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Posted on 08/18/2009 11:12:37 AM PDT by NonZeroSum

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1 posted on 08/18/2009 11:12:37 AM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: NonZeroSum

I believe JimRob has proprietarily coded software running FR. I say type out the HTML tags. At least it’s basic HTML.

I do agree that using something like quote or em would be nice, but I don’t like to mess with the big man’s toys.


2 posted on 08/18/2009 11:14:06 AM PDT by rarestia ("One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Lenin / MOLWN LABE!)
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To: rarestia
I do agree that using something like quote or em would be nice, but I don’t like to mess with the big man’s toys.

You seem to be missing my point. I already do type out HTML tags, and have no problem with it. I'm just saying that we shouldn't have to add <p>...</p> to every paragraph.

3 posted on 08/18/2009 11:18:35 AM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: NonZeroSum

As long as mods and Jim are looking at this issue, I might comment that “spell check” is acting weird, often saying that EVERY WORD I type is wrong.
I am not the best speller, but -—


4 posted on 08/18/2009 11:22:06 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: NonZeroSum

It’s an all or nothing system. If you have no other tags, it’ll take whitespace literally. If you use tags, then all of the other associated tags must be used (p, etc).


5 posted on 08/18/2009 11:22:12 AM PDT by rarestia ("One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Lenin / MOLWN LABE!)
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To: NonZeroSum

You don’t.

I never do.


6 posted on 08/18/2009 11:23:26 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: NonZeroSum
I've tried using <pre> & </pre>, they work but completely blow the line length so you wind up with paragraphs running out the right margin half way to New York!

Embarrassing to say the least.

Regards,
GtG

7 posted on 08/18/2009 11:24:03 AM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: NonZeroSum

I’d like to second this.

Or third, or whatever it’s up to.


8 posted on 08/18/2009 11:24:26 AM PDT by El Sordo
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To: NonZeroSum
Maybe I'm not getting it, but what's so hard about typing <b> </b> around text for emphasis, and typing <p> at the beginning of each new paragraph?
9 posted on 08/18/2009 11:25:07 AM PDT by delacoert (Good health to your belly button.)
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To: NonZeroSum
I'm so used to it, I do it without realizing that I'm doing it.

It's just a handful of tags to learn (3 actually), and you can learn and use more if you want to.

I've been to other blogs and forums that use a different system. Might be simpler for some easy things (though not always the case), but then there are other tags that they won't recognize at all. It's a trade-off.

10 posted on 08/18/2009 11:25:12 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Obi-Wan Palin: Strike her down and she shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.)
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To: NonZeroSum

I’m pretty sure we should Ignore This Post...


11 posted on 08/18/2009 11:25:24 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If you have a Right / To a Service I provide / I must be a Slave)
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To: NonZeroSum

You do realize that the /p tag is optional, right? Not necessary at all.


12 posted on 08/18/2009 11:26:02 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Obi-Wan Palin: Strike her down and she shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.)
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To: NonZeroSum
Probably would require some coding, as this site seems to be custom made. The only feature I miss is an edit feature.

And, conversely, the ping feature that is unique to this site is one of the best ideas I've seen on a forum. It's the one feature that's lacking in phpbb.
13 posted on 08/18/2009 11:26:41 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: NonZeroSum
Before you start coding, introduce a spelling error to your comment and run it through the spell checker. It will add all the <p>s and <br>s you need.
14 posted on 08/18/2009 11:28:12 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: rarestia
It’s an all or nothing system. If you have no other tags, it’ll take whitespace literally. If you use tags, then all of the other associated tags must be used (p, etc).

Thank you. I know that. The purpose of this post is to complain about it.

There's no reason that it has to be that way. It could be coded to automagically include the paragraph tags even if someone wants to use other tags. There's no good reason this should have to be done manually, since it obviously has the capability to add the breaks automatically, if there is no HTML in the comment.

15 posted on 08/18/2009 11:30:41 AM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: delacoert
Maybe I'm not getting it, but what's so hard about typing around text for emphasis, and typing <p> at the beginning of each new paragraph?

Sigh...

There's nothing "hard" about it. It's just a pointless pain in the keester, for no good reason, to have to put in paragraph tags on all my grafs if I want to add any HTML at all, and it introduces an opportunity to introduce more errors.

Why make us do it? That's what computers are for.

16 posted on 08/18/2009 11:34:39 AM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: NonZeroSum

It’s an all or nothing system. If you have no other tags, it’ll take whitespace literally. If you use tags, then all of the other associated tags must be used (p, etc).

Thank you. I know that. The purpose of this post is to complain about it.

Copying The Man who may be able to answer your inquiry and change request.

I’m a hack, using your earlier mentioned option may be the best way, tho the spellchecker option soound good too.

I do it the old fashioned way, HTML that is. insert this and insert that.. It’s a pain especially if you post huge pieces that require lots of marking up and such. not sure how else to get around that for now.


17 posted on 08/18/2009 11:36:26 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: mysterio
Probably would require some coding...

Of course it would require some coding. That's what I'm requesting. But it shouldn't require much. It clearly already has the capability for comments that don't have HTML. All that should be necessary is to change a conditional so that it doesn't stop doing it just because it encounters an HTML tag.

18 posted on 08/18/2009 11:36:45 AM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: NonZeroSum
The purpose of this post is to complain about it.

There's your sign riiight there....

19 posted on 08/18/2009 11:37:37 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: John Robinson

It’s an all or nothing system. If you have no other tags, it’ll take whitespace literally. If you use tags, then all of the other associated tags must be used (p, etc).

Thank you. I know that. The purpose of this post is to complain about it.

John, insert p auto feature?

Copying The Man who may be able to answer your inquiry and change request.

I’m a hack, using your earlier mentioned option may be the best way, tho the spellchecker option soound good too.

I do it the old fashioned way, HTML that is. insert this and insert that.. It’s a pain especially if you post huge pieces that require lots of marking up and such. not sure how else to get around that for now.


20 posted on 08/18/2009 11:37:39 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: Petronski
Before you start coding, introduce a spelling error to your comment and run it through the spell checker. It will add all the [p]s and [br]s you need.

Hey - slick! Thanks!

21 posted on 08/18/2009 11:38:11 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Yep. Only time it’s “required” is on HTML generators that don’t realize it’s optional...like MS Front Page. Course Front Page also throws a whole bunch of other non-required code in as well.


22 posted on 08/18/2009 11:39:06 AM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system. I am Jim Thompson.)
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To: Tanniker Smith
You do realize that the /p tag is optional, right? Not necessary at all.

It depends on the browser. Better safe than sorry.

23 posted on 08/18/2009 11:39:43 AM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: NonZeroSum; rarestia
You seem to be missing my point. I already do type out HTML tags, and have no problem with it. I'm just saying that we shouldn't have to add p.../p to every paragraph.

To start with the P tag doesn't need the ending tag, /P. You only need the beginning tag not the ending one. Next Para just put another P(in brackets of course).

Secondly, I am sure if you wanted to donate the money and the time to recode Jim Robs Web page he would be happy to oblige, as long as you could do a good job. This forum costs you nothing, you are not required to donate money and you can use it for free as much as you want.

A person who complains about the software on a free forum as if somehow they are paying a fee for it is pretty low in my opinion, of course that's just me. Liberals and other free loading types probably feel differently about it since they think they are entitled.

BTW, do you donate?

24 posted on 08/18/2009 11:41:48 AM PDT by calex59
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To: NonZeroSum

If we’re going to change the code, let’s ask for the Holy Grail-the ability to edit your post after it’s posted.


25 posted on 08/18/2009 11:43:54 AM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: calex59
A person who complains about the software on a free forum as if somehow they are paying a fee for it is pretty low in my opinion, of course that's just me.

Let me rephrase. I am not complaining. I am offering a suggestion to make the forum better for many of us. I have no expectation, only a hope, that it will be acted on. If someone wants to show me the code, I could probably point out exactly where to make the change. But if people don't make such suggestions, how would things ever improve?

26 posted on 08/18/2009 11:48:15 AM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: Brett66
If we’re going to change the code, let’s ask for the Holy Grail-the ability to edit your post after it’s posted.

No kidding. That one shouldn't be that hard, either, though it would be a more complex problem.

27 posted on 08/18/2009 11:49:55 AM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: NonZeroSum
If we’re going to change the code, let’s ask for the Holy Grail-the ability to edit your post after it’s posted.

Actually, on second thought, I can see why they wouldn't want to do that. It could lead to all sorts of mischief, like denying that you'd written something slanderous that you had, and then putting it down the memory hole.

28 posted on 08/18/2009 11:55:27 AM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: calex59

I’m not complaining. Matter of fact, I said in my initial post that I didn’t want to mess with the Big Man’s toys.


29 posted on 08/18/2009 12:06:59 PM PDT by rarestia ("One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Lenin / MOLWN LABE!)
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To: NonZeroSum
Actually, on second thought, I can see why they wouldn't want to do that. It could lead to all sorts of mischief, like denying that you'd written something slanderous that you had, and then putting it down the memory hole.

That's why every existing edit feature makes a notation that the post was edited. I don't see why an edit feature would be any different in this format.
30 posted on 08/18/2009 12:09:27 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio
That's why every existing edit feature makes a notation that the post was edited. I don't see why an edit feature would be any different in this format.

It would only if it were coded to do that (with a capability of retaining the original version). It could be done, but it would be a much more complex problem. As others have noted, this is custom code.

31 posted on 08/18/2009 12:16:56 PM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: NonZeroSum

Find a good & free HTML and text editor. Keep it open at the same time and filled with your favorite HTML snippets and images.


32 posted on 08/18/2009 12:26:12 PM PDT by Sparko ("My name is Barack Obama. I love to hear myself speak. Tune in and drop all independent thought.")
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To: Brett66

I’ve wanted to edit most of my posts after the fact. LOL!


33 posted on 08/18/2009 12:29:15 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport, and school records.)
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To: NonZeroSum

NO!!!! I didn’t vote for change in the last election, & I’m not about to start now! ;)


34 posted on 08/18/2009 12:32:22 PM PDT by Darth Dan
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To: NonZeroSum

The “new” search should be fixed/changed back before anything else


35 posted on 08/18/2009 12:33:43 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: NonZeroSum

Gee Non.....

What do you want?

You want to drag Free Republic kicking and screaming into the 21st century?

Give it a few years. Maybe one of these days.....


36 posted on 08/18/2009 12:53:54 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: qam1

I’ll second that!

The search function just plain sucks.


37 posted on 08/18/2009 12:54:48 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: Sparko
Find a good & free HTML and text editor. Keep it open at the same time and filled with your favorite HTML snippets and images.

Sigh...

Please, go reread what I wrote. I have no problem with HTML. I have written HTML for a living.

I would just like to not have to put in paragraph tags, when the computer can do it much easier, faster, and typo free, than I can.

38 posted on 08/18/2009 1:15:06 PM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: Kansas58

Maybe you’ve got it checking for coherence instead of spelling.

(hehe, just kidding.)


39 posted on 08/18/2009 1:19:32 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

If I need to find anything on FR, I do a Google site search. I’ve never been able to find anything with the FR search.


40 posted on 08/18/2009 1:22:04 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Richard Kimball

That time - years ago - when John R. fiddled about with ‘Search’ and gave us the drop-down box with keywords, title, yahoo search and so on; I suggested he make an easy fix and have the function default to titles inseard of keywords.

He said “OK - No problem”.

As you see - it must have been a “problem”.

I quit making suggestions and ideas. Since what they do makes things worse....

Better to keep quiet.


41 posted on 08/18/2009 1:31:12 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: NonZeroSum

I don’t know diddly about HTML. Never use it.

But I know how to format for paragraphs by using the ENTER key, and how to post links by cutting and pasting. In other words, I just type in this nice little box and hit “Post” when I’m done.

FReepers with superior knowledge may have better posts than mine, but the current software works just fine for us novices, too.


42 posted on 08/18/2009 1:35:19 PM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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To: NonZeroSum
"Sigh...

Please, go reread what I wrote. I have no problem with HTML. I have written HTML for a living."

Since I had not seen John R rewriting any FR code since you posted the original suggested change I made a rather simple suggestion.

Sigh....

43 posted on 08/18/2009 1:40:26 PM PDT by Sparko ("My name is Barack Obama. I love to hear myself speak. Tune in and drop all independent thought.")
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To: Jedidah
I don’t know diddly about HTML. Never use it.

Yes, that's why it's not a problem for you. It's a problem for those of us who do.

44 posted on 08/18/2009 1:41:29 PM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: Sparko
Since I had not seen John R rewriting any FR code since you posted the original suggested change I made a rather simple suggestion.

A suggestion so simple that it doesn't in any way address my problem, and indicates that you don't even understand what the problem is.

45 posted on 08/18/2009 1:53:10 PM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: NonZeroSum
You started the thread, so I addressed you:

"Find a good & free HTML and text editor. Keep it open at the same time and filled with your favorite HTML snippets and images."

It was not intended to address the problem of HTML experts like yourself in any way, shape, or form. Far be it from me to provide advice to you.

It was a general suggestion to others who may want to explore HTML and use it when posting on FR.

46 posted on 08/18/2009 2:03:17 PM PDT by Sparko ("My name is Barack Obama. I love to hear myself speak. Tune in and drop all independent thought.")
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To: Sparko
It was a general suggestion to others who may want to explore HTML and use it when posting on FR.

I'm sorry then, but you should have made that more clear, because since it was addressed to me, I kind of assumed that it was directed at me. It would have been better to address it to someone who claimed not to know HTML and wanted to.

47 posted on 08/18/2009 2:20:33 PM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: NonZeroSum
It shouldn't have to be all or nothing.

No, it shouldn't. That's why, if you use Firefox, you should download the add-on for Xinha Here! and use it -- it's similar to WordPress options, and it's not that difficult to learn. (Press "Post Reply," right click on the reply box, and select "Open Xinha Here!")

And yes, it's annoying when comments are lacking simple HTML codes for quotes.

48 posted on 08/18/2009 2:27:44 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: Brett66
If we’re going to change the code, let’s ask for the Holy Grail-the ability to edit your post after it’s posted.

Negative. Fro two reasons (at least):

1. Some folks have tried to deny that they posted something. The lack of edit keeps them honest.

2. Think of all the great posts that would have been edited (dumby and the like).

49 posted on 08/18/2009 2:35:56 PM PDT by TankerKC (USAF...retired. Well, on Terminal Leave.)
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To: Talisker

I found that trick by accident. Enjoy.


50 posted on 08/18/2009 3:10:11 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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