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France Says it Owns Legendary Vessel (Court Case Over 17th Century Ship in Lake Michigan)
The Mining Journal ^ | January 30, 2009 | JOHN FLESHER

Posted on 02/02/2009 10:57:34 AM PST by nickcarraway

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1 posted on 02/02/2009 10:57:34 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: SunkenCiv

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2 posted on 02/02/2009 10:57:58 AM PST by nickcarraway (Are the Good Times Really Over?)
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To: Cincinna

Ping.


3 posted on 02/02/2009 10:58:43 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: nickcarraway

I thought that the French lost in the French and Indian War. Do they still own Lake Michigan? I think it is outrageous when foreign governments claim ownership of vessels long ago sunk in international waters. This case provides a new dimension to the outrageous claims.


4 posted on 02/02/2009 11:04:35 AM PST by businessprofessor
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If its in US water, its ours. The Ed Fitz is in Canadian water. They have domain.


5 posted on 02/02/2009 11:06:15 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: nickcarraway

I say let France have the damn thing. First though, there’s this little matter of rent....


6 posted on 02/02/2009 11:08:19 AM PST by domeika
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OK, I give up. Properly speaking this ought to be turned over to the French King. When he turns up, call me.


7 posted on 02/02/2009 11:09:44 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: nickcarraway

Isn’t there a statute of limitations on stuff like this?


8 posted on 02/02/2009 11:11:14 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: businessprofessor

The reason why the Fwench are interested and in a fighting mood (the irony) is that there is something of value buried WITHIN the ship, hence the argument it’s theirs.


9 posted on 02/02/2009 11:16:57 AM PST by max americana
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OK, I give up. Properly speaking this ought to be turned over to the French King. When he turns up, call me.

He cannot speak to you because his head is missing. Maybe his queen can speak with you. Oops. Her head is also missing.

10 posted on 02/02/2009 11:23:51 AM PST by businessprofessor
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To: nickcarraway

so that’ll be 4 centuries of rent then


11 posted on 02/02/2009 11:24:46 AM PST by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: businessprofessor

Lake Michigan is not “International Waters”. It lies wholly within the United States and borders Michigan, Illinois and Wisconsin. None of the Great Lakes are International Waters, they belong either to the US or Canada.


12 posted on 02/02/2009 11:46:24 AM PST by anoldafvet
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To: nickcarraway

It just goes to show.........if you find it, just shut up and dig it up or every greedy governmental body in the world will claim that it belongs to them.


13 posted on 02/02/2009 11:53:55 AM PST by Sarajevo (You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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This bit about ownership of shipwrecks has gotten really muddled in the past several years. In 1998 the US Courts ruled on 2 Spanish shipwrecks in Virginia waters, Juno (1802) & La Galga (1750), that they remained Spanish ownership because the Spanish Government had never abandoned 'title'. This ruling would be what the French claim rests upon.

The concept behind this was that 'sovereign' wrecks (ie. governmentally owned or chartered) remain owned to protect as graveyards and memorials. If the late Mel Fisher, salvor of the Spanish "Nuestra Señora de Atocha" (1622), were to discover the ship today it is probable he could not have salvaged it without the cooperation of the Spanish Government.

In international waters it becomes more dicey as not every shipwreck is readily identifiable. A US Treasure Hunting company, Odyssey Marine, is in legal battle with Spain over treasure recovered from the international waters in the Atlantic known as the "Black Swan Project". The number of governmental 'toes' being negotiated is enough to make you wonder if anybody other than lawyers will win in the end of this case.

14 posted on 02/02/2009 12:04:05 PM PST by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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I say let France have the damn thing. First though, there’s this little matter of rent....

LOL, I was thinking the same thing, storage fees, plus interest and penalties for late payments.

15 posted on 02/02/2009 12:43:33 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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“In 1998 the US Courts ruled on 2 Spanish shipwrecks in Virginia waters, Juno (1802) & La Galga (1750), that they remained Spanish ownership because the Spanish Government had never abandoned ‘title’.”

What is being said here is that U.S. shot itself in the foot again.


16 posted on 02/02/2009 12:52:58 PM PST by GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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17 posted on 02/02/2009 5:52:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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France claims rights to Lake Michigan shipwreck
by John Flesher
Associated Press
January 30, 2009

18 posted on 02/02/2009 5:54:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Damn troublemaking surrender monkeys. Sick a couple of fifth graders on 'em, they'll back down.

19 posted on 02/02/2009 6:03:48 PM PST by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: nickcarraway

WHICH French “government” (and I use the term loosely) claims it?

Monarchy?

Empire?

Restored Monarachy?

1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th Republic?

Vichy?

Free French?

5th Column-—I mean Republic?

Quebequios?


20 posted on 02/02/2009 6:39:07 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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