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Christian Symposium Offers Different Take on Aliens at Roswell UFO Festival
Christian News Wire ^ | 5/12/2009

Posted on 05/12/2009 6:58:19 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies

ROSWELL, New Mexico, May 12 /Christian Newswire/ -- Alien Resistance, a Christian counter-cult outreach ministry, will hold an all-Christian-speaker Symposium on aliens during the annual Roswell UFO Festival July 3-5th, 2009. The 11 participants include 4 PhDs, 2 doctorates of ministry, 2 pastors, 2 ordained ministers, and several pastoral counselors, with 12 books written between them on the UFO/Alien topic. The Symposium will educate on the UFO/alien topic from a Biblical Christian perspective, with emphasis on counter-cult evangelism, creationism, and spiritual warfare. The event is free for the public to attend, and will be held at the Best Western Sally Port Inn Ballroom. Tens of thousands of people interested in the UFO/Alien topic are expected to attend the Roswell UFO/Alien Festival this year.

Organizers assert that, "From a Biblical Christian perspective it becomes clear that 'aliens' are actually the evil spirits of the Bible. This idea is backed up experientially with the evidence of numerous testimonies of 'abductees', which show that 'alien abduction' experiences stop in the name and authority of Jesus Christ. Also the sinful behaviors of the 'aliens' behind abductions, the false gospels and new age messages they proclaim, and their supernatural powers so very reminiscent of those described in the Bible as being had by angels, all adds up to make clear that 'aliens' are in fact the evil spirits of the Bible."

Participants will include: William Alnor Ph.D., author of "UFOs in the New Age" and "UFO Cults in the New Millennium"; Gary Bates, from Creation Ministries International Australia, author of "Alien Intrusion: UFOs and the Evolution Connection"; Mike Bennett Ph.D., demonology researcher and host of "FutureQuake" Nashville-based Christian FM talk radio program; Pastor Russ Dizdar, Cult and Occult survivors specialist and deliverance minister; Joe Jordan O.M., alien abduction researcher and deliverance minister; Michael S. Heiser Ph.D., doctor in Hebrew Bible and Semitic Languages and author of "The Facade"; Guy Malone, author of "UFO Phenomena and the Bible"; Mrs. Malone, author of "A Modern Guide to Demons and Fallen Angels"; L.A. Marzulli D.Min., author of "Politics, Prophecy, and the Supernatural"; Pastor Chris Ward D.Min., deliverance minister and author of "Case Files of an Internet Exorcist"; and Stephen Yulish Ph.D., author of "The Real Story of UFOs."


TOPICS: Religion; UFO's
KEYWORDS: bigfancywords; icanhasdictionary; kookfringe; kooks; projection; pseudointellectual; roswell
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1 posted on 05/12/2009 6:58:19 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Look at hubble picutres... millions of galaxies with millions of suns and potential solar systems.

There is life out there- I can’t wait to see what form it takes. DNA? Carbon Based? Cell Structure? maybe none of those.

A VIRUS is a entirely different life form, did you know?


2 posted on 05/12/2009 7:02:12 AM PDT by Mr. K (Is it too early to start calling this the “The Failed Obama Administration”?)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
For a more realistic take on UFOs, how about considering that the entire phenomenon is simply a bunch of nonsense that doesn't really exist? Please see:

http://skepdic.com/ufos_ets.html

3 posted on 05/12/2009 7:03:51 AM PDT by GL of Sector 2814 (One man's "magic" is another man's engineering. "Supernatural" is a null word. -- R A Heinlein)
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To: Quix

ping


4 posted on 05/12/2009 7:04:49 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
Organizers assert that, "From a Biblical Christian perspective it becomes clear that 'aliens' are actually the evil spirits of the Bible. This idea is backed up experientially with the evidence of numerous testimonies of 'abductees', which show that 'alien abduction' experiences stop in the name and authority of Jesus Christ. Also the sinful behaviors of the 'aliens' behind abductions, the false gospels and new age messages they proclaim, and their supernatural powers so very reminiscent of those described in the Bible as being had by angels, all adds up to make clear that 'aliens' are in fact the evil spirits of the Bible."

I myself tend to agree with John Peel's (remember him?) conclusions:

“...The UFOS do not seem to exist as tangible, manufactured objects. They do not conform to the accepted natural laws of our environment....The UFO manifestations seem to be, by and large, merely minor variations of the age-old demonological phenomenon.~
John Keel,
UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse
pg 299
And with Jacques Vallee's:
"...The phenomenon behaved like a conditioning process. The logic of conditioning uses obscurity and confusion to achieve its goal while hiding its mechanism. I could see a similar structure in the UFO stories. I am beginning to perceive a coherent picture of the ‘flying saucer’ phenomenon for the first time, now that I am pursuing the idea that UFOS may be a pyschological control system, and now that I am aware of their link to human consciousness. But I am not ready to jump to the conclusion that it is the technology of some kind of ‘spacemen.’"
Jacques Vallee,
Anatomy of a Phenomenon
pg 6

5 posted on 05/12/2009 7:07:43 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Presbyterians often forget that John Knox had been a Sunday bowler.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Interesting


6 posted on 05/12/2009 7:14:17 AM PDT by mel
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To: GL of Sector 2814
I've never put much stock in fuzzy photos or distant blinking lights.

On the other hand, those folks who believe they have been abducted have had measurable, psychologically traumatizing experiences. Are they real or hallucinations or the result of brain chemistry (something produced in the brain that behaves like dimethyltryptamine)? Are they visions or dreams? Are the creatures phantasms, or real beings...alien or demon?

I, of course, don't know.

But I do know that these people believe something happened to them. In some cases there is corroborative testimony from others of specific events and, overall, there is corroborative testimony of similar experiences.

The question is what is it?

7 posted on 05/12/2009 7:17:37 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: Alex Murphy
I agree!

Even Hynek who was initially a harden skeptic came to believe that whatever was happening was, indeed, happening and was possibly of an interdimensional nature.

8 posted on 05/12/2009 7:21:27 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: Alex Murphy
The phenomenon behaved like a conditioning process. The logic of conditioning uses obscurity and confusion to achieve its goal while hiding its mechanism.

That statement can be accurately applied to Obama.;-)

9 posted on 05/12/2009 7:23:16 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
"Organizers assert that, "From a Biblical Christian perspective it becomes clear that 'aliens' are actually the evil spirits of the Bible."

I don't think that's Biblical.

Possibilities include:


10 posted on 05/12/2009 7:28:48 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
Are they visions or dreams? Are the creatures phantasms, or real beings...alien or demon?

A combination of fraud and shared cultural delusion.

Again, from the skeptic's dictionary (a very useful site!)

http://skepdic.com/aliens.html

11 posted on 05/12/2009 7:31:58 AM PDT by GL of Sector 2814 (One man's "magic" is another man's engineering. "Supernatural" is a null word. -- R A Heinlein)
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To: GL of Sector 2814

Do you post original thoughts, or just regurgitate from that website?


12 posted on 05/12/2009 7:35:46 AM PDT by thecabal (Hey Obama, when you gonna start sharin' the sacrifice?)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
Will Scully be there?
13 posted on 05/12/2009 7:38:18 AM PDT by sticker
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To: thecabal
Do you post original thoughts, or just regurgitate from that website?

I just checked my posting history, and out of the hundreds of posts I've made I've referenced that website 5 times (that includes the 2 times on this thread).

I guess I really am obsessed! Well, admitting I have a problem is the first step. Let the healing begin...

14 posted on 05/12/2009 7:43:55 AM PDT by GL of Sector 2814 (One man's "magic" is another man's engineering. "Supernatural" is a null word. -- R A Heinlein)
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To: GL of Sector 2814
A person setting out to prove something exists is similar to one who sets out to prove the same thing doesn't exist.

They both start from a point of bias and their judgment will be so colored.

Skeptics are the mirror image of those who believe without evidence...neither approach the subject scientifically. To both, their belief is a matter of faith and/or desire...and not the product of rational thought.

15 posted on 05/12/2009 7:51:48 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Isn’t it reasonable to approach these sorts of things (UFOs, ESP, the occult, etc.) rationally and scientifically and then come to the conclusion that it’s all a bunch of nonsense?


16 posted on 05/12/2009 7:56:43 AM PDT by GL of Sector 2814 (One man's "magic" is another man's engineering. "Supernatural" is a null word. -- R A Heinlein)
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To: GL of Sector 2814
Scientific exploration of a matter terminates when you conclude that you have the answer and cease to admit new evidence or consider the possibility that you may, in fact, have reached the incorrect conclusion.
17 posted on 05/12/2009 8:02:49 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Is there not any subject for which the proper response is not continued scientific inquiry but instead pointing at someone and laughing? Belief in geocentrism and vampires (as such) come to mind just offhand.


18 posted on 05/12/2009 8:45:03 AM PDT by GL of Sector 2814 (One man's "magic" is another man's engineering. "Supernatural" is a null word. -- R A Heinlein)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
Scientific exploration of a matter terminates when you conclude that you have the answer...

You mean, as in global pronunciations that skeptics aren't capable of rational thought? (Your post 15)

19 posted on 05/12/2009 9:55:21 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Such a pity, to see Freepers still addicted to the Hollyweird teat.)
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To: JoJo Gunn
You mean, as in global pronunciations that skeptics aren't capable of rational thought?

Point out the exact statement where I said or implied that.

20 posted on 05/12/2009 10:05:03 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: BenLurkin; ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; airborne; A knight without armor; albertp; areafiftyone; ...

THANKS.

THAT’S GUY MALONE’S GIG. He put it together with a lot of help from his friends.

Great guy, Guy. An excellent authentic Christian who walks the talk.


21 posted on 05/12/2009 10:07:59 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Alex Murphy

John Peel is mostly wrong, imho about the craft.

My relative worked around manufactured craft.

Certainly the critters are in cahoots with satan and the globalist oligarchy.


22 posted on 05/12/2009 10:09:18 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!


23 posted on 05/12/2009 10:09:45 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: JoJo Gunn

Your comment is a perfect example of “obfuscation” in that it seeks to confuse instead of clarify.


24 posted on 05/12/2009 10:12:19 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: JoJo Gunn

Most of the time, capable and demonstrating are quite different things hereon in that regard.


25 posted on 05/12/2009 10:13:22 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies; Religion Moderator

FWIW,

Seems to me this thread would be more fitting in the Religion Forum.


26 posted on 05/12/2009 10:14:31 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
Point out the exact statement where I said or implied that.

I've already noted that it was your post 15, to wit:

Skeptics are the mirror image of those who believe without evidence...neither approach the subject scientifically. To both, their belief is a matter of faith and/or desire...and not the product of rational thought

I know plenty of skeptics right here at the Freep who are rational and use logic.

27 posted on 05/12/2009 10:15:38 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Such a pity, to see Freepers still addicted to the Hollyweird teat.)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
Your comment is a perfect example of “obfuscation” in that it seeks to confuse instead of clarify.

What's confusing? You made a global statement that skeptics were incapable of rational thought.You used no qualifiers. Read your post 15 again.

28 posted on 05/12/2009 10:19:13 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Such a pity, to see Freepers still addicted to the Hollyweird teat.)
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To: JoJo Gunn
Bias, whether for or against, is not rational or logical. That doesn't mean that a person who has a bias in one area is incapable of rational thought and behavior in others.

In fact, it doesn't even imply that their conclusion, however reached, is in error. All it means is that their examination is open to error in correlation to the strength or power of their bias.

See my point?

29 posted on 05/12/2009 10:22:24 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: Quix
Most of the time, capable and demonstrating are quite different things hereon in that regard.

Quix, you know that the burden of proof, without fail, is always on those who make extraordinary claims. 

30 posted on 05/12/2009 10:26:10 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Such a pity, to see Freepers still addicted to the Hollyweird teat.)
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To: JoJo Gunn
I didn't make any such statement and that is where you resort to obfuscation.

I stated that belief/faith is not a product of rational thought. I did not say that a person who holds beliefs (as we all do) is incapable of rational thought.

That said, I would love to see you parse my statement to prove your point...so have at it.

31 posted on 05/12/2009 10:26:29 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: JoJo Gunn; Quix
Hey Quix...can you see where my following statement can in any way be construed as a global pronunciations that skeptics aren't capable of rational thought?
A person setting out to prove something exists is similar to one who sets out to prove the same thing doesn't exist.

They both start from a point of bias and their judgment will be so colored.

Skeptics are the mirror image of those who believe without evidence...neither approach the subject scientifically. To both, their belief is a matter of faith and/or desire...and not the product of rational thought.


32 posted on 05/12/2009 10:30:36 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: Quix
"Great guy, Guy. An excellent authentic Christian who walks the talk."

Yes.
As well as a solid, honest man to do business with. ;^)
{~just thought I'd throw that in, my friend. :^) }

33 posted on 05/12/2009 10:33:54 AM PDT by Landru (Arghh, Liberals are trapped in my colon like spackle or paste.)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies; JoJo Gunn
I see that:

A person setting out to prove something exists is similar to one who sets out to prove the same thing doesn't exist.

They both start from a point of bias and their judgment will be so colored.

Skeptics are the mirror image of those who believe without evidence...neither approach the subject scientifically. To both, their belief is a matter of faith and/or desire...and not the product of rational thought.

As an obvious truism.

And, as an obviouis truism, it has a global reach. I think it does encompass accurately both perspectives in such a matter.

However, most naysayers break out in hives, appoplexy and hysterical frothing at the mouth when confronted with anything remotely accusing them of having a shred of faith about anything. One wonders how they manage to have faith that other drivers will stop at red lights.

34 posted on 05/12/2009 10:37:48 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Landru

INDEED!

Are you the FREEPER who’s his personal Friend?


35 posted on 05/12/2009 10:39:55 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
Just giving this thread the respect it deserves.


36 posted on 05/12/2009 10:40:29 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Increasingly mulling Newt.)
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To: Quix
"Are you the FREEPER who’s his personal Friend?"

At the risk of being [grossly] misunderstood, whether I am or not?
I'm the kiss and don't tell type, Quix. :^)

37 posted on 05/12/2009 10:53:25 AM PDT by Landru (Arghh, Liberals are trapped in my colon like spackle or paste.)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
See my point?

No, all I see is a bunch of pseudo-intellectual psychobabble. The fact remains, however, that you made a global all-encompassing statement that skeptics aren't capable of rational thought, which certainly reveals your biases as a True Believer.

38 posted on 05/12/2009 10:55:32 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Such a pity, to see Freepers still addicted to the Hollyweird teat.)
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To: JoJo Gunn
Don't be dense.

Skeptics are certainly capable of rational thought as I have stated previously. You are the one who is insisting they are not...and doing so rather irrationally if I may say so.

39 posted on 05/12/2009 10:59:38 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
I stated that belief/faith is not a product of rational thought.

Skeptics are the mirror image of those who believe without evidence...neither approach the subject scientifically. To both, their belief is a matter of faith and/or desire...and not the product of rational thought. 

I'm a skeptic and it has nothing to do with a belief system or "faith" or "desire". When the kook fringies make their insane claims, I and the other "naysayers" question them and easily take them apart with nothing but common sense and rationality, which the True Believers would try, in typical leftist fashion, to demonize.

40 posted on 05/12/2009 11:07:04 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Such a pity, to see Freepers still addicted to the Hollyweird teat.)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Thanks.

BTTT.


41 posted on 05/12/2009 11:09:28 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: JoJo Gunn
I'm a skeptic and it has nothing to do with a belief system or "faith" or "desire".

Oh, you have evidence?

I and the other "naysayers" question them and easily take them apart with nothing but common sense and rationality

Yeah, right. LOL. Are your statements on this thread an example of said taking them apart?

I'm not a believer or a skeptic...but if I were a skeptic, I would be embarrassed by your work above.

42 posted on 05/12/2009 11:11:50 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: Quix

Is there a reason for your posting in a large font? Are you also upset?


43 posted on 05/12/2009 11:13:47 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Such a pity, to see Freepers still addicted to the Hollyweird teat.)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies; Seadog Bytes
From Seadog Bytes


44 posted on 05/12/2009 11:15:00 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Aliens - beyond your expectations!)
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To: JoJo Gunn

No.

You may have forgotten . . .

I LIKE large and colorful fonts.

AND they help my eyes at the 4 ft distance the screen is

AND they help me identify my significant posts quickly when scrolling by.


45 posted on 05/12/2009 11:20:07 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
I'm not a believer or a skeptic...

And we believe you, too. 

46 posted on 05/12/2009 11:21:13 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Such a pity, to see Freepers still addicted to the Hollyweird teat.)
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To: Landru

LOL.

I wish him great success with this symposium.


47 posted on 05/12/2009 11:21:51 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Artemis Webb

I gather you’d rather that the 150+ ping list members totally ignore you.

We might actually be able to manage that . . . or close to it.


48 posted on 05/12/2009 11:22:58 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: JoJo Gunn

JoJo, your are on the losing end of this topic.

I just don’t know how long it will take you to realize that.

Might be wise to at least hedge some of your bets, buddy.


49 posted on 05/12/2009 11:24:18 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Artemis Webb

It’s a persistent curiosity . . .

that those fussing the most about large fonts . . . post in even LARGER fonts

and post thoroughly hideous and obnoxious pictures—obviously TRYING HARD TO BE obnoxious.

Fascinating duplicity.


50 posted on 05/12/2009 11:25:32 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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