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(John) Daly finds way back (don't call it a comeback...)
The Washington Times ^ | May 17, 2009 | Staff

Posted on 05/17/2009 11:55:32 AM PDT by St. Louis Conservative

Golf's prodigal son is attempting an overseas salvage operation. While most fans were focused on Tiger Woods, Henrik Stenson and the Stadium Course at Sawgrass last weekend, the game's once-favorite sideshow pitched up in Italy and nearly trumped the PGA Tour's marquee event.

Closing with a 66 in Turin, John Daly finished tied for second at the BMW Italian Open, notching his first top-10 in any event since Woods clipped him in a playoff at the 2005 WGC-American Express Championship.

The performance in Italy marked his third made cut in four starts this season on the European Tour, Daly's temporary home while he serves the final weeks of a six-month PGA Tour suspension handed down by commissioner Tim Finchem following Daly's latest brush with scandal.

On Oct. 27, Daly passed out in the parking lot outside a Hooters in Winston-Salem, N.C., and police took the intoxicated golfer to jail for a safe night's sleep. Unfortunately, somebody in the department leaked a booking photo of a bloated, boozy Daly in an orange jumper. The picture was an instant Internet sensation. And though Daly was not officially charged in the incident, the tour felt compelled to take action, suspending the game's black sheep until June for conduct detrimental to the tour.

The two-time major champion called the suspension the low point in a career sabotaged by deep personal valleys: three trips to alcohol rehabilitation clinics, four failed marriages, multiple suspensions and fines and millions in gambling losses. His sponsorship with Hooters dissolved and his entire life in foreclosure, Daly seemed to understand that his European exile could be the final chance in a life defined by mulligans.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Society; Sports
KEYWORDS: golf; johndaly; pga; sports

1 posted on 05/17/2009 11:55:32 AM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: St. Louis Conservative

2 posted on 05/17/2009 11:59:28 AM PDT by razorback-bert (We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers.)
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To: razorback-bert

Looks like the art critic Robert Hughes.


3 posted on 05/17/2009 12:00:03 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Clemenza

Yes, but Robert Hughes is 71 years old, not 43.


4 posted on 05/17/2009 12:21:12 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ("Bankruptcy is not a sign of weakness.")
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To: razorback-bert
Probably the most physically talented golfer after Tiger Woods, but there the resemblance ends. For every ounce of talent, John Daly packs a pound of character flaws which somehow do not bespeak of a smallness of character but rather of a spirit too large even for his massive body. He can do the most childish and outlandish things and yet we do not see him as a hateful man but as an overactive pre-teen whose hormones cause him to squander talents which could only have come from God.

Maybe that is why we are so ready to forgive him his peccadilloes. We are rooting for him in an elemental struggle played out over 18 holes which is really biblical and transcendental.


5 posted on 05/17/2009 12:45:28 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
Tiger Woods has said Daly was the most talented golfer. Daly had an incredible game. His stomach op to lose weight has shed 60 pounds. he is financially and probably physically at rock bottom. If he plays well and keeps clean then fans will embrace him but time is running out.

There are too many good young players. He can still make money and at 50 move to the Champions Tour but unless he eats better, stops smoking and drinking then he may die young.

The only people he has hurt are himself and to a lesser extent his fans, sponsors and some tourneys. He never strangled any dogs, took steroid's (from what we can tell), ran anyone over, beaten anyone up, etc. His problem in compulsive disorders and alcoholism.

6 posted on 05/17/2009 12:56:23 PM PDT by Frantzie
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To: nathanbedford

“He can do the most childish and outlandish things and yet we do not see him as a hateful man but as an overactive pre-teen whose hormones cause him to squander talents which could only have come from God.”

I see him as a drunken bum.


7 posted on 05/17/2009 12:58:21 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: jessduntno
Ah, my friend, I fear you have not taken to heart our President's commencement speech.


8 posted on 05/17/2009 1:04:55 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

until John Daly gets clean and sober and works a program it is all just whistling in the dark. He can’t go away soon enough for me. I pray for his getting sober for the long term, but at some point you gotta move on. He is a moving traffic accident. He just shites on God gifts to him. Less gifted are to be admired for their discipline, humility, and hard work. John possesses none of these as he is an active addict and alcoholic. He is a selfish baby that has been given every opportunity and shites on them all and all that have supported him. He is a real loser.


9 posted on 05/17/2009 1:05:35 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: nathanbedford

“Ah, my friend, I fear you have not taken to heart our President’s commencement speech.”

Ahhh, but I have...I think this drunken clown’s career should be aborted...


10 posted on 05/17/2009 1:07:33 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: GOP Poet

“I pray for his getting sober for the long term, but at some point you gotta move on.”

Exactly. I have nothing but pity for alcoholics...but once or twice through treatment programs and once they understand there is a cure, the self-willed rejection of help, tratment and faith, the rejection of friends and family and the pain you spread makes you a bum...period.


11 posted on 05/17/2009 1:10:32 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: jessduntno
We all to some degree or another are possessed of our demons. John Daly's demons are more flamboyant and they are shown to us on national television. But as I said, I do not see him as a hateful man but one desperately in need of a spiritual awakening. John Daly does not need a golf coach he needs an epiphany. John does not need to try harder to stop drinking, I am sure that there are a few who have tried harder than he has. His problem is not a want of effort. It is not a reprehensible weakness.

Most people who know anything about alcoholism would not decry John Dally as a drunken bum. He is, of course, and they would not be at all bashful about acknowledging the fact, but those knowledgeable about the recovery from this sort of degradation will tell you that the path up and out for John Dally is not to try harder to be righteous but to get right with his God.

John Daly's problem is not that he is a drunk but that he is estranged. Think of George Bush's come to Jesus meeting with Rev. Billy Graham. The sequence for George Bush was to end the estrangement and then sobriety came relatively easily with relatively little effort.

Have you no demons?


12 posted on 05/17/2009 1:26:36 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: GOP Poet

John Daly is a tragic hero. He’s an interesting character. I will continue to root for him.


13 posted on 05/17/2009 2:19:15 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Is he going to try to qualify for the open?

ML/NJ

14 posted on 05/17/2009 2:44:45 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: St. Louis Conservative
John Daly is a tragic hero. He’s an interesting character.

John Daly is a tragic hero. He’s an interesting character.

There. Much better now. LOL. Hero John is not. The men and women of our military are heros. The firefighters and many police officers are heros. John Daly? He is just another fallen creature that thinks he is god. When one has been given the world over and over again and spits on all of that and those who have risked to help him, he is no hero. He is an arrogant, ungrateful self indulgent loser.

15 posted on 05/17/2009 2:47:11 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: GOP Poet

I disagree. Daly is a real life “Tin Cup”.

He and the late Payne Stewart are my favorite golfers.


16 posted on 05/17/2009 3:46:15 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: nathanbedford

“Have you no demons?”

Yep. But being a drunken Bum is a choice, not an affliction, once you understand alcoholism and this bum does. He is choosing to lose. Too bad, too sad....


17 posted on 05/17/2009 4:44:19 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: jessduntno
You are clearly grotesquely ignorant on the subject of alcoholism. Recovery from alcoholism is not a matter of cognition.

Think about it, in order to cure alcoholism all the world's alcoholics need is to sit down with you for five minutes while you explain the folly of their ways so they will for ever after refrain from drinking alcohol. If, they are poor pupils and do not do their homework but drink again, you can righteously point out how morally deficient they are.

I wonder why all the moralizers in all of history did not think of that and cure alcoholism centuries ago for once and all?


18 posted on 05/17/2009 5:01:07 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

As I said, being a drunken Bum is a choice, not an affliction, once you understand alcoholism and this bum does. He’s been in treatment, HEUNDERSTANDS THE DISEASE AND CHOOSES TO DO NOTHING. Save your pity for those who don’t undersatnd it. There are millions of them. Many millions have been cured by programs and this bum knows all about them and dimisses them. He’s chosen to be a poor poor pitiful bum. You have chosen to be the reason bums like this keep going down the path; your warm fuzzy pity feeds them like mother’s milk. You are part of the problem, not part of the solution.


19 posted on 05/17/2009 5:24:26 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

He and the late Payne Stewart are my favorite golfers.

Putting a man like Payne and this bum in the same sentence, let alone category, is an abomination.


20 posted on 05/17/2009 5:26:13 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: jessduntno

I like them both for different reasons.


21 posted on 05/17/2009 5:30:55 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: jessduntno
Repeating foolishness does not make it true.

You keep saying that he understands alcoholism. First, it is clear that you do not. Second, even if the "drunken bum" does "understand " alcoholism which you say it means that he understands that he has a choice- but he chooses to do nothing.

The very problem of alcoholism is that the individual has lost that power of choice. If he had the power of choice it would be irrational for him to engage in the conduct and he would simply exercise good judgment based on cognition and stop the behavior. How come all these millions of people that you cite have not done it that way?

If you mean that Mr. Daley's choice option is to seek rehabilitative therapy, according to the article he has done that several times. He made the choice you want. It did not work. You might be interested to know that there is virtually no statistical difference in long-time sobriety rates between alcoholics who voluntarily submit themselves to inpatient treatment as opposed to those who do so involuntarily. It seems that the power of choice is not so clear-cut.

If you take a look at Dr. Jelinek's seminal treatise on alcoholism, for example, you will see a distinction made between compulsion and obsession. Most people understand that the alcoholic loses his power of choice after he consumes the first drink. They understand and accept the compulsive nature of the disease after the fire is lit. But most people do not understand is that the obsessive character of the disease means that he has lost the power to refuse the first drink. That is the mystery my friend. Self knowledge is no defense against the obsession anymore than it is a defense against diarrhea.

This phenomenon is not limited to alcoholism. Rush Limbaugh is currently losing several stone of weight any frankly says that he will put it right back on as he has dozens of times in the past. Do you say that should have his career taken away from him as you say of John Daly that he should have his career forfeited? Of course not. But Rush Limbaugh does not seem to have the power of choice over his demon. Yet, by all the evidence, he has successfully come off OxyContin and the other drugs. Why is he successful with one and not the other? There is so much we do not know and it is so easy to pass judgment.

I am not part of Mr. Daley's problem. I do not pity him and I do not enable him. His problem is ultimately between himself and his God. I am not to blame for alcoholism. He is too big and strong for me to force alcohol down his throat. But neither do I judge him so self righteously. There are too many layers of the onion that must be peeled. I am, I confess, fascinated by his struggle for the reason I stated in my very first post, it is a biblical struggle and it is transcendental.

If there is anyone else reading this exchange, it is interesting to apply these principles to why people are liberal as opposed to conservative. My theory, for what it is worth, parallels what we know about alcoholism: the liberal is compelled to do what he does and believe as he does because, he would be God. Just as the alcoholic plays God and tries to arrange the universe to his satisfaction by changing his perception of it through alcohol, the liberal is compelled to rearrange the world to his satisfaction because he is a stranger to the first commandment.

That is my theory and I am sticking with it.


22 posted on 05/17/2009 6:45:20 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

“The very problem of alcoholism is that the individual has lost that power of choice.”

You are an idiot. Unless the man is being held down and having alcohol poured down his throat, he can make the same choice several million of us make each day, one day at a time. Don’t pick up the drink. It’s the only cure. He makes the choice to pick up the drink. The man takes the drink, the drink takes the man. He knows better now and he continues to makes the choice. He is a coward and a bum.

Let me guess - you are in the process of killing yourself or some other poor bastrd by enabling them.


23 posted on 05/17/2009 7:21:16 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: Frantzie
His problem in compulsive disorders and alcoholism.

That, and the IQ of a doorknob, as Johnny Carson might have said....

24 posted on 05/17/2009 7:24:11 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Impeach now!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
He’s an interesting character.

Saw him at the Skins Game here in La Quinta several years ago......very sullen kinda guy. Man, could he pound that ball, though. (He got aced that year....zero $$)

25 posted on 05/17/2009 7:26:42 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Impeach now!)
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To: jessduntno

Payne Stewart. Still miss him. He was a good man. Still remember the day . . . breaks my heart to think about it. He was such a joyous man and a believer. Betcha he is making God laugh up there with his fun spirit.


26 posted on 05/17/2009 10:50:46 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: GOP Poet

“He was such a joyous man and a believer. Betcha he is making God laugh up there with his fun spirit.”

I’ll bet He met him wearing knickers...


27 posted on 05/17/2009 10:52:56 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: ErnBatavia
Yes. I have seen him play quite a lot both recently and along the way and man he can drive that ball. I was surprised too to see how brilliant he is on the putting green. Deadly combination and two very different gifts. Too bad he just throws it all down the shitter.

Still draws a big crowd though and when we do see him play in a US tournament these days it is usually ONLY because of this reason. Let no one delude themselves otherwise. Sponsors like crowds. Eventually though even that wouldn't get him in the door because he burned those bridges as well. If it comes in his path. He burns it.

28 posted on 05/17/2009 10:55:13 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: jessduntno

LOL. Yeah. I got the visual on that exchange. Now stop it you’re making me tear up. :-)


29 posted on 05/17/2009 11:11:41 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Frantzie

“He never strangled any dogs, took steroid’s (from what we can tell), ran anyone over, beaten anyone up, etc.”

JOHN DALY, the 1991 P.G.A. champion, has been arrested and charged with third-degree assault in Castle Rock, Colo., in an incident that occurred in his home early Sunday morning.

During the incident, police charge, Daly threw his wife against a wall.

Daly, 26 years old, was arrested Wednesday, Sgt. KIM CASTELLANO of the Douglas County Sheriff’s Department said yesterday. In accordance with the county’s domestic violence policy, Daly was taken before a judge and posted $1,000 bond, Castellano said.

John’s alcohol problems reached a crescendo in December of 1992. During a Christmas party at their new five-bedroom home in Castle Pines, he and Bettye got into a nasty fight. According to reports, after becoming sloppy drunk, John pushed over a big-screen TV, punched a few holes into the wall, then shoved his wife into a wall while pulling her hair.

His biggest paycheck from May to August was $13,150 in the NEC World Series of Golf. In that event he wrestled in the parking lot with a 62-year-old fan who accused him of having deliberately driven his tee shot into the group playing ahead of him during that day’s round.

After drinking for 14 hours straight, John lost control of himself. Six security guards were summoned to his hotel and labored to subdue him.

Yeah. Never hurt anyone but himself. Stop infantilizing this poor bstrd and propping him up. Let him hit bottom so he might live. Geez...the only success he has ever had was when he was temporarily sober...


30 posted on 05/17/2009 11:12:11 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: GOP Poet

“LOL. Yeah. I got the visual on that exchange. Now stop it you’re making me tear up. :-) “

A worthy reason...we need more like him today more than ever.


31 posted on 05/17/2009 11:14:27 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: GOP Poet

Let me correct myself. John is not brilliant around the greens as much as he has the touch. He is a darn good putter sometimes in spite of the emotional and physical hangovers he can bring to the field. His putting gift really stands out juxtaposed with the huge distance he gets off the tee. I at first thought he was just a big hitter and then I saw the rest of his game and was shocked. God has given him so much. Too bad he can’t auction off his talent. At this point he just plays to pay the bills and to keep his appearance fees up.


32 posted on 05/17/2009 11:18:42 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: jessduntno
A worthy reason...we need more like him today more than ever.

Yes. You can say that again.

A worthy reason...we need more like him today more than ever.

:-D. More than ever.

33 posted on 05/17/2009 11:24:42 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: jessduntno
I think we have reached the point of diminishing returns. I posted an observation that John Daly was undergoing a spirtual struggle. That he was not a "hateful man" and we were pulling for hm in his spiritual struggle. You volunteered a reply callin a "drunken bum." In subsequent posts you of heard that the quote understands unquote alcoholism, that he is possessed of the power of choice, and has declined to exercise that choice.

I did not see much point in saying yes when you say no. I hope it is not necessary for me to formally deny that I am "killing" myself or anyone else. But I did take a minute to Google, "alcoholism power of choice" and this is the first thing that popped up. Apparently it was written by some guy named Bill, whoever he is, who wrote a book called As Bill Sees It. I thought I would pass it along to you in case you can make something of it:

As Bill Sees It

Page 88

Will Power And Choice "We A.A.'s know the futility of trying to break the drinking obsession by will power alone. However, we do know that it takes great willingness to adopt A.A.'s Twelve Steps as a way of life that can restore us to sanity.

"No matter how grievous the alcohol obsession, we happily find that other vital choices can still be made. For example, we can choose to admit that we are personally powerless over alcohol; that dependence upon a 'Higher Power' is a necessity, even if this be simply dependence upon an A.A. group. Then we can choose to try for a life of honesty and humility, of selfless service to our fellows and to 'God as we understand Him.'

"As we continue to make these choices and so move toward these high aspirations, our sanity returns and the compulsion to drink vanishes,"

Letter, 1966

http://www.cyberrecovery.net/forums/showthread.php?t=21976


34 posted on 05/18/2009 2:55:08 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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