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Use a Saxophone, Lose Your License (10/27/38)
Microfiche-New York Times archives | 10/27/38 | No byline

Posted on 10/27/2008 5:15:34 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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1 posted on 10/27/2008 5:15:34 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: fredhead; r9etb; PzLdr; dfwgator; Paisan; From many - one.; rockinqsranch; GRRRRR; 2banana; ...
The 'Swinging' Bach story is on page 1. Don't mess with J.S.B. Especially in New Jersey.

Speaking of "the jungled dischords of the clarinet," how abot B.G. in the Empire Room of the Waldorf-Astoria. I don't care if there is a couvert on top of the $1.75 for dinner. I'm there!

For the Samual Barber 'Adagio for Strings' article, I really wanted to be able to provide a link to a listenable copy of that piece. I got it saved to a file and ready to upload, but after a couple hours of effort I was unable to find a site where I could store it and link to FR. My best bet was fileden.com (another tip from CougarGA7) but I couldn't connect with my activating email to get started. If anyone knows how I can pull this off I would appreciate the help. Maybe I can still get it up in time for the Nov. 5 premier. Otherwise, I urge everyone unfamiliar with it to find a copy of 'Adagio for Strings,' by Samuel Barber and give it a listen. It is an amazing and important 20th century work. It has also been used as the score for several movies, most notably 'Platoon.' My version is by the Saint Louis Symphony Orchestra, Leonard Slatkin, 1989.

2 posted on 10/27/2008 5:30:59 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson (Barak Obama: Satan's sock-puppet)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

They’re about to release a remake of the movie “The Day the Earth Stood Still.” That should be be against the law, IMO...


3 posted on 10/27/2008 5:33:28 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Folks, look closely at the second column, first paragraph, first sentence. Though worded awkwardly by modern parlance, the word discrimination is used to indicate a good thing. As in someone with discriminating tastes.

I thought that to be an odd but interesting tidbit.


4 posted on 10/27/2008 5:35:38 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: abb
They’re about to release a remake of the movie “The Day the Earth Stood Still.” That should be be against the law, IMO...

I've actually seen an “improved” colorized Ansel Adams photo. THAT deserves the death penalty.

5 posted on 10/27/2008 5:37:11 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Dinner STARTS at $1.75 depending on entree. “3 beans on toast”? Or Leg of Lamb? You want something “nice” you should expect to pay a bit more.

And the public of 1938 would be surprised at what the FCC permits today.

They jazz the media several times every hour now.

And there were white label dirty records back then, but they were sold under the counter, never under the recording artist’s name, and never played on radio or dicussed in the street level culture.


6 posted on 10/27/2008 5:41:29 AM PDT by weegee (Barack Hussein Obama is a SOCIALIST.)
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To: CrazyIvan

I think that Ansel Adams did do a little bit of color photography and that he even shot a few portraits. But yes, applying color to one of his carefully composed, developed, and treated silver prints is contrary to all the work and intent.


7 posted on 10/27/2008 5:44:08 AM PDT by weegee (Barack Hussein Obama is a SOCIALIST.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

There’s too much sax and violins on radio.


8 posted on 10/27/2008 6:06:47 AM PDT by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I got it saved to a file and ready to upload, but after a couple hours of effort I was unable to find a site where I could store it....

Play the piece in windows media player and save as a video file.

Youtube is your best bet for a place to up load it.


9 posted on 10/27/2008 7:01:49 AM PDT by Islander7 (This Atlas is shrugging! ~ I am Joe!)
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To: dfwgator

[groaning AND giggling]


10 posted on 10/27/2008 7:44:50 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: weegee
You want something “nice” you should expect to pay a bit more.

But if you have to ask how much more, you can't afford it.

11 posted on 10/27/2008 7:45:03 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson (Barak Obama: Satan's sock-puppet)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

"Ahhh Bach!"

(Actually, I'm partial to the fugue)

12 posted on 10/27/2008 7:47:24 AM PDT by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Meanwhile, on another continent, another government proceeded on similar lines...


13 posted on 10/27/2008 7:50:28 AM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
"Recently, on two occations, we heard a jazz orchestra giving a rendition of Bach's 'Toccata in D Minor'........If this is permitted to go unchallenged, swing renditions of the Mass in B Minor will follow.."

OH THE HORROR!!!!

14 posted on 10/27/2008 8:01:06 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: dfwgator

LOL! That is too funny.


15 posted on 10/27/2008 8:01:46 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: Petronski

Which was the basis for a pretty good movie, "Swing Heil!"

16 posted on 10/27/2008 8:03:15 AM PDT by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: dfwgator

Pretty good film alright, except for the last reel.


17 posted on 10/27/2008 8:05:02 AM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: CougarGA7
If this is permitted to go unchallenged, swing renditions of the Mass in B Minor will follow.."

I think the B Minor Mass might defy attempts to "swing" it. Maybe a hip-hop version though . . .

18 posted on 10/27/2008 8:36:12 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson (Barak Obama: Satan's sock-puppet)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
'savage slurring and jungle discords'

How subtle.

Let's pass a law keeping negros from playing 'our' music.

But the author of the article needn't worry, black jazz musicians were already sowing the seeds of the demise of swing in the after hours clubs, bebop was right around the corner.

19 posted on 10/27/2008 8:47:09 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I dont know. It might be hard to reverb it.


20 posted on 10/27/2008 8:55:54 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: Petronski; dmz

Ah but they co-opted the rhythms to push propaganda to our troops:

http://www.propermusic.com/products.asp?recnumber=169

“Swing and jazz music was ?unerwunschte musik? (undesirable music) for the Nazis who worked hard to suppress this music during World War II, while using it at the same time for propaganda purposes on the airwaves. This is the story of the battle they lost against this irrepressible music. 95 tracks are included in this 4 CD set which comes with a 60 page booklet crammed with information about this fascinating period. THIS CD SET IS NOW IN SHORT SUPPLY AND WILL BE DISCONTINUED WHEN CURRENT STOCK HAS BEEN EXHAUSTED.”

PS Proper has a lot of boxed sets on rock and roll, texas swing, jazz, swing, and now they are getting heavy into bebop jazz collections.

Sound quality is alright for the price ($5 for a single CD through Half Price Books and other retailers, $18 for a 4 CD boxed set). Some of the audio appears subpar to me. But on the whole, they are a decent bargain.


21 posted on 10/27/2008 10:58:21 AM PDT by weegee (Barack Hussein Obama is a SOCIALIST.)
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To: dfwgator
"Ahhh Bach!"

I showed the picture of Radar to my wife this evening. Not Marge. The other one. Anyway, she tolerates my hobby of posting 70-year-old articles on Free Republic but she does not believe it is an indicator of complete mental health, if you know what I mean. She figures I do not pose a threat to myself or others so as long as my behavior is more or less normal in other regards she goes along with it. Anyway, many years ago we watched the episode of M*A*S*H where Radar is trying to score with an intellecually advanced nurse and Hawkeye gives him pointers. For some reason "Ah, Bach" stuck with us and the wife repeats it whenever J.S. Bach enters a conversation. So when I showed her your post she saw, just for a moment the great benefits obtainable at Free Republic.

Now excuse me. I have to go take out the trash.

22 posted on 10/27/2008 8:59:14 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson (Barak Obama: Satan's sock-puppet)
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To: fredhead; r9etb; PzLdr; dfwgator; Paisan; From many - one.; rockinqsranch; GRRRRR; 2banana; ...
10/28/38 Update

Not long after Munich Ribbentrop journeyed to Rome. His mind was “fixed” on war, Ciano noted in his diary of October 28.

The Fuehrer [the German Foreign Minister told Mussolini and Ciano] is convinced that we must inevitably count on a war with the Western democracies in the course of a few years, perhaps three or four . . . The Czech crisis has shown our power! We have the advantage of the initiative and are masters of the situation. We cannot be attacked. The military situation is excellent: as from September [1939] we could face a war with the great democracies.

William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, p. 436

23 posted on 10/28/2008 5:30:13 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson (Barak Obama: Satan's sock-puppet)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I see that there is an ad for the famous Keen’s Chop House, then in business for 53 years. I had dinner at the fine old pub style restaurant about 50 years ago, and it is still there. It is famous for mutton chops, and was originally a theatrical type place, from the time that NY’s theatre district was based in Herald Square, not Times Square.


24 posted on 10/28/2008 6:54:14 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (White Trash for Sarah!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Good catch. I see that it was also an "interesting rendezvous of celebrities."

Resteraunts come and go in the blink of an eye, but when somebody comes up with the right combination of factors - location, menu, kitchen talent, etc. - it can go on forever.

25 posted on 10/28/2008 7:23:46 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson (Barak Obama: Satan's sock-puppet)
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To: sandyeggo
What’s a milk bar?

I don't know. I am not sure I want to know.

28 posted on 10/28/2008 7:39:26 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson (Barak Obama: Satan's sock-puppet)
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To: fredhead; r9etb; PzLdr; dfwgator; Paisan; From many - one.; rockinqsranch; GRRRRR; 2banana; ...
Thank you sandyeggo. Islander7 recommended this route yesterday but you beat me to it.

Everyone, this is what a few New Yorkers heard for the first time anywhere on Nov. 5, 1938, performed here as a tribute to New Yorkers on Sept. 14, 2001. The last day of the proms. Very moving. You made me late for work but it is worth it.

I see there is also a rocked version of Adagio on Youtube. There should be a law against that. First offense - severe scolding. Second offense - casting into outer darkness where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth.

30 posted on 10/28/2008 7:58:23 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson (Barak Obama: Satan's sock-puppet)
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To: sandyeggo
There should be a law against that. First offense - severe scolding. Second offense - casting into outer darkness where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth

I'll let the jury decide:


33 posted on 10/28/2008 10:11:13 AM PDT by weegee (Barack Hussein Obama is a SOCIALIST.)
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