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Bob Dylan concert review - October 5, 2009, Seattle, WA
PA Times | 10/6/09 | pissant

Posted on 10/06/2009 11:41:42 AM PDT by pissant

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To: pissant

That will be a looonnngg wait, I fear; but anything is possible.


41 posted on 10/06/2009 2:19:13 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Lance Corporal is OM for Iraq.)
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To: pissant

Yes, that’s great, isn’t it? I can’t conceive of a mind that wrote those lyrics recanting the faith that formed them. I sure hope not. Another one I like is...

“SAVED”

I was blinded by the devil,
Born already ruined,
Stone-cold dead
As I stepped out of the womb.
By His grace I have been touched,
By His word I have been healed,
By His hand I’ve been delivered,
By His spirit I’ve been sealed.

I’ve been saved
By the blood of the lamb,
Saved
By the blood of the lamb,
Saved,
Saved,
And I’m so glad.
Yes, I’m so glad,
I’m so glad,
So glad,
I want to thank You, Lord,
I just want to thank You, Lord,
Thank You, Lord.

By His truth I can be upright,
By His strength I do endure,
By His power I’ve been lifted,
In His love I am secure.
He bought me with a price,
Freed me from the pit,
Full of emptiness and wrath
And the fire that burns in it.

I’ve been saved
By the blood of the lamb,
Saved
By the blood of the lamb,
Saved,
Saved,
And I’m so glad.
Yes, I’m so glad,
I’m so glad,
So glad,
I want to thank You, Lord,
I just want to thank You, Lord,
Thank You, Lord.

Nobody to rescue me,
Nobody would dare,
I was going down for the last time,
But by His mercy I’ve been spared.
Not by works,
But by faith in Him who called,
For so long I’ve been hindered,
For so long I’ve been stalled.

I’ve been saved
By the blood of the lamb,
Saved
By the blood of the lamb,
Saved,
Saved,
And I’m so glad.
Yes, I’m so glad, I’m so glad,
So glad, I want to thank You, Lord,
I just want to thank You, Lord,
Thank You, Lord.

That’s straight Gospel truth. I can’t wait to read the next installment of his autobiography. I certainly hope he says something definitive. I know he enjoys his mystique and he’s entitled to it as a poet, but as a Christian we know that our “faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.” (1 Corinthians 2:5)


42 posted on 10/06/2009 2:22:21 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; don-o

Here is Paul Schaffers’s Dylan recollections. Somewhat amusing.

Bob Dylan’s Band Camp

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/features/2009/10/paul-shaffer-excerpt-200910?printable=true


43 posted on 10/06/2009 2:36:40 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: swarthyguy

Maybe so. It just did not seem to fit well


44 posted on 10/06/2009 2:37:24 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: GSWarrior

Sexton and the Arc Angels at their best, playing “Too Many Ways to Fall” on Austin City Limits in 2001:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPWdLpnKknc

}:-)4


45 posted on 10/06/2009 3:04:00 PM PDT by Moose4 (Ted Kennedy: "If they bring up Camelot, we get to bring up the lady in the lake.")
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To: pissant
Interesting recollections. Schaffer seems to imply that Dylan's faith journey has returned him to Orthodox Judaism which hasn't been documented and which is contradicted by his music. When asked in an interview a few years ago if he read the New Testament, Dylan answered "every day."

Also, isn't it sad some people think they can include in their books comments about Christianity like Wexler's -- “Oh, I wouldn’t say anything,” he (Wexler) said in a panic. “Bob takes this shit seriously.”

Yet if the tables were turned they surely would feel they "Gotta Sue Somebody."

I met Dylan once at a party and he is completely opaque. He loves that image and says he wants to be known through his music and lyrics. I take him at his word. 8~)

46 posted on 10/06/2009 3:10:38 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: pissant
“The worst: Dylan touring with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers as his backup band in sometime in the 1980s. Unbearable, frankly.”

I saw that tour in Portland, Oregon in 86. The next year I saw Bob with the Dead. He just did not seem to have it together at these shows. I could not make out any of his lyrics.

47 posted on 10/06/2009 3:13:15 PM PDT by mickey finn
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To: pissant

Yeah funny from Paul Schaeffer. Dave Letterman’s bald headed stooge


48 posted on 10/06/2009 3:51:23 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: pissant

Great review, PA. Thanks for the dirty details. Loved it.


49 posted on 10/06/2009 4:00:03 PM PDT by uncitizen
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Also, isn't it sad some people think they can include in their books comments about Christianity like Wexler's -- “Oh, I wouldn’t say anything,” he (Wexler) said in a panic. “Bob takes this shit seriously.”

Hope this makes you feel better about what Jerry Wexler said--->>>>

link
It immediately reminded me of a quote attributed to Jerry Wexler — co-producer of Slow Train Coming and Saved — which is referred to in many places (try this Google search).

Scott Marshall refers to it in his book, “Restless Pilgrim“:

Full of zeal, Dylan tried to interest his other producer, Jerry Wexler, in the New Testament. Wexler responded, “I’m a sixty-two-year-old card-carrying Jewish atheist.” According to Wexler, that was the end of the discussion.

(Jerry Wexler doesn't (didn't) take any religion seriously. He died a few years ago. I have had the honor of bumping into him at a video store)

 


50 posted on 10/06/2009 4:25:16 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I met Dylan once at a party and he is completely opaque. He loves that image and says he wants to be known through his music and lyrics. I take him at his word.

I wish more rock stars would take this route.

Jack White seems the most intent on following the template. Taking his wife's last name and tacking III on the end. Sticking to the story that they are brother and sister even though the real back story is known.

Is it any wonder that Jack and Bob get along?
51 posted on 10/06/2009 4:30:25 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: dennisw
The comment you quote by Wexler is harmless. I don't decry anyone's denying what I believe to be true. It's their prerogative.

I did mind the nasty way Wexler referenced Christianity in Schaffer's book. It just doesn't seem to be a two-way street.

52 posted on 10/06/2009 4:38:15 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

My interpretation of Wexler’s “he really believes this shit” is Jerry Wexler is saying it is just a passing phase. And truth be told Dylan has in fact oscillated a few times between Judaism and Christianity

When I see a Jew has become Christian I hope he does return to Judaism. Jerry might also have been thinking that. Wexler should not have used the word “shit”...you can substitute malarkey, jive or nonsense for that. You must remember Wexler was an atheist


53 posted on 10/06/2009 4:46:30 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw
I don't mind Wexler saying it (although I doubt he'd take kindly to the comment in reverse.)

It's the fact Schaffer put it in his book in the chapter on Dylan which seems to conclude with Schaffer's (faulty) opinion that Dylan has returned to Orthodox Judaism. I don't think he has, but that's not what Schaffer (and 90% of the music world) wants us to believe.

And truth be told Dylan has in fact oscillated a few times between Judaism and Christianity

His sons were bar mitzvahed long ago. He has a heritage just like we all do that should be honored and cherished. But I haven't seen any evidence he has returned to his Jewish faith. (And all evidence regarding Dylan should begin and end with his music which seems to be the only place he truly reveals himself, by careful intent.) All Christians could benefit from talking Scripture with Jewish rabbis. That doesn't mean they're all converting.

When I see a Jew has become Christian I hope he does return to Judaism.

If you're Jewish, I can understand that. And you spoke those words without rancor or insult. As my Calvinist husband reminds me, Jews don't organize and murder entire populations of men and women.

Jews argue. And I like to argue. 8~)

54 posted on 10/06/2009 4:56:53 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I don’t mind Wexler saying it (although I doubt he’d take kindly to the comment in reverse.) .....................

You could not be more wrong. Wexler called himself a 62 year old Jewish atheist. If you said to him “What do you think of all that Old Testament shit” I think he would have said “It is comforting nonsense to many. I was brought up believing it”


55 posted on 10/06/2009 5:55:33 PM PDT by dennisw (It's not called the Wheel. It's called the Carousel.)
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When I see a Jew has become Christian I hope he does return to Judaism.

If you're Jewish, I can understand that. And you spoke those words without rancor or insult. As my Calvinist husband reminds me, Jews don't organize and murder entire populations of men and women.

Yep I'm Jewish
The general attitude among Jews  is "the Jewish population is small so it's a shame to lose one to Christianity because we need all the Jews we can get"

Plus when guys say "shit" they don't have to literally mean "shit". It can mean nonsense or stuff

Guys say "Get your shit out of here" means remove your belongings. It does not necessarily denigrate those belongings

56 posted on 10/06/2009 6:02:46 PM PDT by dennisw (It's not called the Wheel. It's called the Carousel.)
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To: dennisw

lol. I know DOZENS of "62 year old Jewish atheists." Maybe tens of dozens. And they all happily joke among themselves about Judaism. But let a goy make a remark and they bleed just like Shakespeare said.

I don't blame them. I think that's understandable.

57 posted on 10/06/2009 6:07:16 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: dennisw
The general attitude among Jews is "the Jewish population is small so it's a shame to lose one to Christianity because we need all the Jews we can get"

I can understand that. Much of the world conspires to finish what Hitler nearly accomplished. Every Christian and every Jew should be on guard against that evil. It's all around us.

Plus when guys say "shit" they don't have to literally mean "shit". It can mean nonsense or stuff

Having had a father whose every other word was just as you write, I understand your point. I just think if the comment went the other way Jews would likewise take offense. I think that just comes with being in the minority.

58 posted on 10/06/2009 6:11:24 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: pissant

Excellent review pissant. Thanks for the post.


59 posted on 10/06/2009 6:24:57 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

There must be some Jewish tribalism otherwise Jews would have ceased to exist long ago. Plus with only 14 million Jews in the world .....so I think (logically) you act a bit defensive. The big Jewish mistake is being defensive about Christianity when it must be Islam. The Israeli Jews know this better than the hot house flower Jews of America.

This country is so big and wealthy that you can stake out any absurd position and you will find thousands or millions that agree with you. So here you will find the leftist Jews saying the worst things about Israel. I would like to fly them over the West Bank and kick them out of the helicopter


60 posted on 10/06/2009 6:46:39 PM PDT by dennisw (It's not called the Wheel. It's called the Carousel.)
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