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Don’t Call it “Darwinism” [religiously defended as "science" by Godless Darwinists]
springerlink ^ | 16 January 2009 | Eugenie C. Scott and Glenn Branch

Posted on 01/28/2009 11:36:17 AM PST by Coyoteman

We will see and hear the term “Darwinism” a lot during 2009, a year during which scientists, teachers, and others who delight in the accomplishments of modern biology will commemorate the 200th anniversary of Darwin’s birth and the 150th anniversary of the publication of On the Origin of Species. But what does “Darwinism” mean? And how is it used? At best, the phrase is ambiguous and misleading about science. At worst, its use echoes a creationist strategy to demonize evolution.

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In summary, then, “Darwinism” is an ambiguous term that impairs communication even about Darwin’s own ideas. It fails to convey the full panoply of modern evolutionary biology accurately, and it fosters the inaccurate perception that the field stagnated for 150 years after Darwin’s day. Moreover, creationists use “Darwinism” to frame evolutionary biology as an ism or ideology, and the public understanding of evolution and science suffers as a result. True, in science, we do not shape our research because of what creationists claim about our subject matter. But when we are in the classroom or otherwise dealing with the public understanding of science, it is entirely appropriate to consider whether what we say may be misunderstood. We cannot expect to change preconceptions if we are not willing to avoid exacerbating them. A first step is eschewing the careless use of “Darwinism.”

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TOPICS: Education; Science
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; intelligentdesign; notasciencetopic; oldearthspeculation; piltdownman; propellerbeanie; spammer; toe
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To: metmom
The *big bang* confirms the Bible's declaration of *In the beginning....*

Remember? You posted that drivel before and I tore it apart?

Please, MetMom, remember our earlier conversations. I get tired of repeating myself. Thank you.

321 posted on 01/28/2009 8:44:58 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: CE2949BB

Why do you call it simple and childish just because it’s concise?


322 posted on 01/28/2009 8:45:23 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: NicknamedBob
But I have also noticed that you have a good heart, and I am pleased to regard you as a friend.

Buwhahahahahaha! Little did you know, I am... SUPER TROLL! :-)

Please read posts 28, 49, 50, 52 and 54 again.

Coyote really *did* take it upon himself to tell another poster to stop posting; and when rebuked by JR in 52, replies in 54:

If you would rather keep those fringe posters, and discourage the scientists from posting here, then fringe posters is what you''ll end up with.

But JR in 52 didn't discourage Coyote from posting: he told Coyote to stop discouraging *others* from posting.

Cheers!

323 posted on 01/28/2009 8:45:42 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: metmom
Why do you call it simple and childish just because it’s concise?

Because "childish" and "concise" have different meanings.

324 posted on 01/28/2009 8:47:03 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: CE2949BB

So science doesn’t teach that the universe had a beginning?

The big bang had nothing to do with it?


325 posted on 01/28/2009 8:47:24 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tacticalogic; CE2949BB; metmom; YHAOS

Creationism isn’t exclusive to Christiainity, (God knows we’ve seen Christians equated with militant Islam enough on these threads) nor do Christians universally subscribe to a single creation doctrine (which begs the question are they reading their Bibles and do they truly understand what they read?).

Christianity has a place in public education, (but by the end of these next 4 years, I’m not sure it’ll be “legal” to tell your teacher Merry Christmas) along with other religions as philosophy, (purple spaghetti monsters, heaven’s gate...you see in the liberal world all religions are equally valid, and who are we to judge someone’s religion, in fact, we should just abolish the word cult! precisely what the founding fathers MUST have meant...envisioning a beaming bust of Marshall Applewhite on Mt. Rushmore) where IMHO, it proves to be head and shoulders above the other religions of the world. (Soooo we must need much much less of it in all public places!... yeah, that’s the ticket!)

(In the liberal world up is down, and down is up.)

But it is not science.

(So let’s make sure we stomp that out against the people’s will while giving anything and eveything else a complete free pass, from algoreacles hot air cult to multiverse theory. Oh and nevermind that which people agree upon is or isn’t science today or tomorrow, it’s irrelevant, just as long as I don’t have to be bothered with ANYTHING whatsoever that has to do with God, it’s not science.)


326 posted on 01/28/2009 8:47:49 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: CE2949BB

Which you clearly can’t distinguish.


327 posted on 01/28/2009 8:48:14 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: onewhowatches; metmom; CE2949BB
NO, no you've got it all wrong.

She was re-enacting the Big Bang -- which happened when God foresaw the 2008 election, and banged His head on *His* desk...

Sorry to bring up Obama again.

Cheers!

328 posted on 01/28/2009 8:48:21 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Just mythoughts

Well said and speaking of hate crimes...it’s a matter of time before prop 8 is tossed, so much for govt of the people by the people and for the people...and if you don’t submit you’ll be labeled a homophobe and arrested for hate crimes.


329 posted on 01/28/2009 8:49:45 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: CE2949BB
We simply know too much to teach the Creation story as fact.

Next assignment for you.

Parse the philosophical *assumptions* required to make that statement.

Cheers!

330 posted on 01/28/2009 8:50:22 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: metmom

“I see which side of the culture war you’re on.”

Too bad he doesn’t. Unless there’s some sort of enlightenment he never will either.


331 posted on 01/28/2009 8:50:55 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: CE2949BB

Creationism, since it is based on the Christian Bible, doesn’t have a place in the public school system. The public school system, which must educate children of parents who belong to many different faiths and none at all, must remain neutral.


Who taught you this?

Lemme guess...the public school system!

Keep hanging around FR kid. As if your very life depended on it!


332 posted on 01/28/2009 8:52:58 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: YHAOS

”You don’t “ping” someone who’s already here.”

Well, I guess you needed to correct me on something. Glad you found it.


I wouldn’t give him that...I’ve pinged metmom to long threads she’s been on, and I don’t dig through pages to find out.


333 posted on 01/28/2009 8:55:10 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: CE2949BB
Build a wall between Church and State that would make an illegal alien have a heart attack.

Why, not how...? And is it a rigid wall or a semi-permeable membrane? Otherwise, you run into the government refusing funding for a crucifix, since it endorses religion, but in the guise of neutrality, funding 'art' of a crucifix in urine or the Virgin Mary in dung.

The very opposite of neutral, another example of government regulations causing the very opposite of what it ostensibly prevents. Shades of St. Paul and "the evil I do not want, that is the very thing I do." Curiouser and curiouser.

Just try *applying* for funding for that kind of art funding for a photo of JFK getting his head blown off put into a jar of urine, or Mohammed covered with animal feces, and count the femtoseconds until a Federal Swat team is at your door...Why is it only explicitly Christian symbols being defiled is called art, but all other subjects make it a Hate Crime?

I fully support private and religious schools and homeschooling. The public school, however, must remain neutral.

Ducking the question -- by phrasing it this way, you are implicitly giving approval to the pervasiveness of government-funded, government controlled schools, with government-approved curricula.

What is so "small government" about that?

Cheers!

334 posted on 01/28/2009 8:58:54 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: metmom
So science doesn’t teach that the universe had a beginning?

The big bang had nothing to do with it?

Huh? What are you blathering on about?

335 posted on 01/28/2009 9:01:06 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: Jim Robinson
ZOT!

"He's dead, Jim."

I think this is all that's left of him (from his own post):

Cheers!

336 posted on 01/28/2009 9:02:11 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: CE2949BB

The only thing you’ve been tearing apart is yourself. You really should revisit Jim Robinson’s posts.


337 posted on 01/28/2009 9:03:10 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: CE2949BB

We simply know too much to teach the Creation story as fact.

“We” liberals?


338 posted on 01/28/2009 9:04:16 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther
Well said and speaking of hate crimes...it’s a matter of time before prop 8 is tossed, so much for govt of the people by the people and for the people...and if you don’t submit you’ll be labeled a homophobe and arrested for hate crimes.

Wonder which 'gay' will become the image for a national holy day. There is one thing about these 'days' there is NOT enough pie on the plate for all the animals to have their share. The really big fight is going to happen within their created scientific methodology, once the lessor animals figure out who got bailed out first and by design most fit for survival gets the lion's share of the spoils.

I am not sure where the dollar amount is now, but last I read it was $500 checks to stimuli these less fit, and there would be more return on 'government' investment with increase in food stamps and unemployment benefits.... What will they do when the animals want what was promised? Build taller walls to protect the 'most fit'?

339 posted on 01/28/2009 9:05:05 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: grey_whiskers
Well, how about this for a concept? What came before the Big Bang?
How about the Big Crevo Discussion?
And it went on and on for a timeless period, because time didn't exist yet, back and forth, up and down, yin struggling with yang until ....
340 posted on 01/28/2009 9:07:23 PM PST by NicknamedBob (It's getting harder and harder to distinguish those ululations of joy from primal screams of anguish)
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