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Snopes.Com Caught in a Lie and Spins it Rather than Admits Error
Snopes.Com ^ | August 2009 | Commentary on Snopes

Posted on 08/04/2009 6:57:59 AM PDT by Vigilanteman

On the morning drive Quinn & Rose radio show, I heard about the famous high school graduation exam from Salina, Kansas which Snopes had debunked as a hoax.

I remember when they did this as I checked their site which categorically stated that such an exam did not exist. Well, it turned out that such an exam does exist and is preserved by a historical society in, of all places (drum roll, please) . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at snopes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Society
KEYWORDS: 1895; exam; kansas; liberalism; mediabias; pravdamedia; revisionisthistory; salina; snopes; snopesbias; stalinisttactics
Salina, Kansas! Imagine that!

So naturally, I log on to see Snopes eat crow.

Only the first thing to catch my eye is a big red

false.

I figure WTF? and scroll up to see that they've changed the question. It is no longer about the existence of the exam, not that it is a documented fact.

Snopes has rewritten the question as to what the exam is supposed to show. In Snopes view, the questions are a bunch of irrelevant, arcane facts not unlike memorizing the names of the key rivers in South America.

Certainly, some of the questions fall in that category, but more require actual broad-based knowledge and problem solving skills. Snopes also likes to dismiss the exam because some of those citing its existence stated that it was a high school entrance exam rather than a graduation exam.

Well, knock me over with a feather!

1 posted on 08/04/2009 6:58:00 AM PDT by Vigilanteman
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To: Vigilanteman

Several occasions I have searched Snopes for political stuff. I have found them to be incorrect several times, they have a liberal bias.


2 posted on 08/04/2009 7:01:13 AM PDT by exbrit
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To: Vigilanteman

The exam is not for high school students, 8th grade students, etc.

It is an exam for graduating from a teacher’s school.

Of course, teachers today couldn’t pass that test, so it is still very telling.


3 posted on 08/04/2009 7:02:22 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Vigilanteman

Has anybody found a Google cache or Wayback Machine copy of Snopes from before changing the question?


4 posted on 08/04/2009 7:02:42 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Laura Ingalls Wilder passed the teaching exam at 14.


5 posted on 08/04/2009 7:04:40 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: exbrit

I realized Snopes was biased during the Swift Boat stuff.

While much was subject to debate, there were some objective truths that Snopes just took the DNC line on.


6 posted on 08/04/2009 7:07:43 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Check out the massive research department at Snopes:

http://www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=128&num=215957


8 posted on 08/04/2009 7:09:08 AM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: Vigilanteman

You might want to try http://truthorfiction.com - I don’t know how they compare, except that I’ve heard that “Truth Or Fiction” is more conservative.


9 posted on 08/04/2009 7:10:54 AM PDT by Perseverando
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To: Vigilanteman
Rush verified that the exam does exist years ago.

And there's this piece about Hillary Clinton helping free two Black Panthers accused of torturing and murdering Alex Rackley. Snopes call it false. I contacted David Horowitz on his website just after this “debunking” and he still stands behind this story as true.

10 posted on 08/04/2009 7:13:56 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: Vigilanteman

There is a very similar EIGHTH GRADE test, from North Dakota, in the back of a coffee-table book on North Dakota schoolhouses. I stood in Barnes and Noble in Fargo once, reading it. I couldn’t answer any of the questions, and I have three (worthless, I guess) degrees.


11 posted on 08/04/2009 7:20:05 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Vigilanteman

How did Snopes spin changing the name of the hospital that Barack Obama claims to have been born at?


12 posted on 08/04/2009 7:27:06 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Snopes is biased Left and held out hope for YEARS that Hillary wasn’t lying about being named after Sir Edmund Hillary. Their last dodge was that maybe her mother lied to her and she innocently repeated the claim.

Eventually a staffer spilled the beans.

They also carefully cast the synopsis statement (or included extraneous bogus details) to spin a “rumor” or email as false that really is true.

People think they are credible because they stole much of the descriptions on garden variety urban rumors from Jan Brunvand’s books on the subject. They are crapweasels.


13 posted on 08/04/2009 7:29:20 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Perseverando
You might want to try http://truthorfiction.com - I don’t know how they compare, except that I’ve heard that “Truth Or Fiction” is more conservative.

They use FactCheck.org as a source.

14 posted on 08/04/2009 7:30:05 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: All

But Snopes is on the internets, so it must be true....s>


15 posted on 08/04/2009 7:31:17 AM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: Vigilanteman

This would not be the first time that Snopes conveniently ignores facts and spouts a liberal line. They join a long line of purveyors of slant.

Here is the link to the very real transcribed version of the exam:

Smoky Valley Genealogical Society
EXAMINATION GRADUATION QUESTIONS OF SALINE COUNTY, KANSAS
April 13, 1895 J.W. Armstrong, County Superintendent.

“The following document was transcribed from the original document in the collection of the Smoky Valley Genealogy Society, Salina, Kansas. This test is the original eighth-grade final exam for 1895 from Salina, KS. An interesting note is the fact that the county students taking this test were allowed to take the test in the 7th grade, and if they did not pass the test at that time, they were allowed to re-take it again in the 8th grade.”

As taken from the
http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/saline/society/exam.html


16 posted on 08/04/2009 7:31:51 AM PDT by Sparko (I'll never be your pizza burnin')
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To: exbrit

The husband and wife team that run Snopes have been outed as Democrats long ago during the Clinton Admin.

IMHO, you have to take anything the post with a grain of salt because they will spin it to benefit the DNC or Democrats in general.


17 posted on 08/04/2009 8:05:24 AM PDT by WaterBoard (Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money to spend.)
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To: Vigilanteman

The only thing stopping me from finishing the math part in about 5 minutes was the fact that nobody I know knows what a rod is, how to get the size of an acre, what a bushel of wheat is, how to write a promissory note. In addition that language style is not really used anymore.


18 posted on 08/04/2009 8:31:35 AM PDT by ronnietherocket2
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
8th grade students

In 1895, and for many years after, graduating from eighth grade represented the extent of many students’ public school education.

The point was that students with an 8th grade education were prepared to function in society. They could communicate, correspond, calculate, and knew how to handle any income they generated.

19 posted on 08/04/2009 8:59:55 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: ronnietherocket2
Most country kids can tell you that a rod is 16.5 feet, an acre is 43,560 square feet, a bushel is four pecks and a promissory note is an IOU not all that different from writing a check.

All of these are useful measures in the country. A rod is the lengthy of on lane of traffic, so country roads are exactly 33 feet wide.

The acre can be calculated by squaring the number of feet in a mile (5280') and dividing by the number of acres in a section (640).

A bushel is about the size of a normal sized laundry basket and so-sized because it can be safely carried when filled by an average harvester. The weight, of course, will vary by content, even if it is the same product. But wheat is typically about 60 pounds to the bushel. The peck (1/4 of a bushel) was a convenience for farmer's markets (and still is) for customers who couldn't use a full bushel.

Our modern checks actually have their origin in the promissory notes which were sold in a small pad in stationery stores or even country banks back in the days when one's good name was their credit. Some areas had such a shortage of cash that promissory notes were actually passed around as a medium of exchange in some locales. The larger general stores in the town accepted them before checkwriting came common and knew the drawer would always be in to redeem them in the fall the day their harvest was sold to the grain elevator.

Some stores actually went further and gave the customer a "Storebook" which looked more or less like a bank passbook. The customers brought in the storebook to be updated with each transaction.

In my hometown, it was still common in the 1970's for small merchants who got non-sufficient funds (NSF) checks returned to tape them up in the shop window or customer service counter. The writers of those checks were very quick to come in and pay cash for the check just to get it out of the window before word got around town.

20 posted on 08/04/2009 9:02:04 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Vigilanteman

News media, Snopes and wikipedia - just continuing to prove that credibility is a fragile and immensely valuable thing, and once you lose it, its gone forever.

Kinda like virginity, I guess.


21 posted on 08/04/2009 9:02:59 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: eartrumpet
Excellent link!

So a husband-wife political hack team, David and Barbara Mikkelson, from Los Angeles is all there is behind the curtain at the Snopes.Com machine!

22 posted on 08/04/2009 9:04:54 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Perseverando
Just an examination of truthorfiction.com's account of this exam, indicates they at least make an attempt at balance rather than being just another propaganda arm of the DNC.

I wouldn't necessarily call them conservative any more than I would apply the label to the Leprechaun (Bill O'Reilly).

23 posted on 08/04/2009 9:10:37 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: ronnietherocket2
The only thing stopping me from finishing the math part in about 5 minutes

The only thing that stopped you from finishing was a lack of ambition.

The test is about what the teacher taught the student. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance around which is 640 rods?

First, it tells you the farm is square. It also tells you the distance around the square farm is 640 rods, which means the farm has four 160 rod long sides. Therefore, a rod must be a measure of distance. Today, as then, an acre is a measure of land equaling 160 square rods, 10 square chains, 4,840 square yards, 43,560 square feet, or 0.405 hectares. Today, as then, a rod is a linear measure equal to 5.5 yards or 16.5 feet (5.03 meters). Also called pole.

Would it be easier for you if the question were more modern? What is the cost of a square farm at $15 $4,500.00 per acre, the distance around which is 640 rods 10,650 feet?

The most striking concept of this test is that in order for it to be graded the teacher would actually have to read the students’ answers. The teacher would be able to discern a student's thought process in his answer. What a novel idea.

24 posted on 08/04/2009 10:06:47 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: MosesKnows

My comment was that I could do the math part if I understood what the units used meant. That is something that I could look up on Wikipedia.


25 posted on 08/04/2009 12:07:10 PM PDT by ronnietherocket2
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To: ronnietherocket2
That is something that I could look up on Wikipedia

My point exactly.

26 posted on 08/04/2009 2:08:06 PM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: rjsimmon
you are saying truthorfiction is using factcheck as a source?

I did a couple of simple tests like how many states are there in the US when Obama said 57 states. Snopes actually has it distorted and factcheck doesn't even have it listed and truthorfiction has it right.

27 posted on 09/10/2009 5:03:39 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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