Federal Judge to hear Obama Birth Certificate on the Merits!

Emails ^ | JULY 13TH, 2009 | Alan Peters

[FARS]

Obama eligibility case will be heard on the merits !! Please distribute everywhere.

At the hearing today at the Federal Court building in Santa Ana, Judge Carter reportedly said the following: 1. There will be a trial. 2. It will be heard on the merits. 3. Nothing will be dismissed on proceedural issues. 4. The trial will be expeditious, and the judge pledged to give case priority. 5. Being a former Marine he realizes the importance of having a Constitutionally qualified POTUS/CINC. 6. Judge stated that if Obama isn't Constitutionally qualifed he needs to leave the White House.

[Vendome]

lol! Okay, friend. I won’t mention them again aind will source others.

Message receive loud and clear.

Post on.

[mckenzie7]

I don’t know if they still do it, but years ago, if a pregnant woman wanted to travel, they couldn’t be in their third trimester. Something to do with pressure, etc. that might cause them to go into labor.

[El Gato]

Have DNA tests ever been done? What if Obama is not even her real son?

Look at BHO's chin and ears. Spitting image of Stanley Ann's father's. BHO's sister has the chin, as does one of his daughters. Looks like the genes which encode that chin are generally dominate ones. I guess it's possible the BHO resulted from a liaison of Stanley with some dusky skinned beauty. That way "sister", could have gotten the chin via Stanley Ann, but Barry directly from "grandpa". Don't believe that, but it's possible.

Now I have to admit that might be something embarrassing enough to keep hidden.

[bert]

Murtha the man should be canceled

[FARS]

There is many a slip between the cup and the lip but there is now a train station with a train on the rails and the engineer (Judge Carter) has started the engine on the locomotive.

It will be a long journey but the necessary componenets are FINALLY there with the most important one - the judge, a formerly missing link - now actively involved.

NOt much more will be heard for at least 60-days which he gave the Obama camp to respond.

[erkyl]

The whole timeline just points to concealing Stanley Ann during her pregnancy. That’s what began to make me wonder about his actual parentage. I mean, he could be an illegitimate child from an affair Stanley had with some woman of color. It seems so odd to me that Stanley Ann was so willing to leave the baby (and her alleged husband) in Hawaii 3 weeks after he was born to head back up to Washington to school. It would explain why there’s no record of Stanley Ann when she would have been “showing.” It also explains the lack of a marriage record, because they were never really married—it was only a cover story—maybe they paid BHO Sr to go along. It would explain the ‘fake’ Hawaii address for the newspaper announcement because that could have been faked by Grandma Toot. It would explain why Obama Sr. never had any interest in BHO—because he wasn’t really his. That would explain the physical similarities to Stanley. It would explain why Obama doesn’t want to release the original birth records because it would show adoption records, name changes, etc. Perhaps this whole thing was concocted to cover up an affair Stanley Dunham had where he impregnated some young black girl. It would explain Obama’s secrecy, outside of a “born in Africa” scenario.

[Polarik]

To determine whether they were or were not married for any specific purpose, you would have to look at the law on that particular purpose and at local marriage law

What's at issue is whether or not Obama's British citizenship was passed to him by his father. This ONLY applies if his father was legally married at the time of his birth. If not, then that creates problems for the British citizenship issue.

[David]

What's at issue is whether or not Obama's British citizenship was passed to him by his father. This ONLY applies if his father was legally married at the time of his birth. If not, then that creates problems for the British citizenship issue.

Correct me if I am mistaken but I believe that view is based on your thinking that he was born in Hawaii; that he would then flunk the "natural born" test because he was subject to another sovereign as a result of his father's citizenship in the British Empire.

See I see the volume of evidence, as being in favor of the proposition that he was born in Coast Hospital outside Mombasa in Kenya. Thus I believe he is ineligible because I don't think you can be a Natural Born citizen if you were born in another country, even if, under US Citizenship law, you became a US Citizen as you came down the shute, for the reason that you were a subject of the sovereign of the geographical location where you were born.

There is a marriage issue under the US Citizenship statutes which the Obama's intended to rely on at one point--if the parents weren't married, there is a questionable statute which might tend to give him US Citizenship under his mother. My comments on marriage were to address that issue--I think no doubt that for purposes of the citizenship statute, the marriage, even if only a common law marriage, would constitutue "wedlock".

I also think, and I believe the Obama's agree, that the particular citizenship statute is probably unconstitutional because it turns the child's citizenship rights on the gender of the parent that was the US Citizen--different rights for the child of a U S Citizen mother than a US Citizen father.

I don't know what English Common Law is on the issue of marriages that didn't qualify as statutory civil marriages but it wouldn't surprise me if the law was the same as it is in the US. It further wouldn't surprise me if it turned out that they were in fact married in Kenya--the people who went to Kenya and ostensibly turned up his actual birth recording in Mombasa district never did any investigation on the question of the marriage because they really hadn't thought the issue of location through.

But, I also think we do not agree on the probability as to where he was in fact born.

[El Gato]

I also think, and I believe the Obama's agree, that the particular citizenship statute is probably unconstitutional because it turns the child's citizenship rights on the gender of the parent that was the US Citizen--different rights for the child of a U S Citizen mother than a US Citizen father.

The law makes no such distinction.

TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
...
a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:

At the time BHO was born the law read "periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen. years:"

Of course proof of parentage is different for a father and a mother. You know for sure and for certain which mother the baby came out of, assuming the event is witnessed and documented. For fatherhood, in general the father must acknowelde the relationship.

[El Gato]

Perhaps this whole thing was concocted to cover up an affair Stanley Dunham had where he impregnated some young black girl.

Possible, but it seems unlikely that Madelyn (Toot) would have gone along with such a scheme, AND later claimed her husband's bastard as her grand baby. it also seems unlikely that Stanley Ann would have gone along, unless she went along with a scenario where she would have been thought to have "given up" the baby for adoption.

Much more likely are the scenarios were she has the baby in Hawaii, in Kenya, or even Canada. With the Canadian scenario being one in which she was to have given the baby up for adoption, in return for being allowed to attend U. Washington, where many of her high school friends went. But then, reneged after her little bundle arrived in some "home" or the hospital that worked with one.

[Fred Nerks]

...E.A.A.C. stand for European Aviation Air Charter. meaning that a flight out of Kenya was either a non scheduled charter on a DC6 prop job or on a irregular schedule based upon tickets sold.

Sorry, I don't understand what you are getting at. The information on the airlift came from the following source:

JOURNAL OF AMERICAN HISTORY. LINK.

On both sides of the Atlantic Ocean, black leaders recognized the need for aid to African education. With the encouragement of American civil rights leaders such as A. Philip Randolph, the Kenyan Tom Mboya organized the African-American Students Foundation (aasf), which awarded Kenyan students scholarships for study in the United States. This photograph shows the Kenyan students arriving at Idlewild Airport in New York in September 1959 as participants in the first “African Airlift.” Courtesy Library of Congress, Manuscript Division, Jackie Robinson Papers.

The image and caption relate to the very first airlift of students whose flight was paid for by a Kennedy foundation grant. So, yes, that flight would have been chartered.

If you scroll down to the bottom, you will find footnote 25 that clearly states Obama Snr was NOT on that flight. Although Obama Snr received financial assistance by way of a scholarship, he was already in Hawaii when that first flight landed at Idlewild.

Are you somehow confusing KENYA with GHANA? The link I posted for Ghana Air Line Route Maps, although from 2003 clearly shows Ghana-US geography and relates to expat traffic between Ghana and the US - Kenya is on the opposite side of the African continent.

GHANA AIRLINES MAP

MY HISTORY WITH PICTURES COMMENT.CLICK/LINK#27 AND #37.

My contention is if Stanley Ann was NOT on the US mainland or in Hawaii - she may have been in Kenya BUT IT'S FAR MORE LIKELY SHE WAS IN GHANA.

[Fred Nerks]

I used that scrib link only to obtain the information regarding the extension courses, the dates and the amount of credits she earned. It took a considerble effort to find it, the information was repeatedly posted on the long thread, but the link provided didn’t lead to the source.

How did the author come by that information. I do not know. It’s as credible as anything else found on the web I suppose.

[BP2]

NOt much more will be heard for at least 60-days which he gave the Obama camp to respond.

A lot more scrubbing can take place in the next 60 days!

There is an obvious and active campaign to scrub Obama birth information off the Internet -- REAL TIME, RIGHT NOW.

Please archive these changes, and any others -- then re-post -- these references may be vitally important in the near future as legal filings regarding Obama's eligibility continue, with Judge Carter, or with other pending cases.

Here are six examples of deletion or modification that have taken place since approximately July 1, 2009 (please post if you know of more):

1) the entire “Fight the Smears” website has been removed from the internet, and the archive of the website has been removed at the request of the owners from Archive.org:

Current website: http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate (removed OFF the internet)
Archive.org cache: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate (removed per owner request -- verified by Archive.org staff)
Archive (from Google Cache): http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:e8a9IzE5fSsJ:fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate+fight+the+smears&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

2) the Department of Hawaiian Homelands has removed from their website the “Loaa Ka Aina Hoopulapula - Applying for Hawaiian Home Lands” pamphlet AND changed their website to reflect that they NOW accept the Certification of Live Birth (the ONLY document Mr. Obama has come forward with to show his birthplace). See more on that story here: Hawaii upgrades ‘certification of live birth’ (requirement):

Current website: http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl (changed)
Archive.org: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl (removed per owner request)
The “Loaa Ka Aina Hoopulapula” pamphlet: http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/Loaa%20Ka%20Aina%20Hoopulapula.pdf (removed)
The “Loaa Ka Aina Hoopulapula” pamphlet “View as HTML” archive (Google): http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:Veru1NU4Zf0J:hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/Loaa%2520Ka%2520Aina%2520Hoopulapula.pdf+Loaa+Ka+Aina+Hoopulapula&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

3) the Kapi’olani Medical Center website has removed the letter where Mr. Obama clearly says he was born at the Kapi’olani Medical Center:

Current website: http://www.kapiolanigift.org/centennial.aspx?id=1728 (Obama letter removed)
on Archive.org: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kapiolanigift.org/centennial.aspx?id=1728 (removed per owner request)
Archived screenshot: http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr131/stevesharp2918/Fromarchivedwebsite-ObamaKapiolaniL.jpg

4) the Nov. 5, 2008, Kenya Parliament Official Report, when Kenyan legislators and Assembly witnesses say things such as "having a Kenyan ruling the USA", "President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil  of this country", and "we have a leader of  a great country in this world whose blood is  Kenyan" has been removed:

Current website: http://www.bunge.go.ke/downloads/Tenth%20Parl%201st%20Session/Hansard/5.11.08A.pdf (removed)
Archive.org: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.bunge.go.ke/downloads/Tenth%20Parl%201st%20Session/Hansard/5.11.08A.pdf (removed per owner request)
Archived on Scribed: http://www.scribd.com/doc/9606845/Kenyan-National-Assembly-Wednesday-5th-November-2008-51108A

5) the July 9, 2009 Modern Ghana story, that says, "For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth" -- has been changed. The last part of the sentence NOW reads, "presidential visit to the continent of his father's birth."

Current website: http://www.modernghana.com/news/226379/1/history-beckons-as-prez-obama-arrives-tomorrow.html (changed -- and "the continent of his father's birth" is in BLUE), changed on July 16, 2009.
Archived screenshot: http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:eL4lIWE2TxAJ:www.modernghana.com/print/226379/1/history-beckons-as-prez-obama-arrives-tomorrow.html+history-beckons-as-prez-obama-arrives-tomorrow&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

6) the famed Nov. 4, 2008, API story that says, "Obama described his birth at Queen's Medical Center" was changed to reflect that the hospital of birth is Kapi’olani Medical Center.

Current website: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/11/04/Sen-Barack-Obama-Democrat-of-Illinois/UPI-33901225647000 (changed). Note at bottom: "This item was corrected July 8, 2009, to fix the name of the hospital where Obama was born. The original item incorrectly identified the facility as Queen's Hospital, an error made by the writer.")
Archived screenshot: http://aconservativeedge.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/sen-barack-obama-democrat-of-illinois-upi-com-cache-queens.jpg?w=1024&h=3574

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

Bump Dat!!!...

[getontwitterfacebknow]

This woman claims to be have given birth around the same time as Barry’s Mom. But she never saw his Mom. And this story came out right after Barry visited Hawaii this past December.

December 22, 2008

Twin sisters, Obama on parallel paths for years
Born in same hospital within hours of each other, educated together

Retracing the steps of history, Eleanor Nordyke now realizes that she was in labor with twin daughters while Barack Obama, now the president-elect, was being born at what is now Kapi-’olani Medical Center for Women & Children.

The twins, Susan “Nunu” Bell and Gretchen “Nini” Worthington, were not only born in the same hospital hours after the future president, but also ended up in the same classes with Obama at Noelani Elementary School and later at Punahou School from the seventh grade to graduation in 1979.

“I think it was remarkable that they just so happened to be born within 24 hours of each other and grew up knowing each other,” Nordyke said.

She did not know Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, while they were in labor together on Aug. 4, 1961, at the old Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.

But Nordyke was a population research fellow at the East-West Center while Dunham was there. And Nordyke later met Madelyn Dunham — Ann Dunham’s mother and Obama’s grandmother — during a cruise to Tahiti in 2002.

“She was placed at our table on the ship,” Nordyke said. “She sat with us on that ship for three weeks. She told us that her daughter had passed away and that she had raised her grandson, and he was a social worker in Chicago.”

When Obama was making his successful presidential run, Nordyke realized that her daughters were born within hours of him at the same hospital.

The Hawai’i certificate of live birth that Obama displays on his Web site shows he was born at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4.

Nordyke was well into labor by then with girls who were three weeks premature. By 2 p.m. the following day, Susan was born at 5 pounds, 12 ounces, and Gretchen weighed in at 6 pounds, 4 ounces.

As toddlers, the girls called each other “Nunu” and “Nini” “and the other children picked it up, and we held onto it all this time,” Nordyke said.

With the names Nordyke and Obama, the twins were often pictured near Obama in their class yearbooks, their mother said.

The daughters now live on the Mainland, and neither returned repeated telephone messages seeking comment.

But one or both may return to Honolulu in June when their class celebrates its 30th reunion, Nordyke said.

http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-141411-0-days0-orderasc-.html&sid=6c206ca8b9d43f8b2ba0b8cd3bd68360

[BP2]

I used that scrib link only to obtain the information regarding the extension courses, the dates and the amount of credits she earned. It took a considerble effort to find it, the information was repeatedly posted on the long thread, but the link provided didn’t lead to the source.

How did the author come by that information. I do not know. It’s as credible as anything else found on the web I suppose.

The author, Michael Patrick Leahy, owned and maintained the “Christian Faith and Reason” website. Here's a Archive.org cache: http://web.archive.org/web/20070701174925/http://www.christianfaithandreason.com/

As I understand it, the Scribd file you referenced, The Myth of Barack Obama's Early Life - Leahy -- Cached, was compiled in late-2008 from a Yahoo archive of an early version of his book that he placed on his website for the public for a short while, then later removed. The archive is gone, too. This is the ONLY copy of this information that I know of.

I know Leahy spoke with numerous people to compile this, such as Susan Blake and others, who knew Ann Dunham when she was in Seattle in 1961-2. I believe him to be an accurate source of information.

BUT, for some reason, Leahy opted NOT to publish his book after Obama was elected. I believe he was pressured to do so.

Having compiled more collective knowledge of Obama and his past since he's been elected, documents such as THIS (Leahy's draft) warrant a NEW review from obsessed researchers -- to see if these old, forgotten materials lead the search for truth into new directions ...

[Fred Nerks]

Having compiled more collective knowledge of Obama and his past since he's been elected, documents such as THIS (Leahy's draft) warrant a NEW review from obsessed researchers -- to see if these old, forgotten materials lead the search for truth into new directions ...

many thanks for that, guess I'm an obsessed researcher I just couldn't let it rest until I found the source of that information again. The fact that Stanley Ann took EXTENSION COURSES...because what keeps running through my head is:

WHERE WAS STANLEY ANN IN THE PERIOD BETWEEN WHEN SHE GRADUATED IN THE SUMMER OF 1960 AND WHEN SHE SHOWED UP WITH A TWO OR THREE YEAR OLD IN HAWAII?

Extention courses, that can be posted to the student and returned by post, means that she could have been ANYWHERE.

[Vendome]

Why does this feel like Tron?

[Plummz]

Nope the ERA FAILED. There is no constitutional provision for "gender equality" in citizenship law... the particular citizenship statute is probably unconstitutional because it turns the child's citizenship rights on the gender of the parent that was the US Citizen--different rights for the child of a U S Citizen mother than a US Citizen father.

[FARS]

Your comments have been featured on AntiMullah with thanks

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/07/obamaists-scrubbing-internet-clean-of.html