Skip to comments.Why Obama has already lost in Supreme Court v Barack Obama aka Barry Soetoro et al
Posted on 01/11/2009 9:18:59 AM PST by FreeManN
Im smiling so much now because all this time Barack Obama has hired teams of lawyers to go to court and ask to dismiss all these lawsuits that have one similar themeshow proof you were born in the United States.
But now because just one of these nuisance cases (as Obama sees it) has made it to the Supreme Court, the Justices have already out manoeuvred Obama and his team of high priced attorneys.
First, theyve cornered Obama with a move of check by setting a conference date of January 9th (24 hours after congress counts the Electoral Colleges votes) to discuss Bergs writ of certiorari; the case cant be dismissedBerg will have legal standing!
And finally the Supreme Court has made its devastating move of checkmate by allowing a conference on January 16th to discuss Bergs injunction to stop congress in counting the Electoral Colleges votes!
Theres no more wriggle room left for Obama because essentially its a fait accompli by January 9th for him to hand over his evidence to the Justices otherwise, if he doesnt comply by January 16th, the Justices will have it within their power to retroactively cancel the results from the January 8th Electoral Colleges vote count!
So Obama tried to play a game of legal chess against the Supreme Courtwell guess what? Obamayouve already lost! Checkmate!
Correct! Adds strength to the suggestion that Obama is hiding his original birth certificate because he is NOT eligible to be President. Note the amount of legal fees he’s paid to keep it hidden.
Yes, the Supremes take an oath to uphold the Constitution as do all the members of the Military.
bo’s problem is that the only way for the Supremes and the Military to uphold their oaths is to either find bo ineligible or remove him from office.
The least troublesome course is for the SC to find him ineligible before he fraudulently assumes office.
I ordered an M1 Garand through the CMP. I had to send a certified and notarized copy of my ORIGINAL birth certificate.
I moved to a different state. I had to show a certified copy of my ORIGINAL birth certificate to get a new driver’s license.
I opened a business account at the bank I have used for all my accounts for decades. Among the documents requested was a certified copy of my ORIGINAL birth certificate.
The parent(s) of every child entering kindergarten in my county’s public school system must provide a certified copy of that child’s ORIGINAL birth certificate.
The parents of every child currently enrolled and attending any school in any other district who transfers into my county’s district must provide a certified copy of that child’s ORIGINAL birth certificate.
Any person seeking a marriage license in my county must provide a certified copy of their ORIGINAL birth certificate.
Want your kid to play Lamar Little League Baseball—that’d be the Lamar Little League, Member of Texas District 18, Richmond, Texas—then you’re going to have to produce a certified copy of the little slugger’s ORIGINAL birth certificate. (just google “little league baseball birth certificate”)
Want to be a substitute teacher in Merillville, IN? Then you have to provide a certified copy of your ORIGINAL birth certificate. ( just google “teachers licenese birth certificate”)
Any person applying for a passport must provide a certified copy of their ORIGINAL birth certificate.
Want to walk across the bridge from the US side to the Canadian side of Niagara Falls—it’s fun! Everyone should do it at least once! Then you’ll need an ORIGINAL or certified copy of your ORIGINAL birth certificate—or a valid US passport, for which you’ll need, you guessed it: a certified copy of your ORIGINAL birth certificate.
Ya know? It’d be a lot easier to just become president. (/sarc)
No network will run the ad.
SCOTUS is waiting for the results of the Phila NY game. Eagles win and the case move forward, Giants win and it is out.
When Jim wants to turn this forum —a forum that he’s spent more than a decade building into a formidable internet voice for spreading conservatism, into Conspiracy Tin-Foil Republic, he’s welcome to zot my account.
***Is that how you see it, Jim? Why are you so silent on a constitutional issue that has gotten all the way to the SCOTUS and could dislodge a president elect? The fact that this issue has been forwarded 5 times is a sign of legitimacy, and Berg has been forwarded twice — another sign of legitimacy. You’ve got FReepers here who have been around almost as long as you (I signed up 2 months after you) and we are fighting to defend the constitution against trolls like Drew68. We take this Front page/First Sentence seriously
“Statement by FR’s Founder:
In our continuing fight for freedom, for America and our constitution”
and guys like Drew68 ADMIT to logging onto these threads just to be provocateurs.
What’s funny is I haven’t even had as much as a single post removed by the mods. Every last post I’ve written in regards to this conspiracy is still standing. Can you say the same? Didn’t think so.
***No, I cannot say the same. What you state is actually a very, very sad commentary on what is happening to conservatism and the defense of our constitution. Note that it’s the moderators who usually remove posts, not JimRob. One post in particular that should never have been removed was due to “naughty language” but it was two words that hint at alternate meanings, when I have seen much worse (actual words) continue to survive on FR. That’s what FR is coming to — long term freepers get articulate posts removed because of 2 hinted naughty words while trolls like Drew68 get free reign.
I agree with you.
The 9th was Friday, granted Saturday and Sunday nothing would happen ... however
However nothing is being said. I wonder if the USSC will say or do anything. Surely they would not remain silent for an entire week till the 19th.
I too pray they step in and provide a sanity and Constitutional check. There actions in 2000 though don’t provide much help or guidance either. They don’t like politicss and political issues.
If the plaintiff doesn't have standing then how can their case have any merit?
America - enjoy it while it lasts!
Adding him. It is saddening that so many on this thread, while saying they abhor 0bama, express total defeat and hopelessness, and even scorn those who don’t accept total pre-emptive defeat with them. Reminds me of Denethor in the LOTR - he succumbed to the inevitability of the evil Sauron’s victory due to hopelessness and fear, and sneered st those willing to fight. And even hampered their efforts.
Incredible, isn't it?
(Thanks for posting this.)
I think all those examples you listed concern civic activities. The lack of requirement of an original, certified and notarized birth certificate seems to come up only when the activity is political in nature (e.g. voting rights / voter ID cases, and of course the BO POTUS birth certificate cases currently under discussion).
Yes they do. Every eligible case submitted to the Supreme Court has to be reviewed by the justices. All 8000-plus per year. Sometimes the justice for the district where it was filed will deny it. But then the plaintiff can take it to the other justices individually. Scheduling it for conference settles the matter once and for all. Only through a vote in conference can a case be scheduled for a hearing before the whole court. If it doesn't make it out of conference then it's dead.
I believe the results of the Friday conference will be released at 10:00 AM on Monday.
I think you have an idea but you like being the provocateur.
But here it is anyway.
Meritorious law - A case taken by the court on legal arguments by citing statutes and authority, and if where the defendant wins the case based on their argument against the claim, then the case may be considered meritless.
Standing - the plaintiff has to show damage or being an injured party for the court to take action, to hear the merits of the case.
Welcome to the troll list. We're thinking of having tee shirts made.
Indeed it is weird and there are so many other things as well. He admitted as did mo that he was adopted. We know for a fact that he was name Barry Soetoro(sp?) when he attended school in Indonesia. Why did he lie and say he had never gone by any other names? I think because he didn't want them to know because then they might go nosing around and find something and back then he hadn't had time nor the inclination to hide and scrub things clean. I didn't vote for Clinton, did I think he and Hill are shady? Hell yes. They are a pay to play team. But I never for one minute doubted who they were. There past was well documented. Clinton didn't attend school in Indonesia and have a different name and list his religion as Muslim, Zer0 has never really addressed the name change issue. He sticks his fat nose in the air and dismisses the questions. I also believe he traveled on an Indonesian passport under the name BS. If he released his bc in Hawaii, all passports, and ALL medical records and let the hospital where he was born verify that he was born there, I would be satisfied that he was legit. As far as being a dual citizen at birth, I feel he isn't eligible, however that would be up to the courts to decide how they want to interpret the Constitution.
>>>To me it is more of an amusement how people can be played by Berg on their hopes. Ring a bell?<<<
Star Traveller, NS, and now this brand new joker all express great merriment and amusement. The upcoming inauguration of an evil, lying, criminal thug who most likely is not even constitutionally eligible to be president fills them with scornful glee. What kind of person has this reaction?
When people reply to DE88, they could copy his revealing little piece of scat above.
You're not the only one wondering about that. I've stopped listening to Rush, Hannity and Levin over this issue. Glad to see that at least Jim hasn't shut down discussion of this issue.
So how's it going getting a court to take the case based on it's 'merit'?
FYI and the next time someone asks ‘what law firms?’ and/or for those who can’t figure out that lawyers are much more expensive than a ~$12 birth certificate:
Ballard Spahr Andrews and Ingersoll - big old philly law firm
Sandler Reiff and Young - DNC
Perkins Coie - Obama for America
I hadn’t even contemplated what would happen if bo’s allies bomb the Supreme Court and kill all the Justices.
I guess the only way to restore order would be for the Military to take over the Government and then we are just another Pakistan.
How much does it cost to file a motion to dismiss as this has been the only legal action that has been taken on Obama's behalf regarding the BC controversy
Ask those 3 law firms to give you an estimate if you really want to know a more exact figure.
Well I can't speak for others, but I look in on sites like this because I find most of your arguements hilarious. I mean come on! When lead articles contain chestnuts like "...the Justices will have it within their power to retroactively cancel the results from the January 8th Electoral Colleges vote count!" then how can you not just shake your heads in amazement at the sheer bloody lunacy of what's being put out there? The Supreme Court has the power to cancel an election's results? What clause of the Constitution did they misread in order to come up with that?
None of these post-election cases have been dismissed for lack of standing in the lower courts. The pre-election cases (against McCain) were, because there was no harm incurred before that point.
The SCOTUS simply has not granted cert to any of these petitions to date, which I would interpret as a) they see no reason to interpret the term "natural born citizen" as anything other than a citizen born on US soil, regardless of the citizenship status of the parent(s); b) there has been no credible proof presented to question the State of Hawaii's Certification of Live Birth; c) SCOTUS does not agree with the argument that the various SOS's, or any other entity, are required by law to demand an original birth certificate as a requirement for certification of a candidate. IOW, the SOS's, and the Dem Party are simply performing a rubber-stamp operation, as they've done with every other election in our history. To change the rules now would be discriminatory.
Berg's case has always seemed to me the most frivolous of all -- a veritable "kitchen-sink" of unproved assertions. (It may have been pared down in the meantime, but I have followed it for a while.) In addition, he didn't follow the preferred route to the SCOTUS -- bypassing the lower state court to file at the state Supreme Court level -- which has dragged the case out for months, probably intentionally.
I have no idea where Obama was born. But if he’s not a “natural born citizen” then according to the Constitution he’s ineligible to assume the presidency. Other than that, I don’t have a whole lot to add to the conversation at this time.
Will be interesting to see what the SCOTUS does with it. If they take the case and discover that he’s not a natural born citizen then they should declare him ineligible and call for a new election. If they discover that he’s not a natural born citizen but do nothing, then it’s up to We the People. If he proves to the court’s satisfaction that he is a natural born citizen then that’s the end of it.
Hmm let me think.... not sure but probably not nearly as much as it costs to pay hundreds of damage control bloggers to work round the clock, like you. Even though you probably make less than minimum wage it allows you to sit on your *ss all day and look like a bo brown noser. I guess you just leave birth certificate in the search box and run when you see it. Pathetic. Of course zer0 has unlimited funds from the likes of Soro's and all of his unnamed foreign contributors. Enough of your boring talking points. run on back to Axelrod and report that you had an unsuccessful day on FR and that you were spotted right away.
Original, vault copy of Certificate of Live Birth in the USA Not Released (1 version hidden in Hawaii, Original found in Kenya)
Certificate of Live Birth Released - Proven Counterfeit (www.ObamaFiles.com)
Obama/Dunham marriage license Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license Not released
Soetoro adoption records Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application Not Released
Punahou School records Not released
Selective Service Registration Released - Proven Counterfeit
Occidental College records Not released
Passport (Pakistan) Not released
Columbia College records Not released
Columbia thesis Not released
Harvard College records Not released
Harvard Law Review articles None (maybe 1, Not Signed)
Baptism certificate None
Medical records Not released
Illinois State Senate records None (Locked up to prohibit public view
Illinois State Senate schedule Lost (All other Illinois state senators records are intact)
Law practice client list Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles None
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Highly unlikely that he works for Axlerod.
What is most amusing is how astonishing ignorant the obots are.
De88 for example states that Berg filed in State Court. He filed in Federal Court.
bo’s enire team is full of utter fools who have no idea how ignorant they are.
I keep seeing this “kitchen sink” criticism of the Berg & Taitz cases. Of course, the threw the kitchen sink at bo. That’s what any good lawyer does. It is malpractice to do otherwise. If you can legitimately make a claim in good faith, you do so. Berg did. Taitz did. Donofrio limited his claim to NBC and as a result, Donofrio’s case was dismissed.
Think about it in terms of a criminal prosecution. If you think a defendant is guilty of 10 charges of fraud, you don’t limit your case to the one case of fraud that you consider strongest. You don’t know what might happen in discovery, so you do your due diligence and press on with all your claims like Berg and Taitz did.
Thanks Jim. I can assure you I don't work for Axlerod. I work on Sikorsky H-60 helicopters for the United States Navy.
Half of the vote counted may have been tallied for him, but half of the population did not vote for him when less than half of the population voted.
There are tapes of bo campaigning with Cousin Odinga in Kenya back in 2006, where bo agrees with Odingas anti-American sentiments and says the American national anthem is a racist, violent war song and must be replaced with something passive, peaceful and wholly secular. This or a bc issue is what I think Bill and Hillary may have on bo.
MO believes that the Clinton Global Initiative is responsible for tribal violence and deaths in Africa. She detests Hillary yet he quickly appointed Hill to SOS? Bill Clinton made that cute little remark that if bo was ELLIGIBLE under our CONSTITUTION then he had no problem with his candidacy. Makes me pause and think.
What about bo's presence at a 2003 dinner where Palestinian Rhashid Khalidi was honored, amongst frequent calls for the immediate destruction of the state of Israel. bo and mo attended this hatefest, smiling throughout, with of Bernadine Dohrn and William Ayers. The LA times has these tapes, admitted they have them, refuses to release them. Why?
It's articles like this one below that make me not trust this man. They always say you can tell a lot about a person by looking at their friends;
Mideast Parley Takes Ugly Turn At Columbia U. Letter From Morningside By SOL STERN and FRED SIEGEL, Special to the Sun | February 4, 2005
You might think that Columbia University would be on its best academic behavior on the issue of the Middle East conflict these days. After all, several professors in the Department of Middle Eastern Languages and Cultures, known as MEALAC, are credibly accused of anti-Semitism and intimidating pro-Israel students. The university's president, Lee Bollinger, has appointed a committee to look into the charges. But even with the media spotlight on, Columbia apparently can't help itself.
Last Monday night we attended a university panel on the Middle East conflict titled "One State or Two? Alternative Proposals for Middle East Peace." Even the panel's title was a giveaway that we were in for more anti-Israel bias on campus. The "one state" solution is a euphemism for the destruction of the Jewish state - a trope of the most extreme rejectionist elements within the Palestinian movement and their allies in Syria and Iran. Terrorist groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah want to create an Islamic Republic in place of Israel.
A few splinter Marxist groups such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, founded by George Habash, offer the Jews a solution that's far more "progressive." They murder innocents merely to replace Israel with a "secular democratic" Palestine. The scene at Columbia, with Spartacists handing out literature outside the packed auditorium and proponents of Palestinian military victory in the vast majority, was wildly at odds with the hopeful development on the ground, where Messrs. Sharon and Abbas are now scheduled to meet. One of the panelists was Mark Cohen, a Princeton historian of medieval Islam.
He gave a measured scholarly presentation on the subject of Arab Muslim antisemitism, insisting that attacks on Jews in the Koran had little to do with hostility to Jews. It's a debatable proposition. But professor Cohen never even engaged the issue at hand. He largely served as a prop for the ranting to follow. Rashid Khalidi, a Columbia professor whose recent book argues that Yasser Arafat was right to reject the best peace deal he had ever been offered, opening the way to four years of bloodshed, presented a tendentious argument for a one-state solution that strained to stay within the bounds of reasoned discourse. Then Joseph Massad took the floor, and the floodgates of hatred opened wide.
Mr. Massad is one of the MEALAC professors accused of demanding of one Israeli student, "How many Palestinians did you kill today?" At the forum, he used the phrase "racist Israeli state" more than two dozen times. He used seemingly universalist language of anti-racism to drive a fascist argument. Mr. Massad is so extreme that he argued that Arafat was in effect an Israeli collaborator for even talking about compromise. Whatever can be said of this rant, its "academic" content was hard to discern. But to judge by the applause he received, Mr. Massad was the star of the evening.
Obviously, Mr. Massad, an acolyte of the dear departed George Habash, isn't worried about President Bollinger's panel, which includes three professors who have signed petitions demanding that all universities divest from Israel. The final act of hatred came from the Israeli quisling "historian" Ilan Pappe, who has stated openly that his so-called scholarly work is an attempt to create a counter narrative to official Zionist historiography and to undermine the international legitimacy of the state of Israel.
He bizarrely insisted that the destruction of Israel would pave the way for enhanced rights for women, and the feminist students in the audience cheered. Instead of providing an alternative to hatred and extremism from both sides, this panel was a hate-fest masquerading as academic discourse. And this was no aberration attributable only to one misguided student group.
In addition to Qanun, a Columbia Law School student group, the panel was cosponsored by the university chaplain, the Student Senate, and two of Columbia's most prestigious academic affiliates: the Middle East Institute, headed by professor Khalidi, and the School of International and Public Affairs. SIPA's dean, Lisa Anderson, was appointed by Mr. Bollinger to the committee looking into the charges against professor Massad - whose dissertation adviser she was.
Coming away from Monday night's hate panel and then looking at this tangled web of conflicts of interest within the university, we realized that the issue of misconduct in the classroom by one or two professors, important though it is, is dwarfed by a more fundamental question: How did a great institution of higher learning allow itself to be transformed into a platform for vicious political propaganda and hate speech directed against one country, Israel?
Surely one crucial moment in this transformation was Columbia's decision to raise $4 million - including a contribution from the United Arab Emirates - to create the Edward Said endowed chair in Arab studies, and then to give the prize to professor Khalidi. We don't doubt that Mr. Khalidi has academic credentials. Compared to professors Massad and Pappe, he is a model of decorum and moderation. But when Columbia academic officials made this choice they knew they were getting a Palestinian political activist.
From 1976 to 1982, Mr. Khalidi was a director in Beirut of the official Palestinian press agency, WAFA. Later he served on the PLO "guidance committee" at the Madrid peace conference. In bringing professor Khalidi to Morningside Heights from the University of Chicago, Columbia also got itself a twofer of Palestinian activism and advocacy. Mr. Khalidi's wife, Mona, who also served in Beirut as chief editor of the English section of the WAFA press agency, was hired as dean of foreign students at Columbia's SIPA, working under Dean Anderson.
In Chicago, the Khalidis founded the Arab American Action Network, and Mona Khalidi served as its president. A big farewell dinner was held in their honor by AAAN with a commemorative book filled with testimonials from their friends and political allies. These included the left wing anti-war group Not In My Name, the Electronic Intifada, and the ex-Weatherman domestic terrorists Bernadine Dohrn and Bill Ayers. There were also testimonials from then-state Senator Barack Obama and the mayor of Chicago.
The message sent by Columbia University officials by this choice was that they were determined to honor the memory of Edward Said by continuing to have radical Palestinian activism on campus. That's what they now have in spades. The question is whether it's now possible within the university's public space to even make an argument for the only democratic country in the Middle East.
bo called Midwesterners bitter gun-and-religion-clingers apathetic to all those who are not like them. Yet he thinks nothing of sitting through a dinner where radicals spout hate because these are the same Hyde Park Chicago pseudo-intellectual radicals who think theres nothing wrong with Bernadine Dorhn and William Ayers running daycare centers or teaching in universities.
Bad potato. But it isn’t going to be solved by the likes of Berg. He is grasping at straws, and likely making a good sum of cash while doing so.
<”there has been no credible proof presented to question the State of Hawaii’s Certification of Live Birth”;>
Exactly! Which is why this will never end up going anywhere. You show the proof or evidence that something was done, then show harm.
Berg has tried to suggest there was harm without evidence something being done.
BTTT for 0bama law firm info.
Thank you, Jim.
What was you previous handle at FR?
Are you really that ignorant of the facts? Your messiah has never released his ‘BC’ only a non-official certification of live birth which appears to be a forgery.
Today is the 11th....so what happened at the conference on the 9th....?
We will know sometime Monday morning. Here is the link to watch on Monday morning.
We have evidence that Obama was born in Kenya, but nothing from Hawaii. When someone hides something, they have something to hide. I believe Obama is NOT eligible for the Presidency.
The SCOTUS is extremely technical. No, they don’t bring cases up to conference based on courtesy. The Justice has to either a) believe there is merit or b) want to see the petition ‘die in committee.’
What is going on here, I have no clue. If memory serves, Robers, Scalia and Thomas have each now brought one of these cases to Conference, so it seems they do want any constitutional questions resolved.
Why Obama couldn’t just produce a certified copy of his birth certificate is beyond me.
Except the online published Obama COLB is most likely a forgery based on empirical evidence.
“Doing so would make the right wing look foolish.
Not doing so makes him seem foolish.”
I just wish Barack Hussien Obama aka Barry Soetoro would make me look very, very foolish! And just think, all he has to do is show some records he has sealed away from the American public.
Sinple records like his original birth certificate (long form), his document showing when he changed his name back from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussien Obama, his college applications. That should be very easy to supply but seems he just won’t do it.
I hope you are feeling better these days. You should live to 100 plus years. Long live the FreeRepublic. ;-)
Thank you very much!!