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Ranch owner waives preliminary hearing in deaths of 32 bison
Associated Press ^ | September 12, 2008 | COLLEEN SLEVIN

Posted on 09/12/2008 10:57:24 AM PDT by george76

A Park County rancher on Friday waived his right to a preliminary hearing and asked to enter a plea in the slaughter of 32 bison owned by his neighbor.

It’s hard to find anyone here sympathetic to Hawn.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Outdoors; Pets/Animals; Society
KEYWORDS: animalcruelty; animalrights; atzlan; banglist; bison; corruption; downare; hawn; jeffhawn; jeffreyscotthawn; montedownare; propertyrights; vaughndownare; wateredge
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To: B4Ranch

Well the dude moved in to established ranch country. The buffalo were there when he came. I suppose that newbies moving into an area and buying 3 acre “ranches” would end up just causing trouble for the sake of causing trouble and it would probably end up in civil court.

I suppose that if I had a hundred thousand acres, and you moved in and bought a hundred thousand acre ranch next to it, then that would be different. But most people couldnt afford to buy a hundred thousand acres like the ranches here and then leave them empty. We are talking real working ranches, up in South Park, and they probably run 20,000 to 30,000 acres. If your buffalo bothered me, I’d pen them and charge you enough for handling fees that youde take care of them after that. That is the way it is done.


41 posted on 09/13/2008 1:15:58 PM PDT by Concho
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To: B4Ranch

I have worked around cattle and around buffalo. Buffs can jump a fence, but when the wind blows, and especially when there is a blowing blizzard, they put their heads down and walk into the wind. If they come to a fence, they simply bulldoze right on through it like it wasnt even there.

The thing that I’m not seeing here is, how much property did the dude have? The AP is calling him a rancher, but he has a luxury vacation home there and the buffs put hair on his satellite dish? This sounds to me like the dude has a piece of land big enough to build a house on, maybe a couple acres..............if that is the case, then it is certainly a misnomer to refer to him as a rancher. My gut feeling is that the dude has no livestock as he is a cyber geek of some sort. He is what we call a Rexall Cowboy, all hat and no cattle...... :)

I am going to email some friends up there and see if they know just how much land the dude has. I bet it doesnt qualify as a ranch.


42 posted on 09/13/2008 1:28:11 PM PDT by Concho
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To: B4Ranch

Ah,ah,ah,ah,

Colorado law.

Says that if a fence is necessary to be built on a property line that each party has to pay their half of it, and have to maintian their half of it. So, yes, you are right on both counts, the law would say that a fence had to be built, and you would have to pay for half of building and maintaining it.


43 posted on 09/13/2008 1:43:02 PM PDT by Concho
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To: Concho

I think you’re looking at this quite nicely. I buy the buffs and you have to pay half to fence them out while I would have to pay for the other half of building and maintaining it.

It’s nice when neighbors step up and pay half the fencing costs of their ranching neighbor. In Texas, I had to pay all the costs.


44 posted on 09/13/2008 1:51:58 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: B4Ranch

Well, I dont think that it has to do with nice. In a ranch community where the ranchers are neighbors, they would talk it over between them before doing something that is most likely gonna cause trouble. If it was going to certainly cause trouble, then they probably wouldnt do it in the first place, or they would take steps to corral the buffalo so that they didnt get away.

What I was pointing out was, that is the colorado law. Even tho Kansas is a Fence In state, if it is necessary to have to build a NEW FENCE, then both parties have to share the cost. It is just state fence law.


45 posted on 09/13/2008 4:25:51 PM PDT by Concho
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To: Shooter 2.5

The law says if you don’t want bison on your property, you should put up a fence to keep those bison out or move back where you came from.

Crapola- I don't woryy about buffalo, but I do shoot neighbors dogs because I don't want them damaging my property. The neighbor gets one warning. That's it. My property, my rules.

46 posted on 09/13/2008 4:51:15 PM PDT by Sarajevo (You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Concho

Maybe the key point of this article is that Colorado is considered an OPEN RANGE state. Most of the big outfits dont have fences between them, the cattle roam. Highways are fenced in places, and in other places you cross cattleguards and drive and drive and drive. Livestock has the right of way, and if they choose to lay in the road, then you have to slow or stop and honk or drive around them to get through. It is the local custom and the law of the land there. Because Colorado is an open range state, then that is why it is also a FENCE OUT STATE. The court will tell the dude he didnt do his research before he moved there. If you dont like buffalo in your yard, then dont go build a house in a buffalo ranch.


47 posted on 09/14/2008 7:41:20 AM PDT by Concho
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