My invention

djf

[djf]

A while back in February of this year I posted a thread asking if there were any FReepers with patents.

I had two purposes: to find out info about the getting-a-patent process, as well as hopefully find someone with a somewhat mutual interest who might join in.

Alot of FReepers provided good info about the getting part, and I researched the law, it is truly daunting.

So I have decided to show here a quick sketch of my invention. I have asked a number of folks (all who have signed NDA's) and everyone agrees that it is a very, very interesting concept, and none of them had ever seen it before.

For years I was interested in designs for reciprocating engines. One night I fell asleep thinking about it and the next morning I knew exactly what it was.

I have a number of associates who have detailed drawings of my idea and various configurations. It is extremely versatile, and slight changes to the design can make it suitable for a huge number of applications.

It is a rotor that can go in an engine.



The design is very simple, a hockey puck shaped rotor. The crankshaft comes straight out the center. But it is different from a Wankel type system, as it has a piston mounted in the rotor. As the piston is compressed against the spring, the rotor turns, and the piston goes back to it's rest position.

Anyways, I put together about 15 variations of the design, with multiple pistons, etc. The draft documents are in safes spread out over a couple states.

I retain any and all rights to this idea. I will sell the idea to a bidder for an appropriate amount and a nominal fee of ten US dollars per unit produced.

As of now, there are no prototypes. A huge advantage of the design is it can be powered by just about anything. Internal combustion, compressed air, magnetism, actual mechanical compression of the piston.

So that's it! I think it's an important find. If it's been done already, guess I gotta cry in my beer. But when people I know who have been working with engines and motors for thirty plus years tell me it's something worth pursuing, then I gotta do something about it.

[Southack]

Please keep in mind that what you’ve just posted qualifies as “publication,” and you may be ineligible to obtain a patent on said idea if you delay filing your patent application more than 365 days from today.

[taxcontrol]

From someone who has multiple patents ... in mechanical patents, there is a BIG DIFFERENCE between paper and working prototype. Invest in the time / effort / money to build a working model. Once you can show that it will work, you will have much more capital available to you. Until then, it’s just another (good) idea.

[Ronin]

I hope you get rich, make tons of money, live a life of total luxury and donate portions of your largess to worthy charities.

[djf]

Well, then, I suppose the clock is ticking!

Seriously, from everything I’ve heard, ALL PATENTS ARE BREAKABLE.

But I’ve sat on this for quite a while, and am extremely, extremely interested in what the actual operational characteristics would be, and the applications.

A buddy of mine who is a fairly good engineer in his own right takes a look and he practically started drooling...
“motorcycles...”

Just seems to me there is no way you could build this thing and have it not be far, far more efficient than a standard 4 or 6 cylinder engine. You never lose any of the angular momentum.

[Joe 6-pack]

"Once you can show that it will work, you will have much more capital available to you."

It doesn't really even need to work. Just call it "green," say that it will reduce carbon emmissions and hack into Amazon's database for the names of people who bought algore's books and movie.

These are the suckers who'll be willing to throw good money your way whether it actually works or not.

[Southack]

"You never lose any of the angular momentum."

Neither do jet engines, but that makes them powerful...not fuel efficient.

[al baby]

I just forwarded this to myth busters

[Fichori]

[chaos_5]

I'm missing something. Maybe if you drew a few force vectors on there it would be easier to see. Which way does it spin? How does the piston push on the wheel? Is it in a combustion chamber, or is the combustion done in the spring loaded slot?

[Fichori]

"Neither do jet engines, but that makes them powerful...not fuel efficient."

Gas turbine engines are very fuel efficient per horsepower/pound.

Using exhaust thrust for propulsion is whats not very efficient.

There is a reason they are putting turboprops in airplanes.

More power, less weight, better efficiency.

At least thats the way I understand it.

[djf]

With any other piston type engine, the piston goes up, then stops, then goes down. Each time it reverses direction, you are losing momentum.

Doesn’t happen in this design. The piston is continuously rotating right along in the rotor.

The actual angle of the cylinder in terms of the exposed face determines the operation characteristics.

I have designs of these with not even straight cylinders, but arced cylinders. And arced pistons.
Like I said, the varieties are huge. And each variety may suit a particular application.

The only questions I had when I first thought of it was whether it was able to be built and run a long time without extensive wear. But after discussions with a couple folks, I know it’s well within the tolerances of current technologies.

It is, for all intents and purposes, a passive rotor.

Need a new engine? Pull up to the joint, he pulls a bunch of bolts and yanks out this round, flat cylindrical shaped thing, and drops a new one in.

Presto chango.

[danamco]

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[djf]

The piston is in it’s rest position. When compressed, it pushes into the cylinder against the spring.

The rotor turns counterclockwise.

[Jotmo]

Sorry, but this isn't making any sense to me.

Where does combustion take place? Why the spring? It will just absorb the energy, and convert it to heat. Why?

How does the fuel/air fed to the system? Why a piston at all? Why not just a chamber or bucket of sorts, for the expanding gases to react against?

Why is the piston so small? How much energy transfer do you expect to get from such a small surface area?

How is this an improvement over a standard rotary engine?

The drawing is way to basic to make any kind of assessment.

[Kirkwood]

When you build the prototype, you’ll find out why it won’t work.

[djf]

I know, it was just a quick drawing I made. The entire unit rotates, and is housed in something else that has actual combustion chambers or compressed air feeds.

There is no way you can supply mechanical energy to the piston and compress it against the spring and NOT have the unit rotate on you.

That’s what it’s designed to do.

[chaos_5]

So the rotor is of center, and it's rotation causes the piston to move against the spring, and compression occurs between the chamber wall and the outside of the rotor?

[topsail]

It looks like the design of a sliding vane pump.

[Jotmo]

But why do you need the spring? I'm just not getting what concept you're going for.

Is it similar to the diagram in post 9?