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Mythbusters Gagged: Credit Card Companies Kill Episode Exposing RFID Security Flaws
The Consumerist ^ | 8/30/08 | The Consumerist

Posted on 08/31/2008 7:31:10 AM PDT by MichiganMan

Credit card companies successfully nixed a Mythbusters segment exposing RFID's security flaws, according to Arbiter of Truth and Mythbusters co-host, Adam Savage.

Texas Instruments comes on along with chief legal counsel for American Express, Visa, Discover, and everybody else... They were way, way outgunned and they absolutely made it really clear to Discovery that they were not going to air this episode talking about how hackable this stuff was, and Discovery backed way down being a large corporation that depends upon the revenue of the advertisers. Now it's on Discovery's radar and they won't let us go near it.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Science
KEYWORDS: creditcard; lawyers; mythbusters; privacy; rfid
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I imagine the accompanying video of Adam isn't long to Youtube's servers as this story propagates. I wasn't too comfortable with these chips in my card to begin with, I definitely will be steering clear of them now.
1 posted on 08/31/2008 7:31:11 AM PDT by MichiganMan
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To: MichiganMan
If I had any credit cards I'd be worried.

Stopping the broadcast of Mythbusters will not prevent this information from getting out to Russian mafia, hackers, or ID thefters at all. It will just prevent it from getting out to customers. Cigarette companies tried that information suppression stuff and it caused them some legal issues when customers were actually affected.
2 posted on 08/31/2008 7:40:36 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: MichiganMan

Well, you can understand the Credit Card Companies reaction, Geeks across the land would be building RFID readers and sending them to Kari to impress her...


3 posted on 08/31/2008 7:46:42 AM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Pallin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..Viva La Reagan revolcuccion!)
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To: padre35

Kari? Yeah, Kari!!

You know the rules, where is it.


4 posted on 08/31/2008 7:48:53 AM PDT by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: MichiganMan

Once again, like with the WGN situation, it’s the truth that is scary, not the fabrications.


5 posted on 08/31/2008 7:49:10 AM PDT by LongTimeMILurker
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To: Arkinsaw

We might never know, but I’d be curious to see how much grief Mr. Savage gets just for his part in this video.


6 posted on 08/31/2008 8:01:31 AM PDT by MichiganMan (So you bought that big vehicle and now want to whine about how much it costs to fill it? Seriously?)
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To: LongTimeMILurker
WGN situation?

Help me out, I'm unaware.
7 posted on 08/31/2008 8:01:43 AM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: MichiganMan

I just love the small shot at Smash Lab. Damn that show sucks.


8 posted on 08/31/2008 8:08:12 AM PDT by SlapHappyPappy
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To: MichiganMan

Used mostly for building access and package tracking today, RFID is not privacy friendly technology. With a range of at least 3 meters RFID chips can theoretically be hidden in products from laptops to shoes without the user’s knowledge and can be used to track the users movements and behavior across a network of scanners.

I know that one of the security problems is that the cards can be readily cloned - if you sniff a scanner, then sniff a card on that network you can clone the card as many times as you like just by duplicating the key.

Most businesses in major cities give employees RFID cards to use like building keys. We’ve started recommending that clients use RFID for secondary internal access only, say between zones or departments within a building, like access to server rooms. Primary access to a facility should be granted only after people have been identified by a less vulnerable means (Mark 1 eyeball for instance).


9 posted on 08/31/2008 8:10:24 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF ("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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To: SlapHappyPappy

Smash Lab is beyond lame. Still worse was the Rocket Guys show. hat was sooo painful.

By theway, Kari is awesome!


10 posted on 08/31/2008 8:14:28 AM PDT by Holicheese (The sound you hear is another nail in the Yankees coffin!)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
Well that, and in DC some concrete barriers (caltrops and mangels in a large scale) to keep out their bomb filled trucks, and guys on the ground with gates and guns.

It's worked pretty good.

11 posted on 08/31/2008 8:15:35 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Oh most certainly. The potential for tracking is beyond current comprehension. If less than one decade we could easily be living in a society where your every move is tracked. Think about it. Your sneakers have a tag that tracks it through production and shipment. That tag, hence, those shoes, gets tied to your name through your credit card purchase. Those shoes’ tag then announces your presence and movement throughout any store with appropriately equipped scanners and purchased access to the above info. Very simple endeavor for startling tracking ability.


12 posted on 08/31/2008 8:16:40 AM PDT by MichiganMan (So you bought that big vehicle and now want to whine about how much it costs to fill it? Seriously?)
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To: SlapHappyPappy

Yea, i tried watching Smash Lab. It was like watching High schoolers trying to demonstrate gravity or something.


13 posted on 08/31/2008 8:32:55 AM PDT by smith288 (Maverick - Barracuda 08!)
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To: PeteB570


Rules are rules
14 posted on 08/31/2008 8:34:11 AM PDT by smith288 (Maverick - Barracuda 08!)
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To: MichiganMan
Makes you want to make you own shoes.

Actually I had already heard about this, and I want to make a Faraday cage using cloth for my credit cards. I might be paranoid, but the geek in me thinks it's just cool to work with metal encoded fabrics. I actually want to build a cage for my server next.

15 posted on 08/31/2008 8:37:36 AM PDT by Toki
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To: MichiganMan

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFID#Security_concerns

“Cryptographically-enabled tags typically have dramatically higher cost and power requirements than simpler equivalents, and as a result, deployment of these tags is much more limited. This cost/power limitation has led some manufacturers to implement cryptographic tags using substantially weakened, or proprietary encryption schemes, which do not necessarily resist sophisticated attack. For example, the Exxon-Mobil Speedpass uses a cryptographically-enabled tag manufactured by Texas Instruments, called the Digital Signature Transponder (DST), which incorporates a weak, proprietary encryption scheme to perform a challenge-response protocol for lower cost.”


16 posted on 08/31/2008 8:41:05 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: Toki

That’s why I’m becoming a bigger and bigger fan of cash - it can’t be traced back to you.

In any case, I remember finding out my brother had a RFID-enabled debit card, so I promptly helped him line the relevant pocket in his wallet with a layer of aluminum foil. Fortunately, I have nothing with an RFID chip in it with personal information besides my passport, and when/if it looks like I’m going to use it, I’m buying one of these: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/security/910f/ before taking it out of my house.


17 posted on 08/31/2008 9:09:20 AM PDT by Hyzenthlay (I aim to misbehave.)
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Nice, thanks for posting that. I wish I had this when I used my passport. I didn’t realize that it had one of these chips.


18 posted on 08/31/2008 9:17:18 AM PDT by Toki
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To: smith288

You, sir, are a righteous man.


19 posted on 08/31/2008 9:22:05 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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You, sir, are a righteous man.

Not doing so would be unAmerican.

20 posted on 08/31/2008 9:24:06 AM PDT by smith288 (Maverick - Barracuda 08!)
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