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UFO believer: We're not the only ones
thonline ^ | May 31, 2009 | CRAIG D. REBER

Posted on 05/31/2009 6:20:05 PM PDT by JoeProBono

GALENA, Ill. -- Irving Berlin's "White Christmas" -- made popular by Bing Crosby -- sat on the top of U.S. music charts on Jan. 4, 1947, out of this world so to speak. Several months later, Roswell, N.M. would become the epicenter of all things out-of-this world.

Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr. was 11 when he was awakened around 1 a.m. on a July morning in 1947, when his father, Jesse Marcel, rushed into the family home. What he showed his wife and son changed the world forever.

Marcel Jr., the author of "The Roswell Legacy," was one of several guest speakers at this weekend's Out of This World UFO Conference at Eagle Ridge Resort and Spa in Galena.

Marcel Sr. was a U.S. Air Force intelligence officer, a major, who was dispatched to collect debris from a crash at a ranch near Roswell.

"He realized this was something unique, not a radar target or an aircraft or anything that he had ever seen before," Marcel Jr. told his Jo Daviess County audience. "He knew what radar targets looked like."

Marcel brought the debris into Jesse Marcel Jr.

Jesse Marcel Jr. began a 38-year military career in the U.S. Navy and went on to retire as a colonel in the National Guard. He works as a specialist in otolaryngology (ear, nose and throat medicine) at the Veterans Administration Hospital, Fort Harrison, Mont.

the house which was on the way from the ranch to the nearby air base. He wanted his family to see it. It was placed neatly on the kitchen floor.

"He said, 'Look at this. I think this is parts of a flying saucer,' or words to that effect," Marcel Jr. said. "I thought, 'What's a flying saucer?'"

The debris contained no electronic components, like vacuum tubes, resistors or condensers.

"There's a lot of foil-like debris, you can't really describe it," Marcel Jr. said. "It had a strange quality to it, weird stuff. It was like Mylar -- nothing like what we had in 1947 -- or what we have now. One of the beams had writing, resembling geometric symbols."

Marcel flew the debris to Fort Worth (Texas) Air Field where its commander, Gen. Roger Ramey examined it.

"The cover story started at that point," Marcel Jr. said. "The cover story was this was a radar target -- nothing more, which obviously was ludicrous."

Marcel Jr. recalled that after his father returned from Fort Worth, he told his family never to talk again about what had happened.

That's the way it was for many years until Stanton Friedman, a UFO investigator and nuclear physicist, interviewed Marcel Sr. in 1978 and got the story going from there.

Marcel Jr. said the incident changed his life.

"It actually made me more religious because it made me realize that our creator created a vast universe with other people out there -- so we're not the only ones," he said.

"It's maddening that the government has not released this information ...," he said. "They will in due time, and I hope in my lifetime because I would like to tell people I saw this stuff and I told you so."


TOPICS: UFO's; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: jessemarcel; jessemarceljr; kooks; roswell; ufo
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To: Talisker

“So it seems we’re in agreement”

Somehow I doubt it!

Roswell and the Marcels illustrate the point that even good people with good intentions can make subjective errors in perception. This is sometimes referred to as the “Rashomon effect”, after the famous Japanese film.


51 posted on 05/31/2009 9:52:04 PM PDT by devere
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To: devere
This is sometimes referred to as the “Rashomon effect”, after the famous Japanese film.

I get it, and I'm applying it to you just as you're applying it to me. But I'm also smiling, so let's just agree to disagree.

52 posted on 05/31/2009 10:01:00 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: cayuga

Shaky video hand.


53 posted on 05/31/2009 10:13:06 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: All

UFOs ARE REAL...


54 posted on 05/31/2009 10:14:34 PM PDT by WashStateGirl
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To: LucyT

55 posted on 05/31/2009 10:14:43 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: WashStateGirl

“UFOs ARE REAL”

I can’t argue with that. The many observers are reliable, and their observations are remarkable. But what are UFOs? No one really knows.


56 posted on 05/31/2009 10:25:47 PM PDT by devere
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To: BenLurkin

But Al is an expert in SCIENCE! lol

It’s called “zombie science”: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2207237/posts


57 posted on 05/31/2009 10:30:22 PM PDT by devere
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To: JoeProBono

THANKS THANKS.


58 posted on 06/01/2009 12:10:57 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: JoeProBono

It’s such a blessing to know that Jesse Marcel Jr, MD is a Conservative Christian . . . wounded Iraq Vet MD on top of all his other accomplishments.

I’m glad he made such a presentation at the conference.

Maybe he will come on here and comment.


59 posted on 06/01/2009 12:12:58 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: BlueStateBlues

Are you a naysayer or what?


60 posted on 06/01/2009 12:13:29 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: dljordan

Thanks.

I love it when FREEPERS SPEAK UP FOR THE TRUTH

AS THEY THEMSELVES HAVE EXPERIENCED IT FIRST HAND.


61 posted on 06/01/2009 12:15:17 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: EAGLE7

WRONG.

The 11 year old boy; wounded Iraq Vet specialist surgeon MD did not lie then. He’s not lying now.

. . . in addition . . . nor is my relative lying nor a very long list of others.


62 posted on 06/01/2009 12:17:14 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: pburgh01
This is one of the most apt, accurate, perceptive and fitting posts I've ever read on an FR UFO thread about naysayers posting idiocies. THANKS TONS.

Have you studied ufology? Groom Lake? The MJ12 hoax, read anything by Stan Grodon, Muiltiverses. I figured as much. Swamp gas in desert New Mexico? What a thoughtful and snarky bit of.."I have to chime in with random mouth diarrhea in this thread"

[I did correct "diarrhea" spelling. I have trouble with that one, too.]

63 posted on 06/01/2009 12:22:31 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: muir_redwoods

“You should meet my inlaws.”

Love it.


64 posted on 06/01/2009 12:23:32 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Talisker

I don’t think such cluelessness is worth even a smirk, much less a grin.


65 posted on 06/01/2009 12:24:17 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Talisker

Glad he’s on our side. I couldn’t tell, either.

The statement is still a good one generally about naysayer’s attitudes.


66 posted on 06/01/2009 12:25:05 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Dallas59

THEY certainly are DESTRUCTIVE.

And . . . in cahoots with the critters and their Dark Lord.


67 posted on 06/01/2009 12:25:48 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
WRONG.............

LOL, fighting the fight late tonight are we Quix?

68 posted on 06/01/2009 12:27:12 AM PDT by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: EAGLE7

Welllllllll my relative worked . . . essentially . . . there.

What he told me were not, mostly, per se, rumors. They were facts as he experienced them and was told them by the high ranking folks he worked with.


69 posted on 06/01/2009 12:27:51 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: BlueStateBlues

If you’re NOT a naysayer,

welcome aboard!

Thanks for your good attitude and humor. Satire and even sarcasm in behalf of the truth are good things.


70 posted on 06/01/2009 12:30:04 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: mkjessup

A nameless disinformation specialist, probably.


71 posted on 06/01/2009 12:30:34 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: EAGLE7; Las Vegas Dave; DCPatriot; JoeProBono
Your link is an unmitigated illogical, idiotic, stupid, clueless farce and readily demonstrated to be so.

1. The Mogal dummies were not used until 5 years AFTER Roswell.

2. We have a FREEPER who first hand experienced, observed the 'I' beam with the characters on them. He is NOT LYING when he notes that they did not look like the stupid flower designs at all.

3. Try posting facts vs disinfo vomit.

72 posted on 06/01/2009 12:35:33 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Talisker

Fascinating.

I assume the movement was very fast?

Thx


73 posted on 06/01/2009 12:36:26 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: pepperdog

Thanks for your first-hand observation. . . . OBSERVATION.

Most Naysayers have NO CAPACITY

to distinguish an observation from a drunken hallucination.

They seem to be severely cognitively challenged.


74 posted on 06/01/2009 12:38:07 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Talisker

I think Dr Hynek was the one who came up with “swamp gas”

when pressed in a press conference situation way back in Proj. Bluebook.

He later regretted ever having used the phrase and advocated government release of the truth.


75 posted on 06/01/2009 12:39:29 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: devere

What unmitigated cluelessness.


76 posted on 06/01/2009 12:41:37 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: JoeProBono

Thanks.

He’s an authentic Christian;
He’s a real Patriot;
He’s a real battlefield; battle hardened; battle injured Iraq war Vet;
He’s a first hand UFO experiencer in terms of handling the real ROSWEL debris;
He’s a real conservative;
. . .


77 posted on 06/01/2009 12:43:15 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

78 posted on 06/01/2009 12:43:27 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

Thanks.

Ain’t it interestin . . .

the naysayers scream for hard tangible evidence

and then poo all over it when presented.

What integrity! What brilliance! What brutal honesty they have with themselves! /sarcasm.


79 posted on 06/01/2009 12:44:51 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Talisker

Jesse was 11 years old.

According to him. I figure he knew how old he was.


80 posted on 06/01/2009 12:45:45 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: JoeProBono

Thanks.


81 posted on 06/01/2009 12:47:02 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: The Cajun

Came back early from the trip. Went to bed about 20:00.

Up again.

Wheeee.

Not in a mood to suffer clueless naysayer idiots much at all and certainly not gladly.

LOL.

Thanks.


82 posted on 06/01/2009 12:48:11 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: EAGLE7
"The Roswell Incident, for example does sound believable, but it has been shown that it was not a UFO that crashed in the desert"

how?

83 posted on 06/01/2009 4:28:40 AM PDT by Mr. K (physically unabel to proofreed (<---oops))
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To: JoJo Gunn

yes there is


84 posted on 06/01/2009 4:30:56 AM PDT by Mr. K (physically unabel to proofreed (<---oops))
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To: Quix

“What unmitigated cluelessness.”

Sorry for disbelieving in your religion.


85 posted on 06/01/2009 5:54:34 AM PDT by devere
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To: Mr. K

“”The Roswell Incident, for example does sound believable, but it has been shown that it was not a UFO that crashed in the desert”

“how?”

Overwhelming evidence to the contrary:

http://www.roswellfiles.com/storytellers/KentJeffrey1.htm


86 posted on 06/01/2009 5:58:01 AM PDT by devere
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To: Mr. K
"yes there is" what?
87 posted on 06/01/2009 6:21:26 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn
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To: Dallas59

and they dress funny.


88 posted on 06/01/2009 6:24:32 AM PDT by Bookwoman ("...and I am unanimous in this..")
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To: devere

Not my religion at all.

It merely began as a hobby related to science fiction in my youth. Then I realized it had implications for Bible Prophecy events. Then I learned my relative had worked around them.

You are welcome to believe in whatever TYPE II ERROR likelihoods suit your type of chronic fantasies.

I’m trying to avoid paying attention to ignorance on the UFO threads much at all.

However, sometimes, it still is soooooo outrageously extensive that it begs a response and I can’t seem to resist.


89 posted on 06/01/2009 6:28:03 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Mr. K

Hasn’t been shown to be so.

Some clueless idiots, including one who formerly knew better, just claim such nonsense.

There’s plenty of mystery left. However, the basic facts are pretty well extensively documented. Some key ones, by a famous FREEPER.


90 posted on 06/01/2009 6:29:20 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: devere

No.

Jeffrey is also clueless even after all his research.

Maybe the powers that be needed another disinfo hack job.

Maybe he thought he could make money with such nonsense.

His whole book if silly.

He’s essentially making out a long list of solid folks to be liars.


91 posted on 06/01/2009 6:31:18 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: JoeProBono

LMAO! All this UFO stuff is funny! Silly people.


92 posted on 06/01/2009 6:33:37 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: Quix

Let’s see what is illogical, idiotic, stupid and clueless.....

Believing that a highly advanced alien civilization traveled untold light years to visit a deserted field in NM, only to clumsily crash, OR.......

That a top secret weather balloon (Project Mogul)crashed there and the Air Force, unable to divulge the nature of the debris, said it was a routine weather balloon?

All Roswell has done is to help shine a brilliant spotlight on our Nations top secret Military facility whose function is to develop the most sophisticated weapons for the purpose of our National security!! But idiots and fools have been duped into believing that ALF is actually living there and helping our otherwise stupid scientist and engineers who probablby couldn’t build a model plane without ET’s help. Get a life!

It is human nature to want to believe sensational stories rather than the truth, like the Kennedy assassination. Every organization with the exception of the Girl Scouts, have been named as being involved in the Kennedy murder. No one wants to believe that a leftist insignificant loon acted alone.

As far as a FReeper with first hand knowledge....after reading some of the posts over the past several months by certain FReepers who....hate cops, advocate revolution, and hate Northerners, you’ll excuse me if I DON”T take his word for it.

SHOW ME FACTS INSTEAD OF POSTING LIES VOMIT.


93 posted on 06/01/2009 7:35:15 AM PDT by EAGLE7 (They MAY take our lives but they'll never take our freedom!)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

“LMAO! All this UFO stuff is funny! Silly people.”

Haha. The wisest post I’ve read concerning this thread! Thanks.


94 posted on 06/01/2009 7:39:33 AM PDT by EAGLE7 (They MAY take our lives but they'll never take our freedom!)
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To: EAGLE7

I like your list of heros.

I think your . . . consideration . . .

of the UFO stuff is . . . grossly flawed, at best.

Cheers.

BTW, How long have you studied the topic?

How many 10’s of thousands of pages of testimony have you read?


95 posted on 06/01/2009 8:21:24 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: EAGLE7

So now naysayers are

labeling ignorance as wise?

Amazing.

Almost like liberals and their rubber dictionaries.


96 posted on 06/01/2009 8:22:08 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

I’m a what, not a naysayer. Is this a regular thread topic? I thought it was a random UFO thread, didn’t know that a group of people meet. I’ve had some blowback from a couple of people who felt intruded upon, so my ‘pologies to the group. Thought the last portion of my post would make it clear it was satire, a historical comment on those who don’t believe or have an open mind about what they haven’t seen themselves.


97 posted on 06/01/2009 8:50:28 AM PDT by BlueStateBlues (Blue State business, Red State heart. . . . .Palin 2012----can't come soon enough!)
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To: BlueStateBlues

No big sweat.

SORRY,

I’m not in the best mood . . . probably worst in years. But overcoming it . . . just not fully yet.

Sorry about the naysayer label when not true.

Sorry about missing the satire.

I have a problem discerning satire well and easily—my flaw—relates back to my mother’s double-bound communications which were purported to be jokes but usually had a nasty barb in them—at least one.

/s; /sar;

/Satire tags are wise on UFO threads particularly.

We get sooooo much clueless hideous tread trashing naysayer junk on these threads that some of us have hair-trigger responses to anything similar—particularly me.

Blessings,


98 posted on 06/01/2009 9:17:17 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: BlueStateBlues

The UFO ping list is between 160 and 200 people at last guesstimate.

Most are silent on the threads because they don’t like the idiotic derisiveness of naysayers who typically trash a UFO thread into oblivion.


99 posted on 06/01/2009 9:18:26 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: EAGLE7

I realize you

—are probably NOT a psychologist as I am
—have probably NOT met with 8-12 internationally famous solid serious UFO researchers on 2-3 continents.
—have probably NOT studied the topic since 1960 with anything in the same galaxy as a seriously fair-minded approach

—are probably more than a bit addicted to a TYPE II ERROR
—are probably more than a bit narrow, rigid, in perspective, attitude about such things . . .
—are probably above average in cheeky derisiveness toward folks who disagree with your construction on reality.


100 posted on 06/01/2009 9:22:02 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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