Posted on 07/23/2009 2:37:34 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
Excerpt- As you can see from the intent of the Founding Fathers to the Supreme Court decision that “a natural born” is the child of citizens. A natural born citizen is not the child of an alien. In this there is no doubt. The question now that we seek answered is that Barack Hussein Obama, II is both the child of an alien who never had any intention on becoming a naturalized citizen and the child of a citizen minor. If Barack Hussein Obama, II was in fact born in Hawaii, he is a citizen under Jus soli and afforded all rights any citizen has. But he is not a citizen under Jus sanguinis, because we have laws that dictate how Jus sanguinis citizenship can be transferred. If Barack Hussein Obama, II cannot claim citizenship under Jus sanguinis then he is not a natural born citizen.
Obama is not a natural born citizen which is defined in the 14th Amendment.
PING!
Obama not natural born citizen even if born in Hawaii (natural born citizen described in the 14th Ammendment).
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“As you can see from the intent of the Founding Fathers to the Supreme Court decision that “a natural born” is the child of citizens. A natural born citizen is not the child of an alien. In this there is no doubt. The question now that we seek answered is that Barack Hussein Obama, II is both the child of an alien who never had any intention on becoming a naturalized citizen and the child of a citizen minor. If Barack Hussein Obama, II was in fact born in Hawaii, he is a citizen under Jus soli and afforded all rights any citizen has. But he is not a citizen under Jus sanguinis, because we have laws that dictate how Jus sanguinis citizenship can be transferred. If Barack Hussein Obama, II cannot claim citizenship under Jus sanguinis then he is not a natural born citizen.”
I don’t buy this argument. He is his mother’s son. She is a US citizen.
This is why the birthers give conservatism a bad name....by clear omissions of facts that do not help their cause.
I am taking a different stand on this. Everything Obama is doing is anti American and unConstitutional.
Maybe we need to look at it as this. What Obama is doing is actually treason if he were a natural born citizen, if he is not... well.
Maybe that is what we are missing. Obama is willing to do what he is doing, but he does not want to ever say he was committing treason or be held accountable for it.
If he was never a citizen, is what he is doing treason?
Note that Obama is using attorneys and nearly a million dollars in legal fees to keep his original birth certificate hidden. Speaks for itself. When someone is hiding something, they have something to hide.
This is the kind of crap that gives conservatives a bad name. The term “natural born citizen” is a legal definition. Until the late 19th century, a person was a natural born citizen if born in the U.S., in a U.S. territory to a citizen father, to a citizen father who was not a permanent resident of another country, or to a citizen father who was under the authority of the U.S. (i.e. a diplomat).
In the late 19th century it was changed to a citizen parent.
If Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a natural born citizen. If he was born in Kenya, he is a natural born citizen (his mother was not a permanent resident of Kenya and a citizen).
At this point, I am very curious to see his birth certificate, but there has been no plausible scenario put forward to make me doubt he is a natural born citizen.
She was not old enough at the time of giving birth to convey NB status.
EXCELLENT wrap up. How do we get this to everyone? I’m going to write Hannity to convene a 1 hour panel discussion of this with both sides represented. Don’t hold breath, but maybe with enough effort, this might breakthrough: even the left has some with brains.
The 14th Amendment says "born or naturalized." The two are mutually exclusive. If you're born an citizen, you don't need to be naturalized.
Hence the absurdity of the very idea that someone born in the US is a naturalized citizen.
That restriction(the time spent living in the U.S. after 18 clause) only applied to a naturalized citizen and not to a natural born citizen as his mother was.
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
Does "at the time of the adoption of this Constitution' go right along with 'or a citizen of the United States' and only applied 200+ years ago? That bolded part might be why he mentioned that he was a citizen of the United States last night in his speech....
Careful. It is not a question of citizenship.
It is of being natural born.
I thought it meant that the mother didn’t have a C-section. :)
“Note that Obama is using attorneys and nearly a million dollars in legal fees to keep his original birth certificate hidden.”
Speaking of which, is there any way to cite that claim of millions of dollars? Where did that number come from?
This is the real question: shall we be ruled by a man whose loyalty is divided?
The Framers intended the answer to be "no". Monarchial Europe was full of "Royalty" who were foreigners, put on the thrones of different countries in a bid to subjugate them or to bind them. Men like Madison and Jefferson intended to stop that from ever happening, and the Natural Born Citizen restriction was their method.
Now we have just such a case as they intended to prevent. The issue should be brought up and the Usurper removed.
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