Posted on 08/03/2008 12:39:37 PM PDT by Soliton
"Most devout Muslims are creationists so when you go to schools, there are a large number of children of Islamic parents who trot out what they have been taught," Prof Dawkins said in a Sunday newspaper interview.
"Teachers are bending over backwards to respect home prejudices that children have been brought up with. The Government could do more, but it doesn't want to because it is fanatical about multiculturalism and the need to respect the different traditions from which these children come."
Prof Dawkins, professor for the public understanding of science at Oxford University, is author of books including the Selfish Gene, the Blind Watchmaker and the God Delusion.
He said science was being threatened in classrooms because the Government accepts that theories including "intelligent design" can be discussed "in the context of being one of a range of views on evolution."
"The Government – particularly under Tony Blair – thinks it is wonderful to have children brought up with their traditional religions. I call it brainwashing," he added.
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
Imagine you were in ancient Greece and you saw everyone tossing money at statues for favors. That is how I believe professor Dawkins sees you guys. Just like you would like to save his soul, he would like to save your mind.
I am not only a philo-semite, I have physically proven it with Ellen Moss.
What the heck are you referring to?
What the heck are you referring to?
Ewwwww! Too much information! I wasn't asking for a list of your sexual escapades!
A philo-Semite is a lover of HaShem, Torah, and Israel. Unfortunately, rebellious children of Southern Baptist parents sometimes enjoy invoking their "philo-Semitism" as they tear the "chr*stian" "old testament" to shreds. They enjoy doing this because they enjoy conflating Judaism with liberalism and indifferentism, and the TaN"KH with chr*stianity rather than with its actual religion.
Sorry, but I don't want Judaism or Zionism (which is, after all, based on Biblical sentimentalism) associated with you or your attitude.
I've been on this forum since 5/99. You've been here almost two months longer. Yet for most of the past nine plus years I was blissfully ignorant of your existence. Now you're everywhere, and with an intentional tone of taunting and scorn that implies actual sadism. Dude.
Your last reply to "Force of Truth" was actually reasonable. It's the only reasonable post you've made all day. Otherwise you have chosen, as I said earlier, to taunt and tease other than reason. You have stated that it "self-evident" that only nature exists and yet denied any presuppositions. You have posted a thread implying criticism of islam for teaching creationism while hypocritically attacking the chr*stianity of other people who share your disdain for islam (and since you aren't even a chr*stian to begin with, this is certainly hypocritical of you). You have said that you are incapable of faith and attacked it, but insisted that faith is all right so long as it isn't confused with science. (What does this mean? That it should be retained as ethnocultural folklore used to teach ethical lessons?) I have been tempted today to ask you what caused the big bang (as I understand it, and I could be wrong, the "big bang" theory is a creation ex nihilo theory, only with G-d removed) and where a thoroughly scientific person such as yourself gets his moral and ethical beliefs, since morals and ethics are altogether outside science. I have refrained because I knew that rather than answer a sincere question you would merely spit in my face.
But what really makes me suspect that there is something deeply wrong with you personally is that you invoke as "proof" for your beliefs your alleged super-duper intelligence. "You're foolish to disagree with me because I'm an idiot savant?" What kind of argument is that? You're autistic? That makes you right? That may explain certain parts of your personality, but I doubt it automatically makes your position right.
There is no shortage of cruelty in the world. There are cruel chr*stians, cruel, moslems, cruel Jews, cruel people-who-don't-believe-in-G-d-but-who-aren't-atheists-because-they-can't-prove-he-doesn't exist, cruel liberals, cruel conservatives, cruel moderates. But your constant hazing and attacking of other people paired with the excuse that you are a genetic wonder of the ages (the next state in human evolution, perhaps?), rather than provoking critical thought in either you or your debating partners, is simply intended to stick the knife in and twist. "Prove it?" Where do you live--in a sandbox? Do you also frequently often use the word "Nyah?" You wouldn't even tell a child that "santa" doesn't exist (at least I doubt that your fellow positivists on FR would do such a thing), yet you have stated over and over that the G-d of your opponents is identical to "santa." Did your parents teach you no basic manners?
Believe me, Sir, while you may enjoy raising my blood pressure I don't enjoy it. I assure you that if FR had an ignore feature (and why it doesn't have one I don't know) you'd be on it and you and I would not cross swords and grow angry with one another. Of course, if that were the case, you probably wouldn't even hang around here.
If your Southern Baptist parents hurt you, I'm sorry. You're not the first and won't be the last to be hurt by parents. And it may be that your relationship with them was perfect. I have no idea. All I know is that you have a streak within you that is not devoted to honest debate but to cruelty, and whether it is from nature or nurture (or your superior intellect) is, for all practical purposes, irrelevant.
I do not understand why those who share your views don't regard you as every bit as much an embarrassment as Myers. I am sure that many of them could make the same arguments you do without your childishness, your almost intentional contradictions, and your invocation of a super-human intelligence as a proof and a defense. Granted, none of the camps on FR like to air their dirty laundry in public, but . . . whatever. Were I on your side I would certainly have been embarrassed by you a long time ago.
May self-existent quantifiable measurable natural reality heal your psychic wounds and never mislead you in your moral sense!
I have never asked anyone to accept anything I claim based on anything but reason, logic and evidence. Unlike most of the people I debate, I stick to the facts and cite sources. My intelligence comment was specifically about my lack of social skills relative to my intelligence. I was talking about Dawkins or PZ Myers at the time and said that they were smart, but hurt their cause by not being polite. My son is autistic. Autism is genetic. http://www.actionbioscience.org/genomic/dougherty.html. This certainly means that my High IQ combined with my lack of nuance may mean that I too am autistic. I stated somewhere that I thought Dawkins may be too.
I read somewhere that Dawkins doesn’t drive.
Atheists often make lousy parents. So do some Jews, Christians, and whoever else. I pity all the kids of lousy parents. And in some ways they are truly blessed, as they can go forward, know what not to do, and make great and happy lives for them and their own children. The key is not to reject a philosophy for personal reasons. Proof of the Almighty is abundant. People just have to be willing to accept it with an open mind. Now I fully expect Soliton to get all upset, but that just shows an emotional attachment, to a higher being no less, not objective analysis.
Please provide something verifiable
Been there, done that, you distorted it and then went into a non-ending tirade, which is only indicative of an emotional attachment (albeit of an angry kind for now) to the Creator. When you relax reread my pieces on the subject and I’ll be happy to discuss.
The man lost a debate to a relatively young and obscure rabbi (albeit a smart one) on the issue. The YouTube videos of him and Boteach are telling. Then he made a fool of himself with Ben Stein. Now he asserts that all who disagree with him are “brainwashed.” We’ve seen this type of Stalinist attitude before.
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