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Obama Citizenship Accusations Come to a Head
New American ^ | December 8, 2008 | KURT WILLIAMSEN

Posted on 12/02/2008 3:11:01 PM PST by hamboy

Obama Citizenship Accusations Come to a Head

As we have reported earlier in our article "Barack Obama and the Citizenship Scandal," it has been alleged that Barack Obama is ineligible to become president for two reasons: evidence has come forward that Obama was born in Kenya, not the United States as required by the Constitution (because only one of Obama's parents is an American); and even if he was born here, his mother relinquished his citizenship by marrying an Indonesian and becoming a naturalized Indonesian citizen.

This story has gained credence, separating it from Internet rumors, because Obama has reputedly hired three law firms (firms, not lawyers) to make sure that no one gets access to his birth records in Hawaii or his college transcripts from Occidental College and Harvard. (It is speculated that the transcripts will show he applied for aid to foreign students.)

Philip J. Berg, a lifelong Democrat, sued to see Obama's original birth certificate, but a court ruled that because Berg was not in some way harmed by Obama — monetarily, physically, or reputation-wise — he was not a plaintiff in good standing. This action by the court put a temporary end to the belief that we would ever know the answer to the accusations. But now the claim is flaring up again for several reasons:

• Alan Keyes, a presidential candidate of the American Independent Party, and Markham Robinson, a California elector, have now sued to see Obama's birth certificate (these men would definitely have legal "standing" to sue as plaintiffs in this case).

• The We the People Foundation took out a full-page ad in the Chicago Tribune about the scandal.

• On Friday, December 5, the Supreme Court will have a "conference" on the question of Obama's citizenship. (If four out of the nine justices vote to hear the case, oral arguments may be scheduled.)

Obama supporters have derided attempts to challenge Obama's citizenship as merely sour grapes by sore losers, and they point to the website FactChect.org, as well as a statement by Hawaii's Department of Health Director who said Obama has a legitimate birth certificate, as proof of their rightness. (Various quotes by Obama's supporters also make it clear that they don't care whether or not he was born in the United States, or whether or not the Constitution is upheld.)

Those pressing the issue note that FactCheck.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center and that Obama was on the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. They note also that Hawaiian Health Department officials did not state that Obama has an original birth certificate from Hawaii. In fact, what Obama has given to FactCheck.org to prove his citizenship is not a birth certificate, but a certificate of live birth, something that would not ordinarily be accepted as legal proof of citizenship. Also, it is suspicious that no doctors or nurses have come forward and said that they were at Obama's birth in Hawaii, but Obama's grandmother in Kenya has been taped saying that she was at his birth in Kenya.

Is Obama hiding something? Most likely yes. A person just doesn't spend something on the order of hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep one's birth records a secret unless one has something to hide. I personally have had to provide my birth certificate to several employers before they would agree to hire me. For a normal person, showing one's birth certificate is not a big deal. I've also had to give out my college records — again, not a big deal.

But that leads to important questions: should this be pursued, and will it succeed?

Yes, it should be pursued because to ignore it is to say that the Constitution is no longer the law of the land and is instead just an old piece of paper. Will it succeed? In my opinion, no. Neither the Supreme Court, nor the electors who will soon cast their votes for president, are impartial bodies. But that is not an argument for not pursuing it.

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1 posted on 12/02/2008 3:11:01 PM PST by hamboy
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To: hamboy
...his college transcripts from Occidental College and Harvard. (It is speculated that the transcripts will show he applied for aid to foreign students.)

Sad to think that there is not a single honest present or former employee of either college who will come forward to refute or confirm this speculation. Is it fear, or just the opportunity to aid "The One" that keeps them silent?

2 posted on 12/02/2008 3:19:24 PM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: hamboy

To get my carry license for a weapon in Tennessee I had to provide a certified copy of my actual Washington, D.C. record of birth. This is my Republic. This Chicago thuggish prick is applying to be the president of My Republic. He is bound by Constitutional requirement to provide proof to We The People that he is eligible according to Constitutional parameters.


3 posted on 12/02/2008 3:19:37 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: hamboy
"Neither the Supreme Court, nor the electors who will soon cast their votes for president, are impartial bodies."

That's too obviously true. HOWEVER, I don't see legal minds of the caliber of Roberts, Scalia, and 3 or 4 other justices just shrugging this issue aside. Would these types of minds and egos want their reputation for all time to reflect that they just didn't give a damn about the plain wording of the Constitution?

That makes no sense to me at all.

4 posted on 12/02/2008 3:20:01 PM PST by willgolfforfood
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To: hamboy

I imagine the writer has already prepared his “It’s all a put up job !” screed for that time-not far distant- when the Supreme Court examines what passes for “evidence”,and sends the assorted litigants packing.

If this is such a factual story, I wonder why we have 13 or 14 “sock puppets” - most of whom sound alike - attempting to Google bomb the internet ??


5 posted on 12/02/2008 3:20:54 PM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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To: hamboy
He was smuggled into Hawaii from Kenya in a suitcase in 1960, surviving 3 check-ins.

His American "grandparents" got paid to say he was theirs.

He traveled on a Kenyan passport on his recent trip to Afghanistan, Iraq, and Germany.

The State government of Hawaii, the U.S. State Department, and the Illinois Bar Association are all in on the cover-up.
6 posted on 12/02/2008 3:21:16 PM PST by kenavi
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To: JimRed

You ask such a question knowing the aforementioned educational institutions are infestations of liberalism and growing gardens of Marxist perspective.


7 posted on 12/02/2008 3:21:33 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: JimRed

“Sad to think that there is not a single honest present or former employee of either college who will come forward to refute or confirm this speculation. Is it fear, or just the opportunity to aid “The One” that keeps them silent? “

From what I’ve read about his Columbia days, no one remembers him.


8 posted on 12/02/2008 3:26:08 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: hamboy

“...have had to provide my birth certificate to several employers ...”

It becomes more and more obvious that he doesn’t believe that his employers are the American citizens!


9 posted on 12/02/2008 3:29:26 PM PST by quintr
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To: JimRed

I had to provide a certified copy of my birth certificate to replace my driver’s license and social security card.


10 posted on 12/02/2008 3:30:08 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: AuntB
"From what I’ve read about his Columbia days, no one remembers him."

Uh, Men in Black, with pencil shaped, mind erasers.

11 posted on 12/02/2008 3:30:15 PM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: kenavi
Your arguments are not relevant to the case. All Obama has to do is prove he was born in Hawaii as he claimed.

That's such a simple task that millions of people can do it without hiring a single lawyer.

Time for Obama to do it.

12 posted on 12/02/2008 3:31:30 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: AuntB
“Sad to think that there is not a single honest present or former employee of either college who will come forward to refute or confirm this speculation. Is it fear, or just the opportunity to aid “The One” that keeps them silent? “

From what I’ve read about his Columbia days, no one remembers him.

His whole history is like that.
Nobody remembers him except people that are in jail, Africa or homeless.

13 posted on 12/02/2008 3:32:20 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: hamboy

Interesting to hear about the “aid to foreign students” angle.

But unless someone can temporarily convince some record-keeper that Obama is a Republican, I doubt anyone will come forward with details.


14 posted on 12/02/2008 3:32:42 PM PST by cvq3842
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To: muawiyah

FOX just reported on this during Brett Baer’s bottom of the hour summary...

Is there traction being gained by the blogosphere’s activity on this question?

Hmmmm???


15 posted on 12/02/2008 3:33:49 PM PST by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President!)
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To: MHGinTN
...educational institutions are infestations of liberalism and growing gardens of Marxist perspective.

You're right, of course, and if they stepped up to refute the charges and were proven liars later, wouldn't they rate a promotion?

;^)

16 posted on 12/02/2008 3:35:04 PM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: hamboy

It would be a catastrophe if this little creep came to vindicate himself by shaming us and all of America in any way shape or form.

It’s ridiculous.

The world is watching.

If we cower, they will gloat and dismiss us.

There lays the crux of it all and why it’s been covered up.

Obama, the muslim marxist shame twisting con-artist.

But, hey, nowadays gays make Christians guilty, abortionists make the child guilty, pedophiles make the child guilty, terrorists make the citizenry guilty.

Heck, even Bush feels guilty to no end lately.

It’s time America had a talk about this and how much we are at risk from foreign takeover and slavery as a result.

We profess, the cover up, like rapists in shame running scared, before they murder their victims into quietness.

Rewriting history, they think they can... not.


17 posted on 12/02/2008 3:35:36 PM PST by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: Bon mots

“His whole history is like that.
Nobody remembers him except people that are in jail, Africa or homeless.”

Or dead.


18 posted on 12/02/2008 3:36:35 PM PST by Salamander (Blue Oyster Cult: The soundtrack for the revolution.)
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To: cvq3842

“Interesting to hear about the “aid to foreign students” angle.

But unless someone can temporarily convince some record-keeper that Obama is a Republican, I doubt anyone will come forward with details.”

An interesting perspective on this was offered in another thread yesterday. Basically it said, since it is CLEAR that Obama plans on keeping his B.C. under wraps, it makes him an easy target for blackmail ,,,,from other parties, other governments, KGB, etc. He is not helping himself OR his country because this could very easily not only be a Constitutional issue, it could be a security issue.


19 posted on 12/02/2008 3:38:22 PM PST by austinaero
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To: muawiyah

My take is Zero will remain Zero and will say Zero.

It’s a vicious mean to use the truth, the professed truth, against itself, while the quiet zero nothing has nothing to say nor nothing is said about him.

They want to prosecute the truth, to use the Word against us and against Itself. Meanwhile Obama will keep with vagarities and vagueness of hope and change and BS and people will say it is genius.

It’s nihilist tactic.


20 posted on 12/02/2008 3:39:01 PM PST by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: JimRed

Oh yeah, we’ve even seen it for real! I see you fully understand them.


21 posted on 12/02/2008 3:41:00 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: austinaero

I read about the blackmail aspect of it all. It’s very dangerous as to who may bribe him and what he will give in to because they have the goods on him. With no one knowing anything about his background it makes the thought very real. What we do know, is that he associated with America haters that probably know all about him-citizenship included.


22 posted on 12/02/2008 3:44:36 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: MHGinTN

Time for a revolution if the Constitution is not upheld.


23 posted on 12/02/2008 3:47:14 PM PST by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Really! It's time; NOW)
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To: hamboy

I was beginning to thing SCOTUS is going to treat this as a “Poison chalice” a term I think thats used in law circles that implies the case is too poisonous to proceed, like having proof Jesus was an alien scenario.

Well unless they come up with Obamas history I am about to remotely think maybe he is an alien.

Why doesn’t somebody come up with a documentary of his life, they do it all the time on History channel, or would that really tear things up?

Its going to happen day after day, week after week, not a minutes respite for the next 4 plus years, America will know everything about their Messiah.

We will canvass his schools, we will find his friends, we will have video on Youtube with relatives in Kenya.

We will not stop.


24 posted on 12/02/2008 3:47:22 PM PST by Eye of Unk (Americans should lead America, its the right way.)
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To: willgolfforfood
That's too obviously true. HOWEVER, I don't see legal minds of the caliber of Roberts, Scalia, and 3 or 4 other justices just shrugging this issue aside. Would these types of minds and egos want their reputation for all time to reflect that they just didn't give a damn about the plain wording of the Constitution?
That makes no sense to me at all.


I would like to believe that Chief Justice Roberts, along with Justices Scalia, Alito and Thomas will constitute the 4 judges that will choose to take up this issue. I cannot imagine those four jurists deciding that to determine the eligibility of an alleged natural citizen to serve in the highest office in the Land is an inconsequential matter.

If they fail to address this issue properly, our Republic is lost.
25 posted on 12/02/2008 3:49:10 PM PST by mkjessup (The lamestream media WELCOMES our new Communist/Obamunist Overlords & Politburo!)
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To: Eye of Unk
I am about to remotely think maybe he is an alien.

From planet Unk?

26 posted on 12/02/2008 3:50:17 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Everytime they open their mouth they shoot themselves in the foot.)
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To: hamboy

After months of following this story - then giving it up as hopeless - I’m feeling faint embers of hope again. This guy’s a fraud, and whether he’s a natural born citizen or not he’s hiding SOMETHING. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a paper that clearly said “Religion: Muslim” in his own handwriting. “I am not now, nor have I ever been, a Muslim” could twin right up with the previous big Presidential doozy: “I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky”


27 posted on 12/02/2008 3:51:52 PM PST by COgamer
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To: mkjessup
Justice Roberts can just refer to the words of Zero himself.

"Let me also say that I remain distressed that the White House during this confirmation process, which overall went smoothly, failed to provide critical documents as part of the record that could have provided us with a better basis to make our judgment with respect to the nomination. This White House continues to stymie efforts on the part of the Senate to do its job. I hope with the next nominee who comes up for the Supreme Court that the White House recognizes that in fact it is its duty not just to the Senate but to the American people to make sure we can thoroughly and adequately evaluate the record of every single nominee who comes before us."

Remarks of Senator Barack Obama on the Confirmation of Judge John Roberts
28 posted on 12/02/2008 3:53:49 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: JimRed

“Is it fear, or just the opportunity to aid “The One” that keeps them silent?”

FERPA makes it illegal.
http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/index.html


29 posted on 12/02/2008 3:54:18 PM PST by DrC
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To: Revolting cat!

Obama is the ineligible appointing ineligibles.


30 posted on 12/02/2008 3:54:47 PM PST by Eye of Unk (Americans should lead America, its the right way.)
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To: Eye of Unk
We will canvass his schools, we will find his friends

Karl Rove made an odd comment several weeks ago, about how Ken Mehlman and he would discuss their "mutual friend," Barack Obama.

It seems that Melman and Obama have been friends since law school, according to Rove.

31 posted on 12/02/2008 3:57:18 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: hamboy

“to say that the Constitution is no longer the law of the land and is instead just an old piece of paper.”

Is the same as saying that the US Supreme Court is no longer Credible and should be disbanded.

Of course this will be pursued, and it will succeed !

IMO: this entire cheraid is a prop for the eventual decay of the DNC. We’ll look back on all this next year, With “W” firmly at the helm, (after emergency session of Congress to extend his presidency) during the explosive NEW economy that is yet to come.


32 posted on 12/02/2008 4:04:08 PM PST by CheezyChesster (Obama is the wooden stake as the Democratic party is the Vampier)
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To: AuntB

That’s what I heard — that nobody whow was at Columbia then remembers him. Wouldn’t ya just think at least one person would remember the oh-so-charismatic Messiah?!? Doubtful that he ever attended.

This guy is a legend in his own mind; a monumental empty suit. America was so bamboozled.


33 posted on 12/02/2008 4:04:26 PM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: dirtymac
Time for a revolution if the Constitution is not upheld.

If there is any issue that is fundamentally important to the Supreme Court, it should be that of what constitutes citizenship, and the right appertaining thereto. It that does not matter to them, the Constitution is meaningless and we are all in very deep trouble.

34 posted on 12/02/2008 4:04:43 PM PST by Starboard
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To: kenavi

“He traveled on a Kenyan passport on his recent trip to Afghanistan”

Was it Kenyan or Indonesian?


35 posted on 12/02/2008 4:07:07 PM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: cripplecreek
I hope with the next nominee who comes up for the Supreme Court that the White House recognizes that in fact it is its duty not just to the Senate but to the American people to make sure we can thoroughly and adequately evaluate the record of every single nominee who comes before us."

Great find! Obama's words need to be used against him.

36 posted on 12/02/2008 4:10:00 PM PST by Starboard
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To: genefromjersey

Sorry, but I cannot understand a thing that you just said. Can you explain what you mean?


37 posted on 12/02/2008 4:13:33 PM PST by Honor above all (I'm only here to help.)
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To: mkjessup
If they fail to address this issue properly, our Republic is lost.

One of the major goals of Gramscian marxism is to destroy the people's confidence in their major institutions, such as the electoral processes, government entities, academia, churches, etc., through corruption, infiltration, incremental changes, twisting of language, -- what Gramsci called, "the long march through the institutions."

We've already lost too much. This is the jumping-off place, and there is no place left to run or hide.

The United States is a creation of the states and the people, an agreement to unite as a nation of states; the US Constitution is the contract that binds the compact between the states, and the people of those states. If the US Constitution is rendered void by some magnanimous or flippant ruling, then the nation it represents is simply void.

The only legitimate entities will be the people and the states, and whatever other entities they may choose to construct for their future wellbeing.

All those federal people running around with uniforms and guns will be just so many armed thugs, with no legitimate authority. That would make our good ole US of A like just about any place in Africa.

38 posted on 12/02/2008 4:27:34 PM PST by meadsjn (Socialists promote neighbors selling out their neighbors; Free Traitors promote just the opposite.)
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To: hamboy

Hillary and Obama have resigned their Senate seats. Won’t it be priceless if Obama is disqualified and the two of them gave up their positions for nothing.


39 posted on 12/02/2008 4:33:38 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: hamboy
As a Conservative, and as a responsible, patriotic American, just ask yourself one simple question. Would your future, the future of your family, the future of the country and the future of the world be better off if Barack Barry Hussein Obama had never been born?

Only one answer to that question.

40 posted on 12/02/2008 4:34:46 PM PST by Doc Savage ("Are you saying Jesus can't hit a curve ball? - Harris to Cerrano - Major League)
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To: SeaHawkFan
Hillary and Obama have resigned their Senate seats. Won’t it be priceless if Obama is disqualified and the two of them gave up their positions for nothing.

Did Hillary resign without prejudice to future uncertainty if SCOUS would rule against Mr. Ω.? IMHO if SCOUS would go against Mr. Ω he might end up in Timbuktu.

41 posted on 12/02/2008 4:42:41 PM PST by hamboy
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To: austinaero

Your analysis makes excellent sense. The KGB would never put someone into a position of power over them unless they could be assured of absolute control over that person. Blackmail only goes so far. I.e. we can expect there will be one or more of his KGB-directed control officers in close proximity to him at almost all times when he’s president.


42 posted on 12/02/2008 4:44:10 PM PST by Justa (The media lied while Americans died.)
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To: hamboy
When I sent an email to The Atlanta Journal Constitution (AJC) asking why they were not covering the fact that 0bama is a foreign-born usurper, I received the following response:

If the U.S. Supreme Court decides to hear any of those cases, that certainly would be a prominent story for the AJC. As of yet, the Supreme Court has not made such a decision. Many people try to get cases heard by the Supreme Court, relatively few make it. So far the legal challenges don't seem to have made headway in the court system of three states. We ran a brief earlier on at least three cases which were thrown out by lower courts.

Matt Kempner AJC Public Editor

He also added the following:

Saturday, 11/1/2008
Countdown 2008: ROAD TO THE WHITE HOUSE CAMPAIGN REPORT
/ From News Services
Hawaii says Obama born there
State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday that she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.
Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the U.S. Earlier Friday, a southwest Ohio magistrate rejected a challenge to Obama's citizenship. Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia recently dismissed similar suits.

43 posted on 12/02/2008 4:44:56 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Just your average "Whitey" - clinging to my guns and religion [and The Constitution])
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Saying that they hold a birth certificate is NOT the same as confirming that he was born in Hawaii. Why can’t people grasp this? Perhaps its because this situation was unique to Hawaii at the time.


44 posted on 12/02/2008 5:04:37 PM PST by Nipfan
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To: hamboy

Has anyone ever seen Fauxbama’s law license? Bar exam results? How do we know he actually graduated from Columbia? Has he proved that he is a “constitutional lawyer”? Every now and then we hear of imposters who con, scam, and fool people for years, pretending they are doctors or other professionals and worming their way into institutions. Through it all, no one thinks to validate the posers’ claims. No one checks out the person. Could that be happening here?


45 posted on 12/02/2008 5:05:25 PM PST by 1951Boomer
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To: The Sons of Liberty

That is not accurate quoting of what the Hawaiian officials said. They never explicitly stated that he was born there.


46 posted on 12/02/2008 5:07:21 PM PST by Starboard
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To: hamboy

I’ve seen allegations that he has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on this, but nothing to back that up. Who are his three law firms, and how does anyone know how much money he’s spent?


47 posted on 12/02/2008 5:08:26 PM PST by Piranha
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To: Doc Savage
You referred to his previous name--Barry. I checked the Illinois Lawyer Search website. Interestingly, his registration says "None" in the field "Full Former Name(s)". It seems he should have provided any former names he may have used in the past.

Source web link:

http://www.iardc.org/ldetail.asp?id=261160553

48 posted on 12/02/2008 5:11:56 PM PST by Starboard
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To: meadsjn
The United States is a creation of the states and the people, an agreement to unite as a nation of states; the US Constitution is the contract that binds the compact between the states, and the people of those states. If the US Constitution is rendered void by some magnanimous or flippant ruling, then the nation it represents is simply void.

With that being said, the union would necessarily be dissolved..

Any lawful foundation for the US Federal government to continue vaporizes and the whole federal bureaucracy would be outlaw because the formative document from which they arise would be gone..
49 posted on 12/02/2008 5:46:54 PM PST by vigilante2 (Thank You Troops)
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To: cripplecreek

Someone should get that to WND for their fax campaign to the Supremes.


50 posted on 12/02/2008 6:08:44 PM PST by RummyChick
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