The Evolution Interpreter: Generic Transition Form Fossil Discovery Article

Vanity ^ | 04/22/2009 | Liberty1970

[freedumb2003]

Basically, no matter what a persons qualifications, it's all for naught when it comes to an evo. If the person cited disagrees with the hardline evo position, then no amount of qualifications in the world will ever be good enough to convince them.

You've run this argument before. An MS is a pretty low-level degree. Especially when compared to the millions of PhDs who practice science.

[Kozak]

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[freedumb2003]

And many of us/them do not agree with the atheist/evolutionists and their conclusions.

My point is that you are probably not qualified to make that call. Your posts make it clear you do not know anything about science. That is not a knock -- it is just a fact. I asked the questions I did to make it clear that there are a lot of areas of knowledge and that a lay opinion is pretty meaningless.

The fact you conflate science and atheism in complete contradiction of facts emphasizes that.

And lots of adults smirk (just getting that out of the way from a different post).

I do hope you have a great day and that God shows you His wonders in many ways today.

[GodGunsGuts]

You are exactly right, Metmom. In fact, the higher the qualifications, the greater the vilification from the Evo/AIDS alarmist camp.

[Ha Ha Thats Very Logical]

I don’t have time to post right now—I have to take my kid to the evo-orthodontist.

[Nipplemancer]

and i’m sure he/she refers to him as an evil-orthodontist

[freedumb2003]

>>You are exactly right, Metmom. In fact, the higher the qualifications, the greater the vilification from the Evo/AIDS alarmist camp.

You are right — an MS is really beneath us :) Maybe you can get an orthodontist to write something up...?

[Fichori]

Much irony on this thread.

[freedumb2003]

>>Much irony on this thread.

Also some lead, copper and traces of aluminum — the deeper the thread, the more trace minerals we find.

[Fichori]

I was actually referring to the whole cast iron kitchenware thing.

Much irony indeed.

[freedumb2003]

>>I was actually referring to the whole cast iron kitchenware thing.

Much irony indeed.<<

Iron cookware is the best — but it is difficult to transport, since it is so heavy.

It is actually amazing to me that with all the cool allow-based and nonstick pans that good ol’ cast-iron still creates the best results!

[coffee260]

I thought of you when I read the headline on Drudge

 

'EIGHTH WONDER OF THE WORLD' 

 

So I went back and read this post and compared the two and all I could think of the whole time was, [Translation: Give us more $$$...] 

[Big_Monkey]

"We have a lot of data from evolutionary biology and population genetics that clearly demonstrates that life is degrading (as actually observed, even if we restrict ourselves to beneficial mutations) and that significant innovation by chance mutations is out of the question.

Complete and utter nonsense. Even with a virus, scientist can witness first hand evolutionary changes where the virus becomes more complex and adapts to survive and thrive in varying environments or conditions.

This is what kills me about creationist. They expect that for a theory to accurate or "provable", it needs to be replicated or produced in a lab someplace. Ridiculous. Science can't replicate gravity, but that doesn't diminish the theory that explains gravity and it's effects in a physical world.

The fact that in 2009, in the most scientifically advanced society on the planet, we have a large group of people that want to teach their religious beliefs in a scientific classroom is frightening with respect to America's ability to continue to be a leader, rather than a follower in scientific innovation.

What's even more disturbing is that the GOP seems handcuffed and beholden to such idiocy and that some people label such fantasy as "conservative ideology". When did the philosophy of Adam Smith, Edmund Burke and Russel Kirk get hijacked by such lunacy?

[Liberty1970]

Complete and utter nonsense. Even with a virus, scientist can witness first hand evolutionary changes where the virus becomes more complex and adapts to survive and thrive in varying environments or conditions.

You are mixing up several different things. Yes, there is evidence of adaptation due to a variety of mechanisms, including an occasional random mutation. However there are no known examples of them becoming 'more complex' in a way that would tend to support the notion of molecules-to-man evolution. All the examples we have, and there is quite a lot of data in the field of evolutionary biology now, is of neutral shifts or degenerative mutatations that by some fluke provide an adaptive advantage (such as loss of flight on an island-dwelling beetle, such that it doesn't get blown out to sea.)

If you have any mutation examples that you think would support evolutionism, please do share them. I think the total one-sidedness of the evidence of evolutioniary biology (empirical science, not the historical guessing games of the religious ideologues) speaks for itself. Your grasp of conservatism is deficient if you think it is remotely compatible with evolutionism (which undergirds all the anti-conservative ideologies). Burke and Smith, for example, were certainly creationists and their writing is founded on a creationist worldview.

[count-your-change]

“Let me ask you — what is your opinion of 2VL vs 3VL? Are gravitons measurable? Do quanta violate time paradigms?”

Are we to be impressed by these questions of data logic, hypothetical particles and the fact that quanta don't violate time.