Posted on 07/23/2009 2:37:34 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
A natural born citizen must be the child of 2 US Citizens.. Fauxbama does not meet that criteria, period. Never did. Dumbing down of the population by educational malpractice for 40 years is the only reason anyone can argue this guy is legally eligible to be president.
No. All he did was, by inaction, allow his Kenyan citizenship to lapse when he turned 21.
Here’s something else to chew on;
Proclamation 3525 - Declaring Sir Winston Churchill an Honorary Citizen of the United States of America
April 9, 1963
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=24064
His mother was also an American.
Unless one of their parents is of foreign sovereignty- Kenya, then they would not be a natural born citizen. Even then, he likely was born in Kenya and also lost nbc when he moved to Indonesia- period.
You wrote-
“All persons born...in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
Period.”
“founding”
Per Article 2, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, one must be a natural born American citizen to serve as President. Barack Obama is NOT eligible for the Presidency because he is not a natural born citizen. John A. Bingham, primary framer, 14th Amendment, states- “Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” Obama himself has stated that he is the son of a Kenyan- Kenya being a foreign sovereignty. Thus, Obama is not a natural born citizen even if he were actually born in Hawaii.
Do you know who Barack Obama is? Is he NOT a natural born citizen? Check these out-
Original birth certificate - Not released
Obama/Dunham marriage license - Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license - Not released
Soetoro adoption records - Not released
Besuki School application - Released
Punahou School records - Not released
Selective Service Registration - Released and under suspicion
Occidental College records - Not released
Passport (Pakistan) - Not released
Columbia College records - Not released
Columbia thesis - Not released
Harvard College records - Not released
Harvard Law Review articles - None (maybe 1, unsigned?)
Baptism certificate - None
Medical records - Not released
Illinois State Senate records - None
Illinois State Senate schedule - Lost
Law practice client list - Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles - None
Now Hawaii officials are saying that all birth certificates were destroyed in 2001. But on October 31, 2008, this contrary statement-
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
Pro or con? Sir Winston Churchill was not our President. He was a great leader in the U.K.
The point is that if his mother being an American made Churchill one by birth then why make the resolution.
I read that Chester Arthur was born in 1829, and his father was naturalized in August 1843, but the people contesting his natural born status were basing that on the fact that their farm was actually located in Canada, and that he was born on the farm (ie not the US soil).
I do not know about Hawaii, but in 2003, the hopital where my grandaughter was born, gave her mother a form, and she filled it out-they took her word for it. They had boxes to check and one of those was “other”.
Actually there was some murkiness with respect to Panama. Looking at State department records: the clarifications were in 1952 for Guam, 1986 Puerto Rico and US Virgin Islands using the term “citizens at birth”, and the State Department noted that these areas are under US jurisdiction.
The Panama Canal Zone was clarified using the term citizen only. According to the State Department, the canal zone was not under the “jurisdiction” of the US.
The state department also states that current law is that both parents must be citizens and at least one a resident of the US to qualify.
Per Article 2, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, one must be a natural born American citizen to serve as President. Barack Obama is NOT eligible for the Presidency because he is not a natural born citizen. The law that applied during the time of Obama’s birth (in effect from December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986) stated- “If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack Obama’s father was a Kenyan citizen (a British Colony) and his mother just 18 at Obama’s birth...” (thus, she would have had to have been 21 in order for Obama to be eligible). John A. Bingham, primary framer, 14th Amendment, states- “Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” Obama himself has stated that he is the son of a Kenyan- Kenya being a foreign sovereignty. Thus, Obama is not a natural born citizen even if he were actually born in Hawaii.
I specifically replied to your comment about John McCain and the Panama Canal Zone, so I am not sure why you went into all this stuff about Obama, but since you did.
The info you are quoting pertains to a US citizen married to a forgein national.
Obama is an illegitamate child born to an out of wedlock mother who was a US citizen-is he not?
The 1952 law established easier requirements for a US citizen unwed mother, whose child is not born on US soil, than those you cited.
Namely that she need only have been physically present continuously in the US or a possession for 12 months prior to the child’s birth(the words “immediately prior”) are not used.
According to the US State Department, it has “never been determined definitively by court whether a person who aquired US citizenship by birth abroad is a natural born citizen “(for the purpose of presidential qualifications).
Personally, I am all for interpreting the requirement very strictly ie: Both parents are US citizens, and child is born on American soil, territories, or possessions, and subject to the jurisdiction of the USA.
As another Freeper pointed out, Congress only has the power to set up naturalization laws for citizenship. Congress did attempt to define natural born in 1790, but subsequent language in 1795 removed the term “natural born”. The “Insular Cases” also overuled the 1795 act.
The legal opinions I have read stated that this is not an issue for the Federal Courts, it is an issue for the state’s election laws, and the electors. Any role for the US congress is after the election.
Should a case actually be accepted in a State Court, it might then be appealed eventually to the SCOTUS.
Obama’s status re: constitutional requirements even if born in Hawaii, is not well defined IMHO, and even less legitimate if not born in Hawaii, since his father was not a citizen of the US.
see post #114, I was replying to you, but did not noticed I clicked on the wrong ping. Sorry.
The laws at the time of Obama’s birth state that he could not be born to parents of foreign sovereignty and still be considered a natural born American citizen. His father was Kenyan. Obama’s mother had not been in the U.S. 5 years after her 16th birthday (she couldn’t have been since she was only 18 at his birth).
When she became pregnant during the fall semster at the University of Hawaii, can you identify her location in the U.S. preceding Obama’s birth? All I’ve heard is that Obama’s grandmother was present when Obama was born in Kenya...... Then Obama’s mother showed up and enrolled at the University of Washington for the fall of 1961.
No I can not pinpoint his mother’s location immediately prior to his birth, but it is irrelevant.
An unwed citizen mother need only to have lived continuously in the US for 12 months at anytime prior to the birth, the way I read the state dept manual for consular affairs. Doesn’t matter how old either.
I have not had time to check the actual statutes, which will be confusing no doubt, since they have been amended so many times,but according the the state department that requirement with respect to her age being 14 + 5 years
only applies to women who are legitimately married to a foreigner.
I believe he should show the birth certificate-I am from Missouri-so naturally I want to see it.LOL
But I believe he hid the real reason he is not NBC in plain sight-his father was not a citizen of the US. That disqualifies him if you look at what the constitution says, and consider what the meaning was when it was written.
But it is a gray area and has never been definitively determined IMHO.
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