.
Perhaps the Oympians who didn’t cheat, and lost to this cheat — should file claims they were denied their millions by the FRAUD perpetrated by Jones.
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http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2007/10/nike-puts-the-i.html
Fraud? Marion Jones endorsements are courtesy of anabolic steroids
Marion_jones_l Recent admitted steroid user Marion Jones is but one of the stable or current and former Nike endorsing athletes to use anabolic drugs to enhance their standing in the sports and endorsement world. Nike injected millions of dollars of endorsements into PED abusing athletes. Jones will return her 5 gold medals, but will not return the millions of Nike, Gatorade and other endorsement bucks she earned and squandered over the years.
Does the use of illegal drugs nullify Jones’ track wins beyond the 2000 Sydney Olympics? Do the millions of dollars of endorsements racked up by the disgraced Jones then represent fraud? Jones won races using PEDs; the tainted wins led to her fame in the corporate product world and to lucrative endorsement contracts. Doesn’t that appear to be fraud?
The other athletes Jones defeated would have a case against Jones too. Where is their prize money? Where are their juicy endorsement deals? The other female track stars found their endorsement balloons punctured by the sharp needle on the end of a steroid syringe.
In 2000, the New York Times trumpeted the success of the new breed of female athletes, who received endorsements by appealing to the general female consumers with dollars to spend. How many of those females would spend their dollars now identifying with a big time steroid cheater.
Using Marion Jones’ financial house of cards as an example, when a drug cheater immorally and illegally wins races, then receives endorsement dollars, should that situation be considered sports fraud? Here is the definition of fraud:
All multifarious means which human ingenuity can devise, and which are resorted to by one individual to get an advantage over another by false suggestions or suppression of the truth. It includes all surprises, tricks, cunning or dissembling, and any unfair way which another is cheated.
Source: Black’s Law Dictionary, 5th ed., by Henry Campbell Black, West Publishing Co., St. Paul, Minnesota, 1979.
Do current fraud laws cover the concept of sports law? Don’t know here; however the sports fans, the paying ticket holders, and the honest competitors deserve redress when one of the superstars uses cheating (PEDs) to secure their own unholy victories and to enhance their bloated financial status over their competitors.
right, that’s a matter with civil, not criminal, courts.
They would be more beneficial to society doing other things than prison laundry and shooting hoop.
Was Bill Clinton jailed for lying under oath? His lying deeds were far greater than some game sport.
If fraudulent actions have damaged organizations or individuals, let them bring private suit. Government involvement wastes taxpayer resources solely for reasons of envy.
WAKE UP - SMELL the Coffee.
The charges against her were for LYING UNDER OATH to two grand juries, one impaneled to investigate the BALCO "designer steroid" ring, and the other impaneled to investigate a check fraud ring involving many of the same parties from the BALCO case...........NOT breaking the rules of the IOC.
In my court, the skank would remain in jail until her "admirers" could raise the several million dollars it would take to compensate the TRUE winners of the medals this skank cheated to win.
The skank is NOT entitled to a "Pardon", "Commutation" or ANY reduction of her already silly sentence..
Her name should ALWAYS be smeared by her crimes...
The record books should be purged of her name.
The other Athletes should be compensated for her fraud.
How? She has no ability to repay them now, even if you could pin an equitable valuation on this.
Please don't suggest that I somehow compensate them.
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