God or a multiverse?

Guardian ^ | December 8 2008 | Mark Vernon

[metmom]

I vote for multiverse

No accountability that way.

[svcw]

No

[Soliton]

I was referring to this statement by a poster

God, for believers, is the condition without which science cannot even get going; divinity is a final explanation for the laws of science, as a philosopher of religion would say.

I saw something of your "first reality" in this statement sister bird

[tpanther]

I sincerely cannot see how someone can believe in something they can't even define

Describe your love for your children and then tell me you indeed love your children.

I can't define such a thing myself and I love my wife and children deeply.

[Yardstick]

No I'm stating the theory

You mean the theory is that there's all these universes and there's like some geometry and material and stuff?

That's a good theory, man.

[metmom]

I vote for multiverse

"Lots of scientific sounding words. Now let’s see his experiments that have validated his hypothesis. Without it, it is philosophy resulting in an hypothesis, not science."

[Soliton]

I can't define such a thing myself and I love my wife and children deeply.

I am glad you do, but believing in things you don't understand is superstion (Stevie Wonder)

[metmom]

I vote for multiverse

"Lots of scientific sounding words. Now let’s see his experiments that have validated his hypothesis. Without it, it is philosophy resulting in an hypothesis, not science."

Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2144924/posts?page=19#19

Imagine that......

[tpanther]

Define "God"?

If God was definable, He wouldn't BE God.

[Alamo-Girl]

All it is is positing a *source* without it being an entity to which one may have to answer.

LOLOL! Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear metmom!

[metmom]

Stevie Wonder? Oh, yes, that great theological giant.

[Soliton]

If God was definable, He wouldn't BE God.

The Bible describes God. Do you read the Bible?

[Yardstick]

I am glad you do, but believing in things you don't understand is superstion

Would it be reasonable to believe that Soliton possesses consciousness?

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for your reply!

But if Soliton is accurate and what you say that science and God are not compatible, well then you are wrong.

We do not say that at all, quite the contrary.

An astrophysicist reviewer wrote of our book Don't let science get you down, Timothy,

"one of the rare attempts nowadays to restore the unity of science and religion. It presents a good picture of present-day science, focusing on the perennial great questions regarding the relations between Man and the Universe. It attempts the virtually impossible: to present a constructive dialog of diametrically opposed worldviews. It succeeds in opening a challenging avenue of conversation between materialists and open-minded religious people…."

[Yardstick]

Weak. There is a difference in describing and defining.

[Soliton]

But if Soliton is accurate and what you say that science and God are not compatible, well then you are wrong.

He simply misunderstood what I was referring to and either didn't reply to me or I missed it.

Now I see the reason for the confusion. I was referring to your first -second reality dichotomy with God's creation being the first reality (or just reality) and that the laws of physics depending on that reality

[metmom]

I am glad you do, but believing in things you don't understand is superstion (Stevie Wonder)

But you vote for multiverses.

Are you saying that you understand this?

Do you understand string theory?

Do you understand singularity and the origins of the universe?

Do you understand black holes?

Dark matter?

Job 40:6-8 Then the LORD answered Job out of the storm and said,

"Now gird up your loins like a man; I will ask you, and you instruct Me.

"Will you really annul My judgment?

Will you condemn Me that you may be justified?

[Soliton]

Would it be reasonable to believe that Soliton possesses consciousness?

I was stalked on FR by a poster who told everyone I was an artificial intelligence program, so maybe not.

[hellbender]

The multiverse theory is absurd. Talk to me when you can test it

You took the words out of my mouth. Hypotheses which can't be tested, even in principle, do not belong to science. It certainly is ironic that atheists are now the principle practitioners of metaphysics. Talking about multiverses is akin to the way medieval folks allegedly debated how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.

[Yardstick]

Yeah right, I stalked you. I chased you around with a question, framed as an analogy, that you refuse to deal with.

The bottom line is you won’t answer the question because you know it undermines your whole deal here on FR. You demand proof of God yet you can’t even prove the existence of your own mind.