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Reincarnated! Our son is a World War II pilot come back to life
dailymail.co.uk ^ | August 29, 2009 | Zoe Brennan

Posted on 08/29/2009 12:07:45 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

It sounds totally beyond belief. But read the tantalising evidence from this boy's family and you may start to wonder...

The agonised screams pierced the air. 'Plane on fire! Airplane crash.' In the dark, a two-year-old boy was just visible, writhing on his bed in the grip of horror. 'He was lying there on his back, kicking and clawing at the covers like he was trying to kick his way out of a coffin,' remembers the boy's father.

'I thought, this looks like The Exorcist. I half expected his head to spin around like that little girl in the movie. But then I heard what James was saying.'

Over and over again, the tiny child screamed: 'Plane on fire! Little man can't get out.'

For his shocked parents, these nightly scenes were traumatic.

For experts, they were baffling.

As the nightmares became more terrifying, the child started screaming the name of the 'little man' who couldn't get out of the plane. It was James - like his own name. He also talked in his dreams of 'Jack Larsen', 'Natoma' and 'Corsair'.

James Leininger's father, Bruce, was flummoxed. In a desperate attempt to find an answer to his son's troubled nights, he embarked on an obsessive three-year research project, armed only with the outbursts and names his son had been shouting in his disturbed sleep.

What he discovered astonished and perplexed him, and drove him to an extraordinary conclusion.

A lifelong Christian, it was not the answer he had sought for his son's behaviour. But he came to believe James was the reincarnation of a World War II fighter pilot; a man who had been shot down in his plane and struggled to escape as it caught fire; a hero.


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TOPICS: Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: callingartbell; faithandphilosophy; jamesleininger; louisiana; ltjameshustonjr; reincarnation; soulsurvivor
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1 posted on 08/29/2009 12:07:46 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This is an old story.

Reincarnation is not Christian and isn’t possible.


2 posted on 08/29/2009 12:10:56 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

There is no “reincarnation”.

It’s demonic oppression.

This man needs to call the elders of the church to pray over his son and ask Jesus for deliverance from this oppression.


3 posted on 08/29/2009 12:12:04 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Better put on your asbestos suit!!

But this story is pretty hard to easily dismiss. They eventually found the plane (Right where the kid says it was!) and the odds of him coming up with all the info (names, places, times) just out of the blue is like zero.

Something else got mentioned last night on C2C. Some fellow who investigates death and near death experiences.

It’s not unusual for people to see dead relatives and have various visions right before they die. Understandable in a way.

But this guy says there are documented cases (rare) when the dying person has a vision... and SOMEBODY ELSE WHO IS WITH HIM/HER SEES THE SAME THING!

I got some shivers over that one...


4 posted on 08/29/2009 12:13:36 PM PDT by djf (The "racism" spiel is a crutch, those who unashamedly lean on it, cripples!)
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To: nmh

Yup. “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment” Heb. 9:27

My girlfriend had a strange thing happen with her son. He was about three and she walked into the room where her vanity was. Her son was apply makeup on himself like a pro (had never watched her do this in the past). She asked, “Justin, what are you doing?” He answered, “Doing my makeup like I did when I was a woman.” Creepy, huh?

He died a year later with a brain tumor.


5 posted on 08/29/2009 12:19:39 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: djf

“It’s not unusual for people to see dead relatives and have various visions right before they die. Understandable in a way.”

There are what are claimed to be totally corroborated cases of identical twins where 1 dies and the other, far far away, knows it in a public place at that moment.


6 posted on 08/29/2009 12:20:04 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Quix

This should interest you, too (perhaps).


7 posted on 08/29/2009 12:21:18 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: MayflowerMadam
Weird!

Who knows what he saw on T.V. ... .

They are quick to imitate.

I am sorry about his death ... .

8 posted on 08/29/2009 12:22:29 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I am a firm believer that there are MANY things in this world that only God can explain. I have always said....when I die....and if I make it to Heaven...I’ll be asking lots and lots of questions. ;-)


9 posted on 08/29/2009 12:24:09 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” -George Orwell)
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To: WoofDog123

I’ve heard of that.

Plus a case where a youngster (not sure how old) had an accident and then had an NDE.

In the NDE, she saw somebody she knew and reported it to her family... nobody could figure it out, because the person she had seen was supposedly alive.

Not so. The person the child saw in the NDE had very recently died and the family wasn’t aware of it.


10 posted on 08/29/2009 12:26:11 PM PDT by djf (The "racism" spiel is a crutch, those who unashamedly lean on it, cripples!)
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To: nmh

Anything is possible, and I say that as a Christian.


11 posted on 08/29/2009 12:26:44 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Westbrook

Exactly.


12 posted on 08/29/2009 12:28:26 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Free ThinkerNY
In my former life, I was a total smartass.

Glad that's been fixed this time around.

(sticks out tongue)

13 posted on 08/29/2009 12:28:37 PM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

At worst, if you’re a Christian and believe this is possible, if it turns out to be false, the Lord will merely tell us after we die, “It ain’t so.” Y’know what I mean ? I’d rather die believing this is possible than like Ted Kennedy believing it’s OK to hamburgerize the unborn in the name of “choice.”


14 posted on 08/29/2009 12:29:14 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

As a Christian, whatever it is, it is not reincarnation.


15 posted on 08/29/2009 12:33:06 PM PDT by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a this "Health" Bill--or lose reelection)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
You can argue that transmigration of the soul is a proof of God. I found that interesting when I was younger, but if you expand the population expediently are there enough souls to fill the population?

Metaphysics is beyond me.

16 posted on 08/29/2009 12:34:37 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: nmh

“For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. He who has ears, let him hear.”

Thus saith the Lord.


17 posted on 08/29/2009 12:39:06 PM PDT by ottbmare (Ein Reich, ein Volk, ein Obama!)
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To: Little Bill

I have wondered the same thing. And why do so many people claim to be, say Cleopatra? Do the souls divide up as time goes on?


18 posted on 08/29/2009 12:40:52 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: cmj328

An atheist or agnostic would agree with that, because there is no known mechanism for memories to be transplanted, dead or alive.

Look, all these stories have one thing in common...they all depend on “someone” saying thus and so happened, in this case, the parents. No objective proof, just hearsay that happens to be highly marketable to the tabloids. Case closed.


19 posted on 08/29/2009 12:41:52 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I believe this story to be true. God tells us that there are Ghosts, and he tells us not to meddle with them.

That isn’t the same thing at all as saying they “don’t exist”. They do.


20 posted on 08/29/2009 12:42:20 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: MayflowerMadam

“Yup. “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment” Heb. 9:27”

Thank you. This is the exact quote I always use to show that reincarnation does not happen.


21 posted on 08/29/2009 12:48:50 PM PDT by Daniel II (I'm Jim Thompson, this is my brother Jimmy, and this is my other brother Jimmy)
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To: Little Bill

One could argue there’s a lot of soulless people, witness the Mohammadan culture of death.


22 posted on 08/29/2009 12:49:01 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Impy

*ping* A subject I’ve brought up.


23 posted on 08/29/2009 12:50:07 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I feel sorry for the young man, growing up believing that he is not his own unique, divine soul created in the image of God, but a retread. You have one chance at this life, no matter what your parents tell you.


24 posted on 08/29/2009 12:52:15 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (All gray areas are fabrications.)
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To: brytlea
I have often wondered about those souls that wanted to be serfs on Manorial Estate in Medieval England.

I knew a few people who were into past life regression none of them ever paid Quit Rent on Kings land in Glostershire as several in my family did or were boarder reavers as several others were.

25 posted on 08/29/2009 12:52:43 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: Little Bill

If a blastocyst, which results after the fertilisation of the egg, is cleaved artificially, thus resulting in what would have been one individual, into two, three or more, when the individuals are allowed to develop fully, does that mean that the additional individuals created out of the originally single individual, have no souls? If they do, who put them there?

Or perhaps, there is no such thing as a soul.


26 posted on 08/29/2009 12:52:56 PM PDT by OldSpice
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To: Westbrook

You are right on. Of course, it is demonic. Years ago I read of a woman that had been reincarnated from a lady living in Ireland hundreds of years before. She had never been to Ireland but could describe the way the land was laid out and everything to the nth detail - everything.

As believers we know that spirit beings - both evil and good - do inhabit the universe. Since they have been around a very, very long time and are rather intelligent, anything they have seen they could easily transmit to another.

Why it happens and why, in particularly, to a young child, is the question to ask. My hunch is that this little lad’s mother was probably dabbling in some occult practices - whether fortune telling or what-have-you.

Poor little boy.


27 posted on 08/29/2009 12:53:00 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Free ThinkerNY

bttt


28 posted on 08/29/2009 12:53:30 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Little Bill

LOL.


29 posted on 08/29/2009 12:54:04 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Discovery channel had a show on a few years back (a long show) called “A Haunting in Georgia”

It was about a family, but mostly a young girl who reported various phenomena and visions.

Now they had all the standard brouhaha of bringing in a Priest, bringing in a psychic, bringing in a scientist from the local college with all his meters and thingys.

During the investigation, somebody who was attached to the case found out that an elderly gentleman had died in the house. He was able to find a photo.
So he mixed the photo in with nine other pics of old guys, and showed them all to the girl.

She, of course, picked out the correct pic at first glance!

The scientist fiddled with his meters. And blathered on and on about magnetic field anomalies and other stuff.

Then, at the very end of the show, they were interviewing him. He again went on with his electric - magnetic- sunspot rubbish and finally said one of the most stunning things I’ve ever heard coming from a scientist:

“We are forced to conclude that after a person dies, SOMETHING RESIDUAL REMAINS”...

Something.
Patterns?? Impressions?? Resonances?? Something.
Who knows. I’m not sure if science could ever figure it out.


30 posted on 08/29/2009 12:56:30 PM PDT by djf (The "racism" spiel is a crutch, those who unashamedly lean on it, cripples!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Not by Christian Theology, every man has a soul, he either accepts God or he doesn’t. “I am the Truth and the Light.”


31 posted on 08/29/2009 12:57:56 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Reincarnation is not a Christian concept but for, Hindu, Wiccan, Buddhists and others it is a accepted concept. If I make it to heaven and St. Peter has a big dot on his forehead, I might as well turn around immediately and head back down for another go.
32 posted on 08/29/2009 1:01:07 PM PDT by dog breath
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To: Little Bill

LOL yes. Most of my ancestors were not someone who would make a very glamorous past life.


33 posted on 08/29/2009 1:01:42 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: OldSpice
Strawman.
34 posted on 08/29/2009 1:03:08 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Many years ago,,on a Saturday late afternoon I was cleaning out my closet on my hands and knees...I thought I heard someone and then felt a presence so strongly that I called
out to my husband and son thinking it was them in the hallway. Again felt so strongly that I got up and went into
the hallway looking around...they were two flights down and nowhere near me. Later that night I received a phone call
that my brother had been hit by a car at around that time...
I’m a Christian and beleive that he came to say goodbye..


35 posted on 08/29/2009 1:03:15 PM PDT by savage woman
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To: Paved Paradise
At some point in the past, whether it was the boy's immediate family or not, someone played around with the occult in some fashion and invited the demons onto that property - the same demons who, it would appear, have targeted this little boy.

Demons will always target the most psychologically and emotionally vulnerable person in a family - usually it is a highly emotional, pre-pubescent girl, if one is in the family.

If this story is true, it certainly appears to be demonic oppression and the family will have to get outside help to fix the problem.

36 posted on 08/29/2009 1:06:46 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: brytlea

All of mine were, I tell my friends that we were were the foot soldiers of history.


37 posted on 08/29/2009 1:07:37 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

NDEs are a rich source for this subject.


38 posted on 08/29/2009 1:08:48 PM PDT by FTJM
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To: ottbmare

Mathew 17:3

John 1:21

2nd Kings 2:15


39 posted on 08/29/2009 1:10:00 PM PDT by Fichori (Make a liberal cry.... Donate -> https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/ <-)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
But he came to believe James was the reincarnation of a World War II fighter pilot; a man who had been shot down in his plane and struggled to escape as it caught fire; a hero.

From the parents standpoint, perhaps a preferable answer rather than the more unappealing choice of having a disturbed child.

40 posted on 08/29/2009 1:12:54 PM PDT by fso301
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To: nmh

“Reincarnation is not Christian and isn’t possible.”

Is the Resurrection not a form of reincarnation?


41 posted on 08/29/2009 1:16:02 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: savage woman

The night my ex-wife passed away, one of my cats suddenly jumped up and stared straight ahead, as if something or someone was in the room. The cat wasn’t scared, just very alert. She kept staring at that spot for a couple of minutes. A short while later, my ex-wife’s brother called and told me she had just died.


42 posted on 08/29/2009 1:18:14 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY (Live Free Or Die)
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To: bigbob
I'm not so skeptical. I'm saying, if evidence is offered that "memories are transplanted", as you say, or perhaps more precisely that someone is exhibiting symptoms of remembering things that only a particular dead person would remember, nonetheless this is not proof of reincarnation.

In Christian theology and psychology, there are other spiritual phenomena (obsession, possession) which would explain the evidence perfectly. The boy should be sent to a trained exorcist for healing, which is after all more important than understanding the frightening phenomena. When the exorcism is successfully performed with the authority of Christ and in His Name, then the father will have proof of the truth of the Christian religion.

43 posted on 08/29/2009 1:20:00 PM PDT by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a this "Health" Bill--or lose reelection)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Interesting read. Thanks for sharing.


44 posted on 08/29/2009 1:20:00 PM PDT by TexasBeth
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To: KrisKrinkle
Is the Resurrection not a form of reincarnation?

No, the Spirit entered the same Incarnate Body.

45 posted on 08/29/2009 1:21:35 PM PDT by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a this "Health" Bill--or lose reelection)
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To: Little Bill

We had a couple of colorful characters, but mostly, just the masses.


46 posted on 08/29/2009 1:22:47 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: TexasBeth

Agreed. I’m also a Christian, but do not necessarily reject this. He said he died and went to Heaven and met his friends who also just died. OK so far - who knows what God has in mind for some or all.


47 posted on 08/29/2009 1:23:59 PM PDT by uscabjd
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To: Free ThinkerNY
It was the adults who put the label Reincarnation on the boy, not the boy himself.
48 posted on 08/29/2009 1:24:08 PM PDT by Excellence (Meet your new mother-in-law, the United States Government)
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To: uscabjd

Exactly!


49 posted on 08/29/2009 1:26:06 PM PDT by TexasBeth
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To: OldSpice
No such thing as soul? Bite your tongue!


50 posted on 08/29/2009 1:26:39 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (This tagline excerpted. To read more, click on MyOverratedBlog.com)
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