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A Subtle Theological Point (re: Obama's "We are God's partners in Matters of Life and Death")
Pajamas Media ^ | Aug 21, 2009 | Andrew Klavan

Posted on 08/21/2009 3:52:52 PM PDT by ransomnote

(snip) "Referring to the belief that God decides during the Jewish New Year “who shall live and who shall die,” Obama told the rebs, “We are God’s partners in matters of life and death.”

In response to this statement I would like to make a subtle theological point: No, we’re not." (snip)

(Excerpt) Read more at pajamasmedia.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bhohealthcare; death; klavan; obama; obamaandgod
Klavan addresses Barack Obama's proposition that we partner with God on issues of life and death.
1 posted on 08/21/2009 3:52:52 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote
“We are God’s partners in matters of life and death.”

this is the first I've heard of this remark. It's right up there with "being punished with a baby."

This guy is just plain scary.

2 posted on 08/21/2009 3:54:59 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (this slope is getting slippereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...)
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To: ransomnote

Maybe Obama’s vision is that God creates ‘em and we off ‘em.


3 posted on 08/21/2009 3:55:15 PM PDT by bboop (Tar and feathers -- good back then, good now)
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To: ransomnote

That’s weird—I thought he considered himself God. How can you be your own partner?


4 posted on 08/21/2009 3:56:08 PM PDT by taillightchaser (When a democrat says "The American people" you know the next words out of his mouth will be lies.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
"this is the first I've heard of this remark."

I hadn't heard it either.

"...partners???" Excuse me? A "partner" is an equal. Scary is right.

5 posted on 08/21/2009 4:00:09 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (The MSM is a demonic stronghold, PLEASE pray accordingly. 2 Cor. 10:3-5)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

6 posted on 08/21/2009 4:06:47 PM PDT by shineon
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To: ransomnote
Partners in matters of life and death?! I thought this was above his pay grade?
7 posted on 08/21/2009 4:12:49 PM PDT by BufordP ("I've abandoned free market principles to save the free market ..." --George "Hoover" Bush)
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To: ransomnote

Obama told the rebs, “We are God’s partners in matters of life and death.”

Not with me you’re not.

Obama can’t lead a People that refuse to follow him. I will not, under any circumstances, be forced to follow a two faced lying lib, white hating socialist such this bastard.


8 posted on 08/21/2009 4:15:28 PM PDT by Gator113 (It's about stupidity, stupid. IMPEACH HERE, IMPEACH NOW.)
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To: oprahstheantichrist
there's a lively discussion on the source site about this.

it seems to be a quote or a misquote from a traditional Jewish prayer.

It would be nice to see this remark in context before unleash the full wrath of my deadly keyboard on the subject.

9 posted on 08/21/2009 4:20:16 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (this slope is getting slippereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...)
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To: BufordP
Partners in matters of life and death?! I thought this was above his pay grade?

Sumbich buford that's a good point.

10 posted on 08/21/2009 4:21:01 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (this slope is getting slippereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...)
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To: the invisib1e hand
I don't think it was very subtle. Any Christian would
take this as a sure sign that Obama doesn't understand
Christianity.
11 posted on 08/21/2009 4:24:27 PM PDT by jusduat (probably lost)
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To: jusduat
I don't think it was very subtle. Any Christian would take this as a sure sign that Obama doesn't understand Christianity.

Right. Well, since he was speaking to Jews and quoting a Jewish prayer, I thought it might make sense to get it in context.

12 posted on 08/21/2009 4:28:27 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (this slope is getting slippereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...)
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To: the invisib1e hand

I understand. It’s that I’m shell shocked at the stuff that comes out his mouth.


13 posted on 08/21/2009 4:30:37 PM PDT by jusduat (probably lost)
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To: taillightchaser

Apparently, Obama is a duality, not a trinity...


14 posted on 08/21/2009 4:58:36 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: the invisib1e hand

I followed the link on Klavin’s page to Politico and from there the link to the rabi’s blog. Here is the message posted there now:

“My lack of tech literacy results in a huge mistake — apologies to all for my tweets this afternoon. They have been deleted.”
Odd, no?


15 posted on 08/21/2009 5:08:25 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

Trying to track down the original source of Obama’s quote via web searches, I came across a post by a commenter who said “The thing that God and Obama have in common is that neither one of them have a birth certificate”
I thought it was cute.


16 posted on 08/21/2009 5:13:34 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote
Obama told the rebs, “We are God’s partners in matters of life and death.”

I find that hard to believe.

17 posted on 08/21/2009 7:17:16 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: ransomnote
Odd, no?

no, oddacious.

***

That remark is just plain freaky. It's one of those lines that you read about in history books and ask yourself, "how could people not know what he was up to?"

These people have to be stopped.

18 posted on 08/21/2009 7:51:30 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (this slope is getting slippereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...)
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To: BenLurkin
I find that hard to believe.

I don't guess we'll ever know for sure anymore, as the records have been deleted.

19 posted on 08/21/2009 7:52:22 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (this slope is getting slippereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...)
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To: ransomnote
“My lack of tech literacy results in a huge mistake — apologies to all for my tweets this afternoon. They have been deleted.”

Jeebus, do you mean that conservatives and libertarians can read Twitter? Why don't people explain these things to me! I'll delete those tweets immediately!

20 posted on 08/21/2009 7:55:45 PM PDT by filbert (More filbert at http://www.medary.com)
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To: filbert

I like your interpretation, I think it’s pretty accurate...except maybe the part where the rabi exclaims ‘jeebus!’ ;)


21 posted on 08/21/2009 8:12:17 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote
Obama: "We are God's partners in Matters of Life and Death"!

See Michelle, I told you that we had plenty of space to put all of the old and worthless Americans and worthless depressed and disabled veterans in and get them out of the way. We could put about 50 million of them in that big hole. Then, we can use their estate taxes to fund the 40 million former illegals, who are now our voters and needing free healthcare.


22 posted on 08/22/2009 1:19:31 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does 0b0z0 have any friends, who aren't traitors, spies, tax cheats and criminals?)
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To: ransomnote

Obama is already dead and should worry about saving his own soul from such death and condemnation.

He may choose to kill or to grace at will, it makes him not God’s partner but instrument for God’s rhetoric.

Obama should fear what he wishes for in this.


23 posted on 08/22/2009 6:35:41 PM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: ransomnote

By the way, this is in line with Mohammedian “interpretership” of GOd... and can we also mention that Attorney in Latin means appointed representative...

God rebuked lawyers as far as I know.


24 posted on 08/22/2009 6:38:33 PM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: the invisib1e hand

He is embracing strange arrogant rhetoric of the suicide bomber.


25 posted on 08/22/2009 6:43:03 PM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: ransomnote

Leftist Christianity has no connection to the Bible. They are merely pushing a leftist political agenda using bits of religious sounding language. They hate the God of the Bible.


26 posted on 08/22/2009 6:49:41 PM PDT by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: ransomnote

I believe Limbaugh uttered that same phrase a few weeks back... Of course it doesn’t take away from the quote at all.


27 posted on 08/22/2009 6:50:27 PM PDT by jurroppi1 (The American people deserve more than hype and claims from all parts of gov't (think founders)!)
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To: jurroppi1

I’m not much of a Limbaugh fan although I can say that sometimes he brings clarity to smoke and mirror discussions.
I think the comment stands out in my mind when Obama says it because I don’t see leadership traits in him. It’s always a different story given to a different audience. I know that public speakers must accommodate their audiences - but it’s as though there is no actual Obama. There is a colossal ego of unimaginable proportions and a desire to manipulate or stampede people rather than lead them. If Limbaugh had or has the same character flaws, I wouldn’t care because he is just a radio guy. Obama has too much influence over my life already and he wants much much more. MUCH much more.


28 posted on 08/22/2009 9:17:55 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

Agree with everything you posted, but I was referring to the following quote: “The thing that God and Obama have in common is that neither one of them have a birth certificate”

Limbaugh said that a few weeks back now (one of the few times he broached the BC subject).


29 posted on 08/23/2009 2:24:46 PM PDT by jurroppi1 (The American people deserve more than hype and claims from all parts of gov't (think founders)!)
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To: jurroppi1

Ah...I see. Please pardon my confusion. I was born that way - even in my baby pictures I have a confused look on my face. : )


30 posted on 08/23/2009 5:23:41 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

I could’ve been a little less nebulous about what I was referring to also, so I suppose I confused the situation to begin with.


31 posted on 08/23/2009 5:31:53 PM PDT by jurroppi1 (The American people deserve more than hype and claims from all parts of gov't (think founders)!)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Misquote. Nothing like this in the liturgy of the Yomim
Noraim, High Holy Days.


32 posted on 08/25/2009 2:50:19 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: cycjec
Misquote.

Imagine that.

Thanks for the clarification -- I can't believe it's been days before someone bothered, but I'm grateful.

33 posted on 08/26/2009 7:36:40 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the revolution just happened.)
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