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Why are the sun and moon the same size in the sky?
New Scientist ^ | 30 January 2009 | Marcus Chown

Posted on 01/31/2009 12:27:31 PM PST by Daffynition

It is one of the most glorious pieces of natural theatre. Assuming you spend your life on the same part of the Earth's surface, you might witness it once - if you are particularly lucky or very long-lived, perhaps twice. But a total solar eclipse is worth the wait. At the height of totality, the fit of sun and moon is so perfect that beads of sunlight can only penetrate to us through the rugged valleys on the lunar surface, creating the stunning "diamond ring" effect.

It is all thanks to a striking coincidence. The sun is about 400 times as wide as the moon, but it is also 400 times further away. The two therefore look the same size in the sky - a unique situation among our solar system's eight planets and 166 known moons. Earth is also the only planet to harbour life. Pure coincidence?

Almost undoubtedly, say most astronomers. But perhaps it is not so much of one as the bare numbers suggest. Our moon is different. The many moons of the large outer planets - Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune - are thought to have originated through one of two processes: from the accretion of a disc of material in the planet's gravity field, in a miniature version of the formation of the solar system's planets, or through the later gravitational capture of passing small bodies. The second possibility is also thought to account for Mars's two small satellites, Deimos and Phobos, the only other moons in the inner solar system.

But our moon is simply too big relative to Earth's own size ..........

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KEYWORDS: catastrophism; worldsincollision
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1 posted on 01/31/2009 12:27:31 PM PST by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition
Why are the sun and moon the same size in the sky?

Oh I don't know, let's ask Almighty 0bama, Creator of Heavens and Earth, ask him exactly how he pulled that off.
2 posted on 01/31/2009 12:30:49 PM PST by mkjessup (You are either with the Constitution, or you are with the TKU, "The Kenyan Usurper", CHOOSE dammit!)
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To: Daffynition

“it is all thanks to a striking coincidence.”

I was looking for that. They ALWAYS make sure that’s in the first paragraph.

Yes, it’s just one of MANY glaringly obvious “coincedences” by which God gives us his signature.


3 posted on 01/31/2009 12:31:38 PM PST by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: Daffynition
It is all thanks to a striking coincidence

Like the same happy "coincidence" that cocoa butter (chocolate) melts at the same average temperature of the human body. Thanks Oh Great Creator of "coincidence". :-)

4 posted on 01/31/2009 12:31:45 PM PST by bigheadfred (Negromancer !!! RUN for your lives!!!)
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To: Daffynition
Reminds me of a ‘blonde’ joke.

Two blondes in Chicago were talking, and one asked the other “What's closer, Texas or the Moon?”
The other replied “Duh! Can you see Texas?”

5 posted on 01/31/2009 12:32:35 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Daffynition

So they can dirty dance together?


6 posted on 01/31/2009 12:33:49 PM PST by Jagman (Don't tax me, bro!)
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To: Daffynition

I wish we had two moons at the same distance so they could have clacker like encounters from time to time.


7 posted on 01/31/2009 12:35:55 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: bigheadfred
Like the same happy "coincidence" that cocoa butter (chocolate) melts at the same average temperature of the human body.

So that explains why chocolate tastes so good, ehhh? :)

8 posted on 01/31/2009 12:36:24 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: Daffynition
1: JAN (real old-timers will understand)
2: Obama wants all to be the same, regardless of our usefulness.

It doesn't matter if you are a gigantic heat, light and energy producer, or a large dead useless rock that only changed because of the impact of expensive, taxpayer-funded government programs on it (Apollo, etc.) and then just changed a tiny bit, Obama wants us all to get the same recognition, (except ACORN and big time Dem donors, of course.)

9 posted on 01/31/2009 12:37:17 PM PST by MindBender26 (Obama's presidency, like war, is 100 times worst than we thought or feared it could be!)
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To: mkjessup

lets check out the manual, see what it says!

Gen 1:14a
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs,


10 posted on 01/31/2009 12:38:28 PM PST by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: mkjessup

See #9

:`)


11 posted on 01/31/2009 12:38:37 PM PST by MindBender26 (Obama's presidency, like war, is 100 times worst than we thought or feared it could be!)
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To: Daffynition

Has to be Global Warming. That is the root of all evil and the cause of all problems.


12 posted on 01/31/2009 12:38:42 PM PST by screaminsunshine (f)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Girl cop pulled over a drunken guy and said “ anything you say will be held against you” he replied “ TITTIES “!!!!


13 posted on 01/31/2009 12:40:19 PM PST by screaminsunshine (f)
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To: Daffynition
Earth is also the only planet to harbour life

And, you know this how ?
14 posted on 01/31/2009 12:41:50 PM PST by SouthDixie (We are but angels with one wing, it takes two to fly.)
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To: Mr_Moonlight

Really helped reaffirm my Faith. I said to myself “SOMEBODY had to have planned this” when I found out. I mean the joy of “melts in your mouth”. I can’t possibly think of any use for chocolate syrup, other than an occasional sundae. Would seem like such a waste. :-)


15 posted on 01/31/2009 12:43:36 PM PST by bigheadfred (Negromancer !!! RUN for your lives!!!)
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To: Daffynition

“The same size” means approximately, not exactly. On average, the Sun appears slightly larger than the Moon in our sky, although both vary slightly in apparent size due to the eccentricities of Earth’s and the Moon’s orbits. Because of these variations sometimes the Moon appears larger than the Sun, and if it passes in front of the Sun at that time a total solar eclipse occurs. Other times, the Moon appears smaller, and if it passes in front of the Sun then, an annular eclipse occurs, where a thin ring of sunlight remains around its edge, where the Moon is not large enough to cover it.

Also, like the article stated, the Moon is slowly moving away from us, and millions of years later it will appear small enough that all solar eclipses will be annular (or partial). And hundreds of millions of years ago, during the time of the dinosaurs, the Moon appeared distinctly larger than the Sun.


16 posted on 01/31/2009 12:44:37 PM PST by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: SouthDixie
The poster didn't write that, the author of the article did. He (the author) made a careless mistake and should have said, "Earth is the only planet known to harbor life."
17 posted on 01/31/2009 12:47:28 PM PST by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: Daffynition

This thread is to much for “Super-Bowl Saturday”, but for some insane reason I had to read it. :^)


18 posted on 01/31/2009 12:49:15 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: mkjessup

The relative sizes also allows for annular eclipses, such as the one this past Monday visible in Asia which heralded the Chinese New Year -- of the "Ox", in this go-round.

(Obviously, a sign from above blessing the presence of the One in our midst...)

19 posted on 01/31/2009 12:49:56 PM PST by mikrofon (Astro BUMP)
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To: JillValentine
Jill, chill LOL daffy’s cool, I'm savy to the protocol.
20 posted on 01/31/2009 12:51:14 PM PST by SouthDixie (We are but angels with one wing, it takes two to fly.)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
Gen 1:14a
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs


Ahhh c'mon now, that's 'old' thinking, we're in the New Age of 0bama, didn't you have your epiphany and vote for B'rack?

Good thing Alcee Hastings is introducing legislation for FEMA camps in case of an 'emergency' because you sound like a real troublemaker, you need to be reeducated! ;)
21 posted on 01/31/2009 12:51:55 PM PST by mkjessup (You are either with the Constitution, or you are with the TKU, "The Kenyan Usurper", CHOOSE dammit!)
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To: Daffynition

The article doesn’t answer the question “Why are the sun and moon the same size in the sky?”
Why don’t they just say that they don’t know!


22 posted on 01/31/2009 1:00:24 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism = serious mental deficiency)
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To: Daffynition
Speaking of space, I found this interesting video on YouTube the other day showing the scaled sizes of different planets and suns. Makes me feel like the "Whos" in "Whosville".

Our Solar System - Size Of Planets and Stars to Scale

23 posted on 01/31/2009 1:04:33 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: Daffynition

24 posted on 01/31/2009 1:04:37 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: mkjessup

It has to be celestial affirmative action. The sun is forced to locate itself further from the Earth so that it will appear the same size, thus preventing the moon from developing an inferiority complex.


25 posted on 01/31/2009 1:07:11 PM PST by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
"The sun is about 400 times as wide as the moon, but it is also 400 times further away. The two therefore look the same size in the sky.."

I can do that math in my head ..... and I'm blond. ;)


26 posted on 01/31/2009 2:18:36 PM PST by Daffynition ("Beauty is in the sty of the beholder." ~ Joe 6-pack)
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To: CrazyIvan

LOL - love it.


27 posted on 01/31/2009 2:18:57 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: JoeProBono
From the moon the Earth looks eight times smaller b/c we are 800 times further away from the Sun than we are from other satellites as when objects in the rear view mirror appear closer than they are.


28 posted on 01/31/2009 2:27:48 PM PST by Daffynition ("Beauty is in the sty of the beholder." ~ Joe 6-pack)
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To: Yardstick

LOL

I wonder how many people even know what a clacker is?


29 posted on 01/31/2009 2:28:49 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Give me Liberty or give me something to aim at)
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To: Daffynition

Why do you drive on a parkway, but park on a driveway?


30 posted on 01/31/2009 2:29:19 PM PST by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: mikrofon

hey!

What’s the big Idea posting that without warning people to NOT LOOK DIRECTLY AT THE ECLIPSE!


31 posted on 01/31/2009 2:30:59 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Give me Liberty or give me something to aim at)
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To: beaversmom

It’s an excellent video, I think I first saw it on phys.org and the background music is great. Thanks for the reminder.


32 posted on 01/31/2009 2:31:39 PM PST by Daffynition ("Beauty is in the sty of the beholder." ~ Joe 6-pack)
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To: The Electrician

We will understand this when we figure out why Frosted Flakes have frosting, but pitted prunes DON’T have pits... and liberals aren’t about liberty.


33 posted on 01/31/2009 2:35:24 PM PST by Daffynition ("Beauty is in the sty of the beholder." ~ Joe 6-pack)
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To: Daffynition
a striking coincidence

"That's too coincidental to be a coincidence." - Yogi Berra

34 posted on 01/31/2009 2:37:49 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Neanderthals for Life and Liberty - ) (AIPNEWS.com)
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To: Daffynition
Sooooo....what's your perspective on


35 posted on 01/31/2009 2:54:06 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: EternalVigilance
It's math:

It is one of the most interesting coincidence in the solar system that enables full Solar Eclipse.
The ratio of distance between the Sun and Earth, & Moon and Earth is almost exactly proportionate to the ratio of size of Sun to Moon.
In astronomy the sizes of objects in the sky are often given in terms of their angular diameter as seen from Earth, rather than their actual sizes.
The angular diameter of Earth's orbit around the Sun, from a distance of one parsec, is 2" (two arcseconds).
The angular diameter of the Sun, from a distance of one light-year, is 0.03", and that of the Earth 0.0003". The angular diameter 0.03" of the Sun given above is approximately the same as that of a person at a distance of the diameter of the Earth
This table shows the angular sizes of noteworthy celestial bodies as seen from the Earth:
Sun : 31.6' – 32.7'
Moon : 29.3′ – 34.1'
Venus : 10″ – 66″
Jupiter : 30″ – 49″
Saturn : 15″ – 20″
Mars : 4″ – 25″
Mercury : 5″ – 13″
Uranus : 3″ – 4″
Neptune : 2″
Ceres : 0.8″
Pluto : 0.1″
Eris : 40 mas

As can be seen the angular diameter of the Sun is about the same as that of the Moon (the diameter is 400 times as large and the distance also; the Sun is 200,000-500,000 times as bright as the full Moon (figures vary), corresponding to an angular diameter ratio of 450-700, so a celestial body with a diameter of 2.5-4" and the same brightness per unit solid angle would have the same brightness as the full Moon).
The angular diameter of an object as seen from a given position is the "visual diameter" of the object measured as an angle. In the vision sciences it is called the visual angle. The visual diameter is the diameter of the perspective projection of the object on a plane through its centre that is perpendicular to the viewing direction. Because of foreshortening, it may be quite different from the actual physical diameter for an object that is seen under an angle. For a disk-shaped object at a large distance, the visual and actual diameters are the same.

36 posted on 01/31/2009 3:34:21 PM PST by Daffynition ("Beauty is in the sty of the beholder." ~ Joe 6-pack)
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To: Daffynition

That’s cool.


37 posted on 01/31/2009 3:35:51 PM PST by Canedawg (Lincoln freed the slaves, BO will free the terrorists. "Unity of purpose" my a- -, Mr.POS)
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To: JoeProBono

38 posted on 01/31/2009 3:37:12 PM PST by Daffynition ("Beauty is in the sty of the beholder." ~ Joe 6-pack)
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To: Daffynition

I witnessed a total solar eclipse in 1979 here on our North American continent. About 2 to 3 minutes in totality. One of the most amazing experiences in my life. It was worth the trip.


39 posted on 01/31/2009 3:39:55 PM PST by xp38
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To: Daffynition

“The heavens declare the glory of God.”


40 posted on 01/31/2009 3:43:38 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Neanderthals for Life and Liberty - ) (AIPNEWS.com)
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To: screaminsunshine

LOLOLOLOL. Stop it thats making me laugh to hard.


41 posted on 01/31/2009 3:50:01 PM PST by festus (Politics makes for strange bedfellows)
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To: xp38

The author was being optimistic in reckoning total eclipses at any point as “once in a lifetime.” I think that Jan Meesus gives the average interval between totality for a point on earth as about 325 years. (It’s a difficult calculation.) However, occasionally some places have two eclipses less than 18 monthes apart. The last total eclipse in New York City was in 1925, for instance.

It’s provocative that Nova Scotia had two eclipses in the early 1970’s either of which was before Carly Simon’s “Your so vain.?


42 posted on 01/31/2009 3:56:21 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The death cult wants death, the Israelis want peace. I, for one, see only one solution.)
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To: xp38
Considering the length of time a total eclipse lasts, it's an amazing thing to see!

Diamond Ring Effect During 1979 Eclipse (79SE2-4)

The last rays of sunlight shine through deep lunar valleys as the solar corona leaps into view. This eclipse was also noteworthy for the brilliant red solar prominences visible around the Moon's limb.

Total Solar Eclipse of 1979 February 26 (Riverton, MANITOBA) 60mm f/15 achromatic refractor (f.l. = 910mm)
Photo ©1979 by Fred Espenak

43 posted on 01/31/2009 3:56:57 PM PST by Daffynition ("Beauty is in the sty of the beholder." ~ Joe 6-pack)
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To: Daffynition

Yes, liked the background music too. Definitely went with the video.


44 posted on 01/31/2009 4:16:29 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: mamelukesabre
During totality it is safe to look directly at the sun--when it's totally hidden. That's what I was told in 1999 when I was fortunate to see the total eclipse that was visible in Europe.

The next one which will be visible in the US will be on August 21, 2017, passing from Oregon to South Carolina, followed by one on April 8, 2024, passing from Texas up to Maine.

There is one total eclipse this year, on July 22, a very long one (6 minutes 39 seconds of totality at the best locations), but it will be visible only in parts of Asia and the Pacific.

I read once that on average a particular spot is in the path of a total eclipse once every 360 years.

45 posted on 01/31/2009 4:26:29 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: xp38
You'll have to wait until 2017 for the next total eclipse.

Totality will occur somewheres around the Land Between the Lake, Kentucky.

Noonish. So bring me a ham sandwich, will ya.

46 posted on 01/31/2009 4:51:31 PM PST by woofer ('Senator Obama ain't run nothin' but his mouth' - Steyn)
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To: beaversmom
Here's one for you ...

Sit about 1 meter from your screen and hold up your thumb halfway between you and it, look at your thumb, then focus on the image you see just behind it (you can move your thumb forward and back till this occurs), remove thumb.

You should hopefully have combined the two images into a single 3D one.

47 posted on 02/01/2009 4:50:27 AM PST by Daffynition ("Beauty is in the sty of the beholder." ~ Joe 6-pack)
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To: mamelukesabre
re: I wonder how many people even know what a clacker is?

I know! I know! It's cracker pronounced by an Asian?

48 posted on 02/01/2009 6:37:35 AM PST by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: Daffynition

That’s pretty neat! Thanks for posting. I knew you could get a 3D image like that but had not heard the tip about using your thumb to set it up.

I am a professional freelance photographer, starving artist in my wife’s language. I went through a phase a couple of years ago where I was enamored with stereo pictures. I have an adapter for my Nikon cameras that lets me take stereo pairs. What a blast. Never could figure out how to make money with it, but that’s hardly unique to my career.

I am going to download your moon image and use it to make some similar images from my own pictures. If I have any luck I’ll post a couple for you to try out. I went through a real phase of looking for things to really take advantage of the 3D effect. But then I passed out of that phase, into another similarly titillating but unprofitable phase. This time it was large format printing. I love making posters and have even managed to sell a few.

Thanks for the post! At least this time I’ll be dabbling in something that won’t cost me a fortune since I already have the equipment!


49 posted on 02/01/2009 6:45:58 AM PST by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: Daffynition
There is a fascinating and very well made documentary, "The Privileged Plant" that goes into great detail about how unique Earth is not only to have life, but even more to let its inhabitants explore the rest of universe. I would would heartily recommend both the video and the book! Here's a link to the info about it:

The Privileged Planet

There's a link there to view a sample of the video. I didn't check it out, but it's probably worth the effort.
50 posted on 02/01/2009 6:54:23 AM PST by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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