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Traviswf

Posted on 11/07/2008 10:40:35 AM PST by Traviswf

Hi there. I voted for Obama, but have been reading a lot of Freerepublic lately to see how the other side is reacting. I'm not trying to troll here - honestly - but if you feel I am, that's understandable. I just wanted to offer a perspective on this that I think may be interesting to some of you. Oh, and this is much longer than I intended. And I'm fairly certain I'm not posting this the right way...for which I apologize.

When Bush was elected in 2000, I was upset. And yes, I whined about him "stealing" the election. I don't really think that's true anymore - it was just a painful way to lose. Sure, we can whine about the popular vote vs. the electoral vote, but you can't change the rules in the middle of the game. Then I watched the movie Recount and realized just how awful the democrats were at trying to win the damn thing. Gore seemed like he didn't really want it.

When Bush won in 2004, I was absolutely devastated. I thought the world was going to end. I didn't think we should be in Iraq, I agreed with Kerry that we had to finish the fight in Afganistan. I was worried about the courts. And frankly - I just didn't like Bush. I didn't like the way he governed, the way he spoke, and the way he talked as if we on the left were less American.

On 9/11 I happened to be in Toronto on business. When the towers fell, I knew I had to get home. A colleague and I wanted to go to New York, to help in some way. But we were told nobody was getting anywhere close. Our next instinct was to get home - to California. We didn't just want to be with our families, we desperately wanted to be in our country. That day was rough because my colleague thought his wife might have been on one of the planes - her travel plans were very similar. It took hours of agony before we, thank God, found out she was safe.

So we rented a car in Toronto and drove across the country. It took a couple hours to get across the border in the middle of the night. We stopped in Omaha, and then Colorado. I can't even tell you how much I loved my country driving across its beauty in those days after the attacks. And there were no jokes about "we're in enemy territory" because we were in "red states." We were in America. Everywhere we went people said "How are you? Is everyone safe?"

I know everyone has similar stories of those days. And certainly many, many people have stories of real loss - not just "we thought we lost someone, but it was a happy ending." Then, fairly quickly, I felt my patriotism coming under attack because I had a difference of opinion about how to fight back. I didn't think Iraq was the right choice - it made no sense to me, and I certainly wasn't alone. But people questioned my love of my country. And that was very, very hard to forgive.

When 2008 came up, more than anything, I wanted to win the White House back. I wanted to punish the Bush administration for what I felt was not just a failure to be competent, but a failure to keep the country united. I inititally supported Hilary, but I had this feeling in my gut that she was just going to be Bush - but for our side. She'd be a partisan warrior, a polarizing figure (which Bush wasn't when he started, but Hilary already was...). It made me sick to my stomach.

I wanted to go back to feeling like an American in those days after the attack - where our disagreements were things we laughed about over a beer and the real threat was far, far more serious.

I'd written Obama's candidacy off as a dry run for 2016 or later. Or maybe he was running for VP. I thought - hey, dude, at least finish a term in the Senate. Then when he said "we're not a collection of red states and blue states, we're the United States of America" it hit me like lightning. It had nothing to do with him - it had to do with the country, and my love for it and this feeling deep down in my gut that we were fighting over the placement of the deck chairs while the ship was sinking.

Wow, this got really rambly. Sorry about that. Here's why I posted initially. I saw this thing on here about Obama's "national defense force" and some posters commenting about the coming civil war or some such. I'm pretty sure Obama was just talking about funding for police. I mean - are you guys really worried he's going to do this? There was a rumor on the left that Bush was bringing a military brigade trained in "riot control" home from Iraq before the elections. People were convinced Bush was going to take over the country in a military coup. I'm sure you think that's laughable - as do I. Obama is not going to raise a civilian force of brown coats. First of all there's no money for it, nobody would go for it, and he'd be laughed out of the White House.

He's also not a socialist. And he's not coming for your guns. If he did either of this things, he can basically just go home now. Those are not realistic positions for any president to have. He will likely appoint liberals - at least too liberal for you guys - to the courts.

But here's the thing. He's going to try and be a good president. I think they all do. And Obama ran on uniting the country, on being bipartisan. That's sort of ALL he ran on. It's how he won 60% of independent and brought home so many of the Clinton voters. So if he doesn't deliver on this - I imagine he'll be fairly easy to beat in 2012.

So that's my two cents. Obama was always going to get my vote as the nominee because I'm a lifelong democrat and a liberal. But I'm not a socialist or a pacifist. I believe in the 2nd amendment and favor the idea of most issues being decided by the states. I'm not a religious man, but I respect those who are and I think the Dems over reach in pushing religion out of the public square. I believe global warming is a serious problem, but I also think Al Gore enjoys it WAY too much.

And here's another caveat. I know it's easier to be bipartisan and talk about "togetherness" when my guy won. I was where you guys are now in 2000 and 2004. I mean, my party ALMOST ran Howard Dean and then said "No wait! John Kerry is a much better idea!" Or in this election to have a friend say "You've GOT to read Alec Baldwin's latest piece on HuffPo." I mean...really? He doesn't count as an "Obamacon" you know, he only plays a republican on TV...(you guys ever notice that our most annoying Hollywood liberals end up playing republicans? what's with that?)

So yeah - we've all spent some time in the woods. I just hope we can all agree that we're just as American as the other, and we're passionate about what we believe to be the right path to take. There are real problems with the economy, and Islamic Terrorists aren't going to take a vacation for four years.

That's about it I guess. Sorry you guys lost.


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1 posted on 11/07/2008 10:40:35 AM PST by Traviswf
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To: Traviswf

Obama is a fraud.


2 posted on 11/07/2008 10:41:27 AM PST by jennyjenny
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To: Traviswf

Where’s the ZOT gun ?


3 posted on 11/07/2008 10:41:43 AM PST by libh8er
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To: Traviswf

What a moron


4 posted on 11/07/2008 10:42:36 AM PST by clamper1797 (BHO ... the 'H" stands for hubris)
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To: Traviswf
I hope you continue to post, even though we disagree, we can agree not to be disagreeable.
5 posted on 11/07/2008 10:42:36 AM PST by Perdogg (01-20-2013)
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To: Traviswf

Thanks for taking the opp to post. I’m not widely liked here and heck I’m a Republican. But I do think getting a perspective like you posted is something that allows us to digest it (and yes, have a little bit of fun with it). Have a good weekend


6 posted on 11/07/2008 10:43:07 AM PST by GerardKempf (Let's Get Over This)
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To: Traviswf

Oprah? Is that you?


7 posted on 11/07/2008 10:43:26 AM PST by auusn
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To: Traviswf
ZOT
8 posted on 11/07/2008 10:43:31 AM PST by Dallas59 (Redistribute Obamas Wealth)
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To: Traviswf

We don’t care about Obama, we know who he is. He will try his best as a President, but as a liberal. McCain was a bad choice and we want our voices to be heard. What McCain has done to Palin is horrible. Unlike liberals, we will not crucify Obama liek you guys did Bush. We put our country first. We may complain, but we do not ope for bad evcents to happen because Obama is in power. The same cannot be said of Democrats. I am sure you concur.


9 posted on 11/07/2008 10:44:41 AM PST by NotchJohnson
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To: Traviswf

“Sorry you guys lost...”

Not nearly as sorry as you’re gonna be. Trust me on that.


10 posted on 11/07/2008 10:44:49 AM PST by justkate
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To: Traviswf

My first impulse is to tell you to kill yourself but I hope you suffer long and hard over the next for years. Then you can go kill yourself.


11 posted on 11/07/2008 10:45:01 AM PST by DogBarkTree (I blame McCain for Palin’s loss)
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To: Traviswf

I’m new to FR, but hey, as long as you’re civil. I’m big enough to read an opposing view...unlike Kos and HuffHo.


12 posted on 11/07/2008 10:45:41 AM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: Traviswf
He's also not a socialist. And he's not coming for your guns.

Riiiiight.

Say that crap in a couple of years.

13 posted on 11/07/2008 10:45:46 AM PST by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: Traviswf

This is who you stand with

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/06/new-national-anthem-my-president-is-black/


14 posted on 11/07/2008 10:46:19 AM PST by listenhillary (That giant sucking sound? It's only the government consuming the fruits of our labor.)
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To: Traviswf
He's also not a socialist.

"Forced redistribution of wealth, from the more productive to the less productive -- solely on the grounds that the latter has an inherent right to take from the former -- is another way of saying ___________."

Fill in the blank.

15 posted on 11/07/2008 10:46:32 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: Traviswf
He's also not a socialist. And he's not coming for your guns. If he did either of this things, he can basically just go home now.

You people really just don't get it --- that's exactly what Senator "Coke-head" Obama is, and he is most certainly going to launch a full-blown assault on the RKBA.

I hope that you wake up one day, but I am afraid it's going to be too late --- you have a radical left President, and the Congress is in the hands of an equally left-wing Speaker Pelosi and Senator Harry Reid. If you thought you were voting for anything else, you are sadly deluded; perhaps you should have bothered to at least read Senator Obama's website before you miscast your vote.

Anyway, welcome to Free Republic. I hope your stay is short.

16 posted on 11/07/2008 10:46:36 AM PST by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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To: Traviswf
But here's the thing. He's going to try and be a good president. I think they all do. And Obama ran on uniting the country, on being bipartisan. That's sort of ALL he ran on. It's how he won 60% of independent and brought home so many of the Clinton voters. So if he doesn't deliver on this - I imagine he'll be fairly easy to beat in 2012.

You do know who he appointed as his chief of staff, right?

17 posted on 11/07/2008 10:46:40 AM PST by 14erClimb (Sarah Palin: Ronald Reagan in a skirt!)
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To: Traviswf
"When 2008 came up, more than anything, I wanted to win the White House back. I wanted to punish the Bush administration for what I felt"

Your logic is impeccable. /sarc
Rational thought and recognition of real world concerns will hit us all soon enough, thanks to people who felt and did not think. Do some reading on communist societies throughout history. The pain, death, and general turmoil that they have always created. When the $hit hits the fan, look in the mirror for blame.
18 posted on 11/07/2008 10:46:45 AM PST by allmost
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To: Traviswf
He's also not a socialist. And he's not coming for your guns.

Both are untrue statements. Witness his "spread the wealth" mantra, and he verbally admitted that he wouldn't have the votes to confiscate guns.

May I safely assume you support infanticide?

19 posted on 11/07/2008 10:46:49 AM PST by MortMan (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: Traviswf
<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>> We didn't lose anything. America suffered a small setback, but she will recover and be stronger than ever.
20 posted on 11/07/2008 10:46:51 AM PST by armyofprinciples (I dressed as 0bama for Halloween. I disguised myself as a Christian.)
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To: Traviswf

“I imagine he’ll be fairly easy to beat in 2012.”

In the meantime, mind if we name a sewage plant after him?


21 posted on 11/07/2008 10:46:52 AM PST by thesetruths
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To: libh8er
"Where’s the ZOT gun ?"

Obama confiscated it?

No, seriously, I hope this post stands. No one ever died, for having a reasonable discussion.

Cheers.

22 posted on 11/07/2008 10:46:56 AM PST by Eurotwit (WI - CS)
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To: Traviswf
You were brave to come out and have a discussion. There is hope for you yet. :)

As to Obama, you can judge him by the friends he keeps. It is odd mixture of Clinton operatives and Carter advisors with a smattering of some of the biggest extremists this country has ever seen.

Time will tell if he is more of a pragmatist than an idealist, but on the major issues he is so far wrong that the stock market is all ready tanking with the news of his presidency. Get ready for high (not higher) taxes, invasive IRS practices, expensive gasoline, and destructive policy with national health care and foreign relations.

No, he may not use the military, but by the time he is through, you will see great adventurism by tyrants world wide because of his perceived weakness. In short, he is an accident that has happened and a train crash in the making....

23 posted on 11/07/2008 10:47:09 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Traviswf

You voted for a guy who refused to show that he was qualified to run?


24 posted on 11/07/2008 10:47:14 AM PST by nufsed
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To: Traviswf

Why do you hate America so much? Are you feeling guilty that you live in the greatest country on earth? Oh well, there is no accounting for your decision. Just pray that another 9/11 doesn’t happen.


25 posted on 11/07/2008 10:47:15 AM PST by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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To: Traviswf

Sorry to tell you, but you have been punked by the Obama Criminal Enterprise. If you think that he is good for the US, bipartisan and generally a trustworthy guy because of some speeches... I pity you.


26 posted on 11/07/2008 10:47:18 AM PST by SolidWood (Sarah Palin - Everything that is Sweetness and Light! WE STAND WITH HER!)
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To: Traviswf
He's also not a socialist. And he's not coming for your guns.

Wrong on both counts.

27 posted on 11/07/2008 10:47:20 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (I would continue my rant but I have to make sure my tires are inflated.)
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To: Traviswf
Fellow American, I can only advise you to look at a candidates deeds and the company he chooses, rather than the words he uses. And if your guy hangs out with folks who've made no secret of their dislike for this country, and expouses beliefs that are an anathema to the US Constitution, don't be surprised if some look upon their claims of "patriotism" with a jaundiced eye.

Oh, and don't EVER fall in love with a politician - he'll break your heart, always.

Most of you guys will hate Obama in two years time, take that to the bank.

28 posted on 11/07/2008 10:47:29 AM PST by skeeter (Its Barry's fault)
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To: Traviswf

All of those sentiments can be countered with one thought..

Why wouldn’t you give your Presidential candidate the same scrutiny that you would, say, a Used Car Salesman. You seem to have fallen for his slick marketing campaign, but if you look at his actual legislative record (ie actions instead of words), you’ll see that he isn’t this nice, sweet moderate man you believe.

Remember, you voted for Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces, not a motivational speaker.

But heck, you made the bed, time to lay in it. You have no one to blame.

I promise I will give President Obama 10% more respect than your side gave President Bush.


29 posted on 11/07/2008 10:47:33 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Traviswf

Obama’s not a socialist? News to me.

You have obviously been OBAMBOOZLED.


30 posted on 11/07/2008 10:47:35 AM PST by vietvet67
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To: Traviswf

I hope you don’t get banned.

You do not seem like most of the flamethrowers who have come here for their first (and last) post on FR.

(I am not a big fan of the zot)


31 posted on 11/07/2008 10:47:43 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Traviswf
Sorry you guys lost.

We're conservatives. We didn't have a candidate in this election. Where conservatism was on the ballot, it did very well.

Don't confuse Republicans with Conservatives.

32 posted on 11/07/2008 10:47:47 AM PST by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Traviswf
I can't WAIT until the Freedom of Choice act passes. Four thousand abortions every single day isn't nearly enough. Too damn many little punishments being brought to term.

No, I didn't read a word you posted beyond "I voted for 0bama." Bully for you, pal. I hear you can stop paying off your mortgage now, that must make you feel pretty good.

33 posted on 11/07/2008 10:47:53 AM PST by grellis
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To: Traviswf

Thank you for your viewpoint.

The one thing that really sticks in my mind is when BHO was speaking in front of bunch of left-wing-nut-jobs in Oregon (after or before a free concert, of course). After saying Americans shouldn’t expect to drive as much as they do, he went on to say that Americans shouldn’t expect to eat as much as they want to. I can understanding pandering, but this way beyond anything I’ve ever heard before. I don’t expect hearing this junk from someone who wants to be our President.


34 posted on 11/07/2008 10:48:04 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: Traviswf
IB4TZ

Required national service in the form of community service hours? 50 - 100 hours per year? What the hell is that? The new Massah? Da Kingfish? This is for school age children through college. Read Zero's own new gov page. Will required service come for the rest of us too?

Nam Vet

35 posted on 11/07/2008 10:48:05 AM PST by Nam Vet (Obama is the radical left's ' moist dream ' for America.)
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To: libh8er

this doesnt need to be zotted.
Bush made people so mad that they would vote for anything else. Obama happens to be anything else.


36 posted on 11/07/2008 10:48:26 AM PST by nuf said (I am, therefore I think.)
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To: Traviswf

There’s stuff I disagree with in your article, but I agree it’s not a troll. You were a lot more civil than most of the leftists that occasionally come over here. I sincerely hope your post is not deleted.


37 posted on 11/07/2008 10:48:27 AM PST by murdoog (http://babydoc3.livejournal.com)
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To: Traviswf
I guess if you're one of the unborn. There will no hope for you. Because you have no voice doesn't mean you aren't human.
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38 posted on 11/07/2008 10:48:48 AM PST by cruise_missile (''Edward - Jones:High commissions for lousy investment advice! Making cents out of $.)
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To: NotchJohnson
Unlike liberals, we will not crucify Obama liek you guys did Bush.

Speak for yourself. This fight is far from over.

39 posted on 11/07/2008 10:48:58 AM PST by DogBarkTree (I blame McCain for Palin’s loss)
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To: Traviswf; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; Conspiracy Guy; NYC GOP Chick; MeekOneGOP; Fedora; OSHA; ..
Appointing a Chief of Staff that drove Fannie Mea into the ground is a real good start to fixing the economy!!

Sleeper Troll Alert!!!

FIRE AT WILL ! ! !

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40 posted on 11/07/2008 10:49:06 AM PST by Delta 21 ( MKC USCG - ret)
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“He’s also not a socialist. And he’s not coming for your guns.”

Um, try hanging out and read a bit from change.gov

He wants to make pump action shotguns banned under assault weapons.

He was also a member of the New Socialist Party until he switched to Democrat to run for office. So you tell me, he’s not a socialist?

You are sadly mistaken. I hope you are college age. Then you can tell me how wonderful he is when you are fulfilling your 100 hours of community service that will be required.

That is not a rumor, that is a fact according to his own website.


41 posted on 11/07/2008 10:49:15 AM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: Traviswf

You represent your side very well here in ‘enemy’ territory.

Welcome to FR. :)


42 posted on 11/07/2008 10:49:31 AM PST by KoRn
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The ULTIMATE vanity. Now the situation is so bad the Obamatrons are doin' em. Just shoot me.
43 posted on 11/07/2008 10:49:40 AM PST by atc23 (Community Organizer? You mean Street Hustler?)
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To: Traviswf

IF you recall, Bush also ran as a uniter in ‘00, based on his experience as Governor of Texas working with Dems in the legislature. The other side never, ever gave him a chance. Conversely, Obama has NO history of reaching across the aisle. If Sen. McCain voted with the president 90% of the time, Obama voted with Harry Reid 98% of the time.

Maybe the GOP will not reciprocate in kind.


44 posted on 11/07/2008 10:49:45 AM PST by EDINVA
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It’s nice to see you’re pro-2nd amendment stance, as well as your genuine love of this country, but it’s the same Liberal argument on Iraq vs Afghanistan I’ve heard many, many times over and it still holds no water

Iraq was the crossroads of terrorism; Sadaam was choking the very life out of the entire country. Hundreds of thousands were murdered in gas chambers, the Baath party crushed all dissenters, and many known and notable terrorists deemed just as dangerous as Bin Laden were being granted asylum and continued to plot our downfall, as well as that of our allies

Obama wants to bring the fight to Afghanistan at the cost of rushing of Iraq why exactly? You seem to see the bigger “picture” of international conflicts being vital, which for a Democrat is refreshing, and yet you can honestly stay objected to the war in Iraq? Intellectual dishonesty


45 posted on 11/07/2008 10:50:00 AM PST by swordfishtrombone
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To: Traviswf

Come on guys, this is a rather gracious Obama voter. Give him (her) credit.

I respect your candidness about your feelings after the elections, and your sincere empathy for the disappointment here.

I’m afraid your guy has set himself up to disappoint you even more than GW did to us, because you do have to admit he does have some pretty big promises to keep.

I’d like to hear your predictions and hopes for the Obama years.


46 posted on 11/07/2008 10:50:02 AM PST by MNDude
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To: Traviswf; TigersEye

You want to know what I feel? I feel like he is fullva manure & there are too many people who liked the smell of it IMHO. And I am scared for this country. I hope he & your dems don’t make a bigger mess of this country. I refuse to sugarcoat it for you....I am worried, very worried.


47 posted on 11/07/2008 10:50:18 AM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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To: Traviswf

“He’s also not a socialist. And he’s not coming for your guns.”

“Universal Voluntary Service” is an Orwellian oxymoron. To those of us with a grasp of the English language it sounds very much like a proposal to bring back slavery. What’s your take on it Travis? You voted for the guy.


48 posted on 11/07/2008 10:50:22 AM PST by devere
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To: justkate

I buying lots of popcorn in anticipation of when the disillusionment sets in. He has already backtracking on two promises and he has only been elected three days!


49 posted on 11/07/2008 10:50:32 AM PST by nuf said (I am, therefore I think.)
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To: Traviswf

Thanks for posting. How does it feel to be one of the newly minted “rich”?

That was a rhetorical question. Here’s a real question. Your decision to answer or not will tell me a lot about your character:

In your point of view, what do you think the goverment can do better for you than you could do for yourself given the opportunity?


50 posted on 11/07/2008 10:50:48 AM PST by Doohickey (The more cynical you become, the better off you'll be.)
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