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Did I get the story wrong - 2 pirates and a hostage in a dinghy with no engine and...
email | 4/9/09 | American Dream 246

Posted on 04/09/2009 2:05:48 PM PDT by American Dream 246

Please excuse my accent.

Is that just me or did I get the story wrong? How many war ships do you need and FBI terrorist experts do you need to take over a dead in the water dinghy, 2 pirates and a hostage? OK I realize that the pirates could shoot the hostage.

Ar we going to send salves or shoot the dinghy with a canon? Sorry..I have a hard time not to laugh with that image but seriously...Or send the whole army, planes etc.. to fly around that dinghy? Or negotiate with these morons, knowing that they have no word anyway?

What about sending 2 good divers under the dinghy, pick the butt of the pirates, turn over the dinghy and get the hostage? I sailed for 12 years in dangerous waters...the whole story, I mean since they are in the dinghy, makes me really scratch my head.

Any other suggestions which could help our guys solve that problem? I am a bit lost here.

Again, I am certainly missing something important like - does that incident involves Russia or Iran or nukes or something?

Seems that it is just me..


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1 posted on 04/09/2009 2:05:48 PM PDT by American Dream 246
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To: American Dream 246

I don’t get it either. Seems like two snipers on the destroyer could solve the pirate problem.


2 posted on 04/09/2009 2:09:35 PM PDT by JamesP81 (When Obama signed an order providing tax dollars to murder children, he stopped being my president)
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To: American Dream 246

Might have something to do with our, ummm, leadership.


3 posted on 04/09/2009 2:09:57 PM PDT by wolfcreek (There is no 2 party system only arrogant Pols and their handlers)
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To: American Dream 246

What authority does the FBI hold in international waters off the coast of Somalia?


4 posted on 04/09/2009 2:10:39 PM PDT by a fool in paradise ( “Saving the New York Times now ranks with saving Darfur as a high-minded cause.”NYTimes Bill Kell)
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To: JamesP81

Thank you !!! I am glad to see that I am not the only one.


5 posted on 04/09/2009 2:10:44 PM PDT by American Dream 246
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To: American Dream 246
Ya gotta understand the way federal agencies work.

The more inefficient and ineffective you are, the bigger your budget gets and the more people you get to hire and command.

Any more questions?

6 posted on 04/09/2009 2:11:31 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Only after disaster can we be resurrected." -- Tyler Durden)
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To: JamesP81

That was my first thought.


7 posted on 04/09/2009 2:11:47 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: American Dream 246

Everybody was told to stand down until Hillary and the FBI shows up, they don’t want a solution to the problem before they can make it worse.


8 posted on 04/09/2009 2:12:06 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: American Dream 246

When this happened before, good old Gerald Ford sent in the Marines and a handful ended the situation quickly and those pirates never took another hostage in their very brief lives.


9 posted on 04/09/2009 2:12:12 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: a fool in paradise

I was wondering the same thing. I thought a good “negotiation” tool would be to assassinate the pirates and kill his crew. Of course, this regime is worse than Carter’s, so who knows what the Messiah will do next.


10 posted on 04/09/2009 2:12:12 PM PDT by chilepup
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To: wolfcreek

Yup. You’ve got to have the go-ahead take action, and with Hillary laughing about the whole pirate thing I don’t see our Secretary of State working hard to push a fast response.


11 posted on 04/09/2009 2:12:31 PM PDT by faloi
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To: American Dream 246
Here is what Der Hillary has to say about it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii_c3B5AasI

12 posted on 04/09/2009 2:12:34 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: American Dream 246

Let them float around for a few days to get good and tired and then have a few SEAL’s swim up to the boat late in the night.


13 posted on 04/09/2009 2:12:55 PM PDT by fso301
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To: American Dream 246

I still think we should have some NRA Fun Cruises in the area.


14 posted on 04/09/2009 2:13:21 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: American Dream 246

A close up from the new Ombamellite orbiting in space.

15 posted on 04/09/2009 2:14:50 PM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I'm so anti-pc, I use a Mac)
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To: wolfcreek

The teleprompter is in for repair so there is no one to tell dear leader how to react.


16 posted on 04/09/2009 2:15:03 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: American Dream 246

Does the Ship Captain with the gun to his head have a family?

They may be appreciating a degree of diplomacy.


17 posted on 04/09/2009 2:16:19 PM PDT by TruthHound ("He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: Eye of Unk
re: stand down until Hillary and the FBI shows up

It's difficult to take full advantage of a crisis if you aren't there. A careless mis-step by the FBI or the navy could end up wasting this crisis very quickly.

18 posted on 04/09/2009 2:19:46 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: a fool in paradise

I was wondering how the FBI plays into this myself. Isn’t that the CIA’s territory? Or Interpol or someone like that?


19 posted on 04/09/2009 2:20:44 PM PDT by auntyfemenist (Fetch the royal iPod..)
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To: mnehring

Next time they won’t let TOTUS fly coach...


20 posted on 04/09/2009 2:21:20 PM PDT by a fool in paradise ( “Saving the New York Times now ranks with saving Darfur as a high-minded cause.”NYTimes Bill Kell)
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To: American Dream 246

Put a sniper in an OH-58 about 1200 meters away at night. A .50BMG round through each pirate’s torso and then send in the RIBs full of SEALS. Problem solved.

Or should we just sit down to tea and try to use diplomacy?


21 posted on 04/09/2009 2:21:31 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (I'd rather be eating sushi off Nicole Scherzinger's nekkid body.)
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To: Andy from Beaverton
So, who's the pirates and who's the captain?
And who's the other two in the dinghy?
22 posted on 04/09/2009 2:23:16 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: JamesP81
I don’t get it either. Seems like two snipers on the destroyer could solve the pirate problem.

Silly, we might hurt someone... Obama can't have that.

23 posted on 04/09/2009 2:24:39 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: American Dream 246

Glen Beck is talking about that.

Why the hell does the Navy have to call in the FBI hostage negotiator to do their job?

Ooops. Never mind. It is the PC Navy now. I just forgot.


24 posted on 04/09/2009 2:24:48 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: a fool in paradise

The FBI has zero authority. The USCG has legal jurisdiction in international water world wide on US flag vessels and vessels where the US has received a letter of no objection.

Piracy is classified a crime against humanity, however, and as such all nations have legal jurisdiction to prosecute. As such, those pirates are dead meat in any country that deems it necessary to kill those bastards.

Flying the US flag on your vessel buys you squat any more. Being a MUSLIM pirate? Priceless.


25 posted on 04/09/2009 2:25:02 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: a fool in paradise
What authority does the FBI hold in international waters off the coast of Somalia?

I'm no expert, but since it's international waters, I would think there is no "authority" except for maritime laws.

Since the pirates are well, pirates (outside the maritime laws) does it really matter how they die???

26 posted on 04/09/2009 2:25:04 PM PDT by Popman (One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three is a Congress - John Adams)
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To: faloi; mnehring

I’m sure the Captain’s poor wife is amused.

This country is going from most hated to mostly pathetic real fast.


27 posted on 04/09/2009 2:26:39 PM PDT by wolfcreek (There is no 2 party system only arrogant Pols and their handlers)
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To: American Dream 246
How naive.
Dems are in charge.
What size boat do the pirates want?
Can our apology be in English?
How much money can the raft hold, or will they take a check?
A US destroyer verses 3 schmos in a raft. Our leaders are unmanned.
28 posted on 04/09/2009 2:30:07 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: wolfcreek

I certainly did not mean to make fun of the family and I fully understand how the Captain’s family must feel right now. I was simply pointing out, and they certainly are thinking the same way we are, the stupidity of the situation.


29 posted on 04/09/2009 2:32:44 PM PDT by American Dream 246
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To: American Dream 246

Right off the top the lifeboat is anything but a dinghy. As I understand it’s an enclosed boat that can carry something like 30 passengers. Being enclosed it’s unlikely that they can see the captain or the terrorists let alone get a shot.


30 posted on 04/09/2009 2:32:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: American Dream 246
The French have sent in some reinforcements
31 posted on 04/09/2009 2:35:02 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: American Dream 246

No harm, no foul. Expect a lot of things coming from the Obama admin to be *different*.


32 posted on 04/09/2009 2:36:14 PM PDT by wolfcreek (There is no 2 party system only arrogant Pols and their handlers)
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To: a fool in paradise

More than the pirates

:-)


33 posted on 04/09/2009 2:36:47 PM PDT by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: American Dream 246

I suppose that the FBI is there to arrest the crew members of the hijacked ship for fighting back. What else would you expect from an American hating metrosexual muslim POTUS?


34 posted on 04/09/2009 2:38:38 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: a fool in paradise
I'm thinking it is not authority to negotiate, but the negotiating skills in a hostage situation that these folks are looking for. Does the CIA have this type of personnel? I don't know.

Otherwise, it makes sense to me that -- if there are only 2 pirates -- that you get a couple of snipers and count to 3. Cruise on over and pick up the captain. Sink the dingy. Guess that's why I'm not in charge.

35 posted on 04/09/2009 2:39:37 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: JamesP81
Seems like two snipers on the destroyer could solve the pirate problem.

It might have something to do with the fact that the 'life' boat is covered and they can't see what is happening.

I want obama to fail in his agenda, but I sure don't want the hostage killed because of my hate for obama.

36 posted on 04/09/2009 2:41:27 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

At Waco, they gave up trying to negotiate and decided to make a suicidal man crack instead. Think they’ll try to get the pirates to go for “suicide by cop” here?


37 posted on 04/09/2009 2:41:51 PM PDT by a fool in paradise ( “Saving the New York Times now ranks with saving Darfur as a high-minded cause.”NYTimes Bill Kell)
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To: American Dream 246
Whatever the reasons are that this isn't yet resolved it looks BAD. We look weak being held hostage by a bunch of skinny a$$ Somolians.
I just don't have faith in Obama handling this like a Leader.
38 posted on 04/09/2009 2:43:08 PM PDT by wndycndy (WE ALL MUST FIGHT TO RETAIN OUR RIGHTS AGAINST LIBERAL IDEOLOGY)
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To: Krodg

I thought that the captain goes down with his ship? Surrender to pirates and board their vessel as a hostage?


39 posted on 04/09/2009 2:43:08 PM PDT by a fool in paradise ( “Saving the New York Times now ranks with saving Darfur as a high-minded cause.”NYTimes Bill Kell)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

>>>I’m thinking it is not authority to negotiate, but the negotiating skills in a hostage situation that these folks are looking for.

I think you are right. This would be similar to a case where a US embassy is bombed and we send FBI agents to investigate. They have these skills that other federal agencies do not.


40 posted on 04/09/2009 2:45:50 PM PDT by NC28203
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To: American Dream 246
Excellent question.

Sadly, I think we will bow to Maersk’s request (it is their vessel) and not only free the pirates but see that they are paid the ransom they originally sought.

There will be an attempt to conceal this but it will fail.

It will be a sad day for America.

41 posted on 04/09/2009 2:50:53 PM PDT by keat
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To: Krodg; American Dream 246

Maersk Alabama lifeboat FAQ. (with a pic)

http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/maersk-alabama-lifeboat-faq/


42 posted on 04/09/2009 2:57:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Just another Joe

Jack and Sayid are the pirates, Kate and Sun-Hwa are their girlfriends and Hugo is the big, fat, capitalist American.


43 posted on 04/09/2009 3:00:03 PM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I'm so anti-pc, I use a Mac)
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To: cripplecreek

Great link! Very useful information.

Except in the list of things on board the lifeboat, they misspelled “pirates”:

“8).....two hatchets, one at each end of the lifeboat; (these are used to cut the painters)”


44 posted on 04/09/2009 3:02:10 PM PDT by 21twelve (Drive Reality out with a pitchfork if you want , it always comes back.)
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To: KeyLargo
Why the hell does the Navy have to call in the FBI hostage negotiator to do their job?

Ooops. Never mind. It is the PC Navy now. I just forgot.


Navy is waiting for the FBI.

FBI is waiting for the State Department.

State Department is waiting for the Justice Department.

Justice Department is waiting for the Pres_ent.

Everyone is afraid to step up and make a decision, so they are pushing it to another authority. This is the PC world we live in.


45 posted on 04/09/2009 3:06:35 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: 21twelve
This is interesting as well.

Why did the boat run out of gas?

The boat is required to have sufficient fuel to run the fully loaded lifeboat at 6 knots for a period of not less than 24 hours which is 144 nautical miles ( 165.7 statute miles) but it only traveled a few. Why?

There are two likely explanations for this. First safety inspections are carried out by the 3rd mate who is the most junior (i.e. inexperienced) officer. It is possible that he missed a problem with the lifeboat engines or fuel delivery system.

A more likely answer is that the captain sabotaged the engine. This would be easy to do since the pirates would likely little about the workings of a modern enclosed lifeboat which is much more complex than a basic skiff. It is also necessary to connect the battery switch which is often located in the engine compartment, giving Captain Phillips an excuse to open the hatch. Once in the hatch you could crimp the fuel line or block the air intake system, being a diesel engine, restricting fuel or air are the only two ways to safely stop and engine once started.

46 posted on 04/09/2009 3:07:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah. I think that Captain, while being brave enough to “go down with the ship” as it were, is also smart enough to outwit these pirates.

He is the one that knows all about the boat, is probably in better physical condition than the pirates, is used to hard work and little sleep. I think in another day or so he’ll have the upper hand.


47 posted on 04/09/2009 3:11:20 PM PDT by 21twelve (Drive Reality out with a pitchfork if you want , it always comes back.)
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To: 21twelve

I’d be telling them that the rations were made of pork products. If starving they would eat it but I suspect they would hold off long enough to weaken some.


48 posted on 04/09/2009 3:17:56 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Popman
I'm no expert, but since it's international waters, I would think there is no "authority" except for maritime laws.

Since it is a U.S.-flagged vessel, the USCG and Federal agents do have jurisdiction aboard, and U.S. law applies.

49 posted on 04/09/2009 3:19:30 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: American Dream 246

Same as Vietnam betrayal.

Obama is thinking of a way for our troops to be killed and make the Pirates heros.

It’s a set up trap choreography for commi f@gs.


50 posted on 04/09/2009 3:27:47 PM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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