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The Evolution Interpreter: Generic Transition Form Fossil Discovery Article
Vanity ^ | 04/22/2009 | Liberty1970

Posted on 04/22/2009 1:11:09 PM PDT by Liberty1970

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To: freedumb2003

//Your desire to paint those who understand science as somehow less devout than yourself is egotistical and rather pathetic.//

see post #60 projectionist.


61 posted on 04/22/2009 7:27:10 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: valkyry1
Your posts are a mixture of bald assertion, projection, attributing motives to people then passing judgment on those (strawmen), appealing to authority, all layered in with condescension, sarcasm and various tricks to derail/change the topic. Maybe in your perception that passes for a solid science understanding.

Which part is which? I have told you time and time again what a scientific theory is -- you just put your fingers in your ears. I have been crystal clear on the science behind my contentions. Your little tantrum here doesn't change a thing. I know of what I speak -- you do not.

What you are doing is apologetics for evolutionsm.

How can anyone do apologetics for science? That is like saying I am doing apologetics for electricity or chemistry. Science provides the foundation for the very computer you are using to post the messages you are using to undermine it.

It is scientific principles and techniques that provide these facilities to you.

The irony is palpable.

And please not there is no sarcasm -- this is a simple question of people who have knowledge and those who do not.

Let me ask you -- what is your opinion of 2VL vs 3VL? Are gravitons measurable? Do quanta violate time paradigms?

I am sure you can address these simple questions with the same background you use to address other technical questions.

My statements have millions of scientists and billions of data points backing them up. I can describe them and the science behind them.

"I know you are but what am" I may amuse your other friends, but us grown ups just smirk.

62 posted on 04/22/2009 7:37:37 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: GodGunsGuts

And we should be impressed by an MS because...?


64 posted on 04/22/2009 7:42:02 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

Who said you should be impressed? One of your fellow Evos asked for his credentials, so I was kind enough to dig them up for him.


65 posted on 04/22/2009 7:48:12 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

>>Who said you should be impressed? One of your fellow Evos asked for his credentials, so I was kind enough to dig them up for him.

Fair enough. I guess I was expecting someone who is used to be a reference to have quals.

But your honesty, as always, is refreshing.


66 posted on 04/22/2009 7:51:45 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Boxen
Do you ever read the journal articles? Or do you glean all of your scientific knowledge from press releases?

Well, I can't say as I hardly ever see a press release, unless it's what the media is presenting verbatim. I read a half dozen peer-reviewed science journals on a regular basis, a mix of lay and technical books on origins (leaning more toward the latter in recent years, as the lay books rarely have much novel information in them obviously), email on the CRS mail list, the creation/evolution articles here and in popular media, etc. I also get manuscripts from one scientist that I review and clean up for him based on my wide general knowledge of origins, and may soon be helping with others. And when I get the chance I enjoy researching a topic and writing on it, which usually involves a fair bit of research and reading mostly evolutionary material. I did this a fair bit in the 90's, less so now that I have a family. Someday I hope to get back more into it.

67 posted on 04/22/2009 8:14:02 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


68 posted on 04/22/2009 8:37:39 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: freedumb2003

Your reply only gives weight to what I said in post #60. And now you have shown how quickly you want to go for the jugular.

I am not anti-science, thats more projection from you. I like science. I am against science subject to being hijacked by ideologies such as evolutionism.


69 posted on 04/22/2009 9:00:49 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: valkyry1
I am not anti-science, thats more projection from you. I like science. I am against science subject to being hijacked by ideologies such as evolutionism.

Whatever gets you through the night. Your clear lack of understanding of science probably works for you as a sort of "I didn't know" defense.

You stated I am incorrect on issues of factual science. I hereby challenge you to back up your statement.

I have already pointed out where you were wrong on science.

It is pretty easy -- tell me where I am wrong.

70 posted on 04/22/2009 9:15:44 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Hey A/G!

How is your evening going?

This is actually a pretty minor dustup in the whole thing. Other than one poster, everyone has been pretty polite. I am sure we can take this from a thread to a trend.


71 posted on 04/22/2009 9:19:16 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

Good evening, freedumb2003! My evening is going ok, I hope the same is true for you.


72 posted on 04/22/2009 9:25:31 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: freedumb2003
You stated I am incorrect on issues of factual science

Another distortion/change of topic. Show where in this thread this has happened

73 posted on 04/22/2009 9:31:23 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: valkyry1

>>Show where in this thread this has happened

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2235462/posts?page=60#60

Lets just call it a night. I am not nearly as upset as you are. I think you are in these discussions “to win.” I just want external people to know that there are many of us Conservatives who understand science, can follow its principles, and understand the process by which results are derived.

Sleep well, my friend. And may God guide you to scientific truth.


74 posted on 04/22/2009 9:39:20 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003
You stated I am incorrect on issues of factual science How do you get that out of post #60.

I am not upset and I am not in 'to win', but certain charges and accusations whether veiled or overt, should be answered.

Yes there are there are many of us Conservatives who understand science, can follow its principles, and understand the process by which results are derived. And many of us/them do not agree with the atheist/evolutionists and their conclusions.

75 posted on 04/22/2009 10:02:41 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: freedumb2003; valkyry1
>>see post #60 projectionist.

I suspect you start drinking when you start and accelerate as the evening moves into night.

You really get quite ugly.

Why are you so anti-science? And why so vitrolic?

My suggestion is you lay off the sauce. I an sure when you are not so hammered you are a pretty nice person.

v1 is not being ugly nor vitrolic. He is right about the way most evos post and what with your accusations about him drinking while posting, just verifies what he said.

Disagreeing with the conclusions arrived at by scientists because of their ideology and philosophical base, is not being anti-science. Nor are there any *truths* in science. I guess you've missed coyoteman's little list-o-definitions.

"Fact" in science is a pretty fluid term, subject to the latest *scientific findings* and consensus.

76 posted on 04/23/2009 5:56:56 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: freedumb2003; valkyry1
Let me ask you -- what is your opinion of 2VL vs 3VL? Are gravitons measurable? Do quanta violate time paradigms? I am sure you can address these simple questions with the same background you use to address other technical questions.

Simple questions? You're not fooling anybody.

"I know you are but what am" I may amuse your other friends, but us grown ups just smirk.

"Grown-ups" (adults) would not smirk. That is not adult behavior.

77 posted on 04/23/2009 5:59:33 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: freedumb2003; valkyry1
And may God guide you to scientific truth.

To what end? Considering that truth is word best avoided in science, why would someone want to learn scientific truth when what's *true* today is not likely to be true tomorrow, or next week, or next year.....

The only truth that matters is God's truth. If scientists want to disagree with that, that certainly is their prerogative, but they at least shouldn't go around pretending that what they are purporting is true.

78 posted on 04/23/2009 6:03:54 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts; freedumb2003
Brian Thomas, Science Writer for the Institute for Creation Research, will address these issues and more. Brian (M.S. Biotechnology) has taught science at the university level and is a co-founder of the Center for Christian Apologetics.

Basically, no matter what a persons qualifications, it's all for naught when it comes to an evo. If the person cited disagrees with the hardline evo position, then no amount of qualifications in the world will ever be good enough to convince them.

You've seen this with the AIDS/HIV connection thing. You'd think Duesberg, of all people, was a total quack because of his position.

79 posted on 04/23/2009 6:15:57 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
v1 is not being ugly nor vitrolic. He is right about the way most evos post and what with your accusations about him drinking while posting, just verifies what he said.

You must not be reading what I am.

Disagreeing with the conclusions arrived at by scientists because of their ideology and philosophical base, is not being anti-science. Nor are there any *truths* in science. I guess you've missed coyoteman's little list-o-definitions.

I have been crystal clear that philosophy is one doman and science another. If you wish to be in the philosophical domain, then do not post science topics. Especially if you don't understand science.

"Fact" in science is a pretty fluid term, subject to the latest *scientific findings* and consensus.

There is no such thing as scientific consensus. And science's methodology does not change. The facts lead to where they lead. Sometimes entire sections of science change when new information comes to light. That is what makes science so cool. When science corrects itself, it isn't a "gotcha" for lay-people. It is just science operating normally.

80 posted on 04/23/2009 6:58:07 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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