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What did Thomas Jefferson write to William Wilberforce about?
"Amazing Grace", film | me

Posted on 10/03/2009 9:47:01 PM PDT by ExGeeEye

This is a Vanity. If it shows up in the wrong place, would some kindly soul remove it to a better place.

I have recently seen the movie "Amazing Grace", with Ioan Gruffudd, about William Wilberforce and his efforts to end British participation in the slave trade.

At one point, his friend, PM Pitt, tells him that one of the reasons he's having trouble is that it is rumored that WW was corresponding with Thomas Jefferson.

Is it true? Does anyone know what they were writing about? Jefferson had slaves, and WW was against it.


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1 posted on 10/03/2009 9:47:02 PM PDT by ExGeeEye
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Your attention is invited to the second sentence in the post. Thank you.


2 posted on 10/03/2009 9:47:55 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (Keep your powder dry, and your iron hidden.)
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To: ExGeeEye

Most early Americans were against the slave trade. The Carolinas and Georgia required that, as a condition of joining the Union, no prohibition of the slave trade could be made for at least 20 years. 20 years later the slave trade was banned in America (1808). The USS Constitution prowled the west coast of Africa freeing slaves. Americans created Liberia for freed slaves.


3 posted on 10/03/2009 10:04:55 PM PDT by HospiceNurse
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Jefferson was also against slavery, but he believed Blacks were inferior and couldn't see any path to their emancipation. The only part of the Declaration of Independence that was substantially edited -- actually removed -- was a bitter polemic against the slave trade and King George's participation in it.

Jefferson signed the law ending the slave trade. It was known in England that America intended to end the Atlantic trade, and it was a source of both irritation to British abolitionists that the Americans might end it first, and a source of arguing against ending it on the British side by anti-American forces in Parliament. I don't think there is any evidence that either man knew or wrote to the other; in any case, their formative opinions on slavery could not have had any reciprocal influence.

4 posted on 10/03/2009 10:13:54 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: HospiceNurse

Was the ban on slave trading actually enforced?

Also I assume that slavery was still legal, just not importation? We had our own “home grown” slaves by that point, right?


5 posted on 10/03/2009 11:23:32 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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Was the ban on slave trading actually enforced?

Yes and no. Punishable by death technically, but because the South was allowed to count slaves as 3/5 of a man, the South was able to have a disproportionate representation in Congress. Ironically, it would have ended slavery sooner if slaves were considered 0%. The USS Constitution saved thousands.

6 posted on 10/03/2009 11:30:47 PM PDT by HospiceNurse
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Punishable by death technically

Technically it was classified as a form of piracy, which is exactly right.

Under Lincoln the first slaver/pirate was hanged.

7 posted on 10/04/2009 1:39:51 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Marie2
According to my reading, WW got the trade in slaves abolished (for the British Empire) in 1807, as shown in Amazing Grace, and continued to work for the abolition of the institution as a whole, which was accomplished (again, for the British Empire) shortly after his death in 1833.
8 posted on 10/04/2009 4:27:18 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Keep your powder dry, and your iron hidden.)
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To: ExGeeEye
a quick google search produced only this:

"Where Martin Luther King Jr. had spoken in his timeless “I have a dream” speech of “a beautiful symphony of brotherhood” – Wilberforce had, 155 years before, written of a “concert of benevolence” in an abolition letter to President Thomas Jefferson.

"In words that Dr. King would have understood well Wilberforce had also written: “In the Scriptures no national crime is condemned so frequently, and few so strongly, as oppression and cruelty, and the not using our best endeavours to deliver our fellow-creatures from them.”... "

No clear indication of how many letters were exchanged, or of how much influence, if any really, Wilberforce had on Jefferson.

9 posted on 10/04/2009 1:37:14 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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