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Sanford Says He's Forced to Sign Stimulus Request (Forced? I didn't see no gun to his head)
http://www.newsmax.com/ ^ | June 8, 2009 | www.newsmax.com

Posted on 06/08/2009 7:39:30 PM PDT by Maelstorm

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To: fieldmarshaldj

In the interest of full disclosure, I worked for Mark once upon a time. So the personal endorsement is that he is a good man and deserves the benefit of the doubt. As an attorney, I think I should also say that when the court says he has no choice, then good government requires he sign the thing. It is not healthy to foster a constitutional crisis, and I think Mark deserves credit for standing tall in a very difficult environment. Not many have put their back to the wall in the way Mark has, and staked their reputation in court for a conservative cause, so you all should cut him some slack here. For myself, I am proud to have worked for him, and would be proud to do so again. So Mark, if you’re reading this, lo these many years later, thanks for the opportunities, and keep giving them hell! You have a lot of people who know you well and believe in you.


21 posted on 06/08/2009 8:45:52 PM PDT by Another Kansan (Mark Sanford is a stand up guy.)
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To: Darren McCarty

Especially a State Supreme Court that has only 1 alleged Republican member.


22 posted on 06/08/2009 8:46:28 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: nc28205
Then what is he signing?

-PJ

23 posted on 06/08/2009 8:49:59 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (This just in... Voting Republican is a Terrorist act!)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Then what is he signing?

The application for the funds.

24 posted on 06/08/2009 9:35:28 PM PDT by Antonello (Oh my God, don't shoot the banana!)
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To: Maelstorm
(Forced? I didn't see no gun to his head)

The very real consequence of being booted out of office and into prison sounds like a gun to me.

25 posted on 06/08/2009 9:38:13 PM PDT by Antonello (Oh my God, don't shoot the banana!)
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To: TexasKate

I think that there is a time to ignore judges, as we seem to have no other option. The idea that a judge has said it, therefore it is right, is not correct.
Sure, this leads to problems, like the infamous Jacksonian response. The question of when this is a valid tactic and when it is not is tricky and prone to abuse. Then we will need another check for this, I suppose, but it may work out. Perhaps the legislature can step in with funding issues?
The courts lack executive power, and the true executive should at times decide not to enforce their orders.
Terri Schiavo comes to mind.
Courts sending officials to schools to make sure that they follow decisions, rather than waiting for an actual complaint to them, also comes to mind (ever heard of a court enforcing a visitation order in such a manner?)
It is more than time that people begin to say to the courts that they are wrong and will not be followed.

Food for thought:
http://www.acuf.org/issues/issue110/080621news.asp


26 posted on 06/08/2009 9:46:28 PM PDT by Apogee
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To: cranked
He could have told the supreme court to try and force his signature...just let it sit on his desk. He wanted it or he would not have signed it. That is unless he is not aware of the fact that the S.C. is a co-equal branch of gov’t. Not superior to executive branch..for that matter the legislature is co-equal and cannot force the executive branch to do anything it doesn't want to do...he wants to have his cake and eat it too...
27 posted on 06/08/2009 11:03:52 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Apogee

The question is, is this the time? I’m not sure we’re to that point yet and that is a slippery slope. If Sanford ignores the judges’ ruling, what if other Dem governors start ignoring rulings they don’t like, ones that we feel they should follow. Its surely something you don’t do lightly.


29 posted on 06/09/2009 5:51:39 AM PDT by TexasKate
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To: goat granny
for that matter the legislature is co-equal and cannot force the executive branch to do anything it doesn't want to do

Sure it can, and it just did. The legislature has the power to draft the budget, and it can order the executive to spend money. You're watching it in action.

Co-equal branches of government is a clever turn of phrase, but in point of fact, it's nonsense. In the federal government, and the states that I'm familiar with, the legislature holds all the cards.

30 posted on 06/09/2009 5:59:54 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Abbeville Conservative
Don't you have some shilling to do for your RINO candidate for Governor ?

"I would describe myself as a strong fiscal conservative that lean towards social conservativism on many issues."

Now THAT'S funny.

31 posted on 06/09/2009 12:16:24 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Publius Valerius
The legislature drafts the budget, but the governor has the veto pen...The budget can get passed then only with a larger majority of the legislature...No one can force the governor to sign unless they force the pen into his hand and sign it themselves..A big NO means someone is taking a stand against something he does not believe in.

you wrote**Sure it can, and it just did. The legislature has the power to draft the budget, and it can order the executive to spend money. You're watching it in action.**

Thats why I believe the governor wants his cake and eat it too...he didn't have to sign anything. but has political cover by complaining..

hope I am making myself clear, if not I will try again :O)

32 posted on 06/09/2009 1:04:37 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Darren McCarty
Too many state supreme courts think they are above the other branches, many of their rulings should be ignored and let the court force their orders to be done...I remember a Judge in Kansas that for decades has forced increase in taxes and the building of schools that have state of the art everything in it and I still think those orders are still being enforced in some city in Kansas. All in name of integration......

Some of these courts think they are a 9 headed king or dictator...some need to smacked down...

33 posted on 06/09/2009 1:16:49 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny
The legislature drafts the budget, but the governor has the veto pen...The budget can get passed then only with a larger majority of the legislature...No one can force the governor to sign unless they force the pen into his hand and sign it themselves..A big NO means someone is taking a stand against something he does not believe in.

You're describing what happened here. The legislature passed the budget. The governor vetoed it, and the legislature overrode the veto. Then, to top it all off, the Supreme Court of South Carolina issued a writ of mandamus to Sanford ordering him to apply for the funds.

In short, "no" wasn't an option for the governor, unless he was looking forward to jail and impeachment.

34 posted on 06/09/2009 2:13:27 PM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Publius Valerius

If the legislators over road his veto, why was his signature even necessary? Does the state constitution give the judges this right?


35 posted on 06/09/2009 2:36:59 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny

The override of the veto was on the budget, which directed him to use stimulus money. His signature, as I understand it, was on the application to apply for the stimulus money from the feds.

Give judges what right? The right to issue a writ of mandamus? I doubt it’s in the SC constitution, but it’s a common law writ that has been around since probably the magna carta.

The governor was just out of options. Sometimes you lose. That’s just the way things go.


36 posted on 06/09/2009 2:43:43 PM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: fieldmarshaldj; rabscuttle385; upchuck

As I expected this is being unfairly used to bash Sanford by ignorant forces.


37 posted on 06/09/2009 4:20:58 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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