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Obama Lights White House Diwali Lamp
The Washington Post ^ | 10/15/09 | Aseem Shukla

Posted on 10/16/2009 10:55:54 PM PDT by SupplySider

The Dow Jones reached a significant milestone yesterday, and news outlets were abuzz with excitement. Olympia Snowe's vote for the Baucus bill was plenty fodder for the 24-hour news cycles. But, for Hindus, Sikhs, Jains and Buddhists in the United States, an epochal event transpired at the White House afternoon that should not slip notice.

Lead me from Untruth to Truth. Lead me from darkness to light. Lead me from death to immortality. (from the Brhadaranyaka Upanishad -- I.iii.28)

As the ethereal sounds of a Hindu priest's chanting of this Sanskrit prayer from ancient Hindu scripture filled the East Room, President Obama lit the ceremonial White House diya --and he used this Sanskrit word for lamp--with dozens of Asian, Indian and Hindu Americans in attendance.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsweek.washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: allies; ally; anglosphere; bho44; diwali; hindu; india; indianamericans; obama
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I thought this was a beautiful gesture by President Obama. India has 1.1 billion citizens. It's the largest Democracy in the world, and an ally in the war against Islamic extremism. This is their major holiday, and I'm sure this will spread immense good will.

In India, people bow to parents, teachers, guests, everyone. I found the president's honoring of that tradition perfectly appropriate.

1 posted on 10/16/2009 10:55:55 PM PDT by SupplySider
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To: SupplySider

The Brhadaranyaka Upanishad is one of my favorites.


2 posted on 10/16/2009 10:57:22 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: SupplySider

Do they set off fireworks in India on July 4th?


3 posted on 10/16/2009 10:58:46 PM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: SupplySider

Many of friends and colleagues are Indian, so no offense meant, but this white house is the collective poster children for ass-kissing.

Where’s that “loser” pic again?


4 posted on 10/16/2009 11:03:13 PM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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To: krb
And the BBQ brisket was great?

No Beef? What kind of holiday is that?

5 posted on 10/16/2009 11:04:20 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles
No Beef? What kind of holiday is that?

He ain't at A&M no more.

6 posted on 10/16/2009 11:06:40 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: lefty-lie-spy

2 MILLION Hindus are UNACCEPTABLE! Period. Change the culture and you change the nation. 0 wants to rub slat into the wounds of the Judeo-Christian heritage of this nation along the lines that “We are NOT a Christian nation”.....


7 posted on 10/16/2009 11:09:45 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: SupplySider

“It’s the largest Democracy in the world, and an ally in the war
against Islamic extremism. This is their major holiday, and
I’m sure this will spread immense good will. “

I agree. And will keep trying to explain this to my beloved flyover-country
relatives and friends.
India...IMHO, not perfect, but in that regard resembles another
prominent democracy.
OK, a “representative republic”. Yeah, I’m talking about our USA.

Things ain’t perfect in India or the USA.
But somehow I doubt either party will initiate a mutual armed conflict
while each works it’s way (however blindly!) to a better method of
goverance.

Just my humble (and VERY FALLIBLE HUMAN) thoughts on these weighty matters.
That are far above my pay-grade as an “average Joe”.


8 posted on 10/16/2009 11:15:19 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Steelfish

So, is Obumbles going to place the star on the White House Christmas tree ceremony?


9 posted on 10/16/2009 11:15:22 PM PDT by Carling (Olympicsgate: Obama's Waterloo)
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To: SupplySider

Anyone want to be he doesn’t light the WH Christmas tree? In fact, I’d bet the traditional Christmas tree display will be replaced by a display of all religions in the US.


10 posted on 10/16/2009 11:16:57 PM PDT by rintense
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To: SupplySider
"I thought this was a beautiful gesture by President Obama."

Horse Hockey.

This is a religious shell game, insulting to those who actually practice these fine traditions.

With one hand he holds your attention. With the other he holds Athame.
11 posted on 10/16/2009 11:17:36 PM PDT by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: Carling
“So, is Obumbles going to place the star on the White House Christmas tree ceremony?”

I would bet on the hammer ans sickle!

12 posted on 10/16/2009 11:27:06 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Steelfish

HIndus are “unnacceptable”. What is acceptable to you then? That’s a very bigoted remark. Now if you said “Liberal Hindus” we would have something to agree on.”

FYI, and little known fact: India is nearly 50% Muslim and 50% Hindu, with a smaller Christian population, and they regularly beat the hell out of each other for fun.


13 posted on 10/16/2009 11:27:16 PM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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To: lefty-lie-spy
....but this white house is the collective poster children for ass-kissing.

They're incompetent, immature poseurs.

14 posted on 10/16/2009 11:53:03 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: SupplySider
Obama's favorite Hindu quote:

"I am become debt, the destroyer of economies." /sarc>

Cheers!

15 posted on 10/16/2009 11:53:56 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

No. India is majority Hindu, Muslim’s are a minority, Christians are a minuscule minority outnumbered by Sikhs.

In any event. It’s highly disrespectful to appropriate someone’s else’s religion for your own political purposes. Zero’s no Hindu, and he shouldn’t act like one. I’ve never demanded that Zero take on the garb of Christianity which so obviously doesn’t suit him. He should act according to his own beliefs; I wouldn’t mind supporting an atheist president (he just won’t be this particular atheist).


16 posted on 10/17/2009 12:01:14 AM PDT by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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To: lefty-lie-spy
FYI, and little known fact: India is nearly 50% Muslim and 50% Hindu, with a smaller Christian population, and they regularly beat the hell out of each other for fun.

FYI, and a widely known fact, India is only 13.4% Muslim while 80.5% Hindu, with only a 2.3% Christian population, according to it's 2001 Census.

Also, Muslim violence and terrorism, including bombings, hijackings, kidnappings and executions, is not only found in India, but also the United States, Europe, Russia, Turkey, Iraq, Lebanon, Israel, the Palestinian territories, North Africa, South Asia, Afghanistan and Southeast Asia.

This is because unlike Hinduism, which actually is a religion of peace, Islam openly professes the need for all unbelievers to be made into slaves, or murdered.

Just saying, because I wouldn't want you to make any grossly biased or bigoted mistakes, utterly lacking in any truth, that you might have, like, made up out of thin air, or anything.

17 posted on 10/17/2009 12:09:13 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Talisker

WFT are you talking about?

I get my facts from Indian friends in Pune and Bangalore, perhaps the south is more Muslim than the rest of the country. And they do beat the hell out of each other all the time. If you want to argue on the 50%, that’s fine, and worth arguing about, but your full-of-lies and rude poke at me is utter crap.


18 posted on 10/17/2009 12:41:26 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Admitted in such vast numbers immigration of this kind chaages the cultural heritage of the nation. To stand up for American culture and heritage is patriotic not bigoted. Read Patrick Buchanan’s bestseller Book “Death of the West” that sheds light on this phenomenon.


19 posted on 10/17/2009 12:51:45 AM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

We agree on this. America has always been a country of immigrants. I fully want to promote the classic American culture to any other immigrants. Fortunately, most of my non-American-born friends came to America for that reason exactly. For example, it should make you proud to see a Chinese guy on a quad runner downing BBQ ribs and beer, just as I was completely floored and smiling about my Muslim Indian friend finding where all the whores and cheap beer are and how much they cost while he was out on a business trip.


20 posted on 10/17/2009 12:56:54 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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To: lefty-lie-spy
I get my facts from Indian friends in Pune and Bangalore, perhaps the south is more Muslim than the rest of the country. And they do beat the hell out of each other all the time.

I believe southern India has fewer Muslims than the northern portions - the Muslims invaded India from the northwest, through what are now Afghanistan and Pakistan. But the Indian Muslims take Diwali off too - I had a conference call to Bangalore rescheduled because they're off next Monday and Tuesday lol.
21 posted on 10/17/2009 12:58:09 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: VOA

I’ve thought for years that the US has been missing a great opportunity by not allying more closely with India in the wake of the cold war. A strong Indo-American partnership would help balance the rising axis of semi-evil, Russia and China.


22 posted on 10/17/2009 1:02:32 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: Steelfish
I see you point on immigration, Steelfish, but I think a few million Asian engineers and programmers, legally admitted, can assimilate much more easily than many more millions of illegals with lesser skills crossing our Southern border.

America was founded on religious freedom. I'd hate to see a theological litmus test for immigrants.

23 posted on 10/17/2009 1:09:48 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
I lived in Pune for a few months in the eighties. It was a pleasant city with more educated people, and more green space, than most places in India. My impression was that the population was ninety percent Hindu.

The locals would often say, with pride, that they were "the Bangalore of the West".

24 posted on 10/17/2009 1:16:42 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: SupplySider

Well, at least it wasn’t the Grail-shaped beacon.


25 posted on 10/17/2009 1:27:46 AM PDT by Erasmus (These days, it's hard for an iconoclast to keep up his image.)
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To: grey_whiskers

A shiva just ran up Chrissy’s leg.


26 posted on 10/17/2009 1:29:08 AM PDT by Erasmus (These days, it's hard for an iconoclast to keep up his image.)
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To: Erasmus

A shiva just ran up Chrissy’s leg.

&&
Clever


27 posted on 10/17/2009 1:51:27 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton for Secretary of State)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
The Brhadaranyaka Upanishad is one of my favorites.

I watched the YouTube video of Obama's brief talk for the occasion. I have no idea how much of it was his own words, but he spoke eloquently and respectfully about Indian religious values.

He also added some very Christian sentiments about remembering the poor.

I thought it was a fine talk.

28 posted on 10/17/2009 2:04:26 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: Talisker; markomalley

The “peaceful” Hindus

have been murdering masses of Christians—many of them Roman Catholics—for a long time in India with relative impunity.


29 posted on 10/17/2009 2:49:08 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Carling

“So, is Obumbles going to place the star on the White House Christmas tree ceremony?”

No, and in this new, enlighted, post-American, post-Christian era, the Christmas holiday is now being supplanted by homage and worship to the one true god. It will be now known as Barackmas.


30 posted on 10/17/2009 3:24:46 AM PDT by ScottinVA
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To: rintense
'Anyone want to be he doesn’t light the WH Christmas tree? In fact, I’d bet the traditional Christmas tree display will be replaced by a display of all religions in the US," EXCEPT Christianity. There fixed it.
31 posted on 10/17/2009 5:27:46 AM PDT by GulfWar1Vet
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To: SupplySider

I would approve of this cermony happening in the White House only if on July 4, 2010:

1. that Obama travel to India and

2. lead the Indian goverment in setting off fireworks and

3. eating a boatload of BBQ to celebrate a great American holiday.

Fair’s fair.....right?


32 posted on 10/17/2009 5:34:07 AM PDT by TheRobb7 (CAP TAXES--TRADE CONGRESS. Now THAT is Cap and Trade!)
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To: SupplySider

The founding fathers are turning over in their graves. In fact, if we could harnest that rotation since Obama took office, we could solve the energy crisis.


33 posted on 10/17/2009 6:07:00 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

It’s all good.


34 posted on 10/17/2009 6:21:40 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Hey, Obama just reopened the Asian outreach office that Bush cruelly closed!


35 posted on 10/17/2009 6:25:31 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: VOA

You are only partly right. I do like India and they are moving in the right direction, but domestically, although they are excellent businessmen, Indians are solidly Democrat.

That may make them good businessmen, but they’re not standing up for the values they profess.


36 posted on 10/17/2009 6:28:10 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: SupplySider
I found the president's honoring of that tradition perfectly appropriate.

Which makes me wonder why Barry really did it...

37 posted on 10/17/2009 6:28:20 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: Erasmus
EXCELLENT pun.

Cheers!

38 posted on 10/17/2009 6:37:43 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: SupplySider

Diwali lamp?

What—no DiBeaver lamp?


39 posted on 10/17/2009 6:47:18 AM PDT by exit82 (Sarah Palin is President No. 45. Get behind her, GOP, or get out of the way.)
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To: Steelfish
2 MILLION Hindus are UNACCEPTABLE! Period. Change the culture and you change the nation. 0 wants to rub slat into the wounds of the Judeo-Christian heritage of this nation along the lines that “We are NOT a Christian nation”.....

Lead me from Untruth to Truth. Lead me from darkness to light. Lead me from death to immortality. (from the Brhadaranyaka Upanishad -- I.iii.28)
That sounds very Christian to me.
40 posted on 10/17/2009 7:03:10 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: 1010RD

Hindu Americans vote democrat because the Republican party consists of conservative christians who are knee-jerk anti-hindu, as steelfish has already posted

Otherwise, Hindu Americans are social conservatives
Oppose blacks, muslims and affirmative action
Zero unwed mothers
Income equal to jews
Education beyond the jews


41 posted on 10/17/2009 8:51:25 AM PDT by ShyamSunder
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To: Steelfish

12% of all MD school entrants in the USA are Hindus
48% of all USA Hindus have a masters degree or more
43% of all USA Hindus have family income over $100k

The late Shiva Subrahmanya, a Hindu was running star wars defense for the USA from 1990-2000

If you guys want a rocket scientist other than from Russia or China, you do need Hindus


42 posted on 10/17/2009 8:58:42 AM PDT by ShyamSunder
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To: ShyamSunder

You make a good point- but here are a few observations. I believe you are equating all Indians with Hindus. There are many Catholics and Christians in India. My point is that large number of immigrants that do not share the cultural traditions of western civilization- religion, rituals, habits, and customs can change a nation from within. It is no coincidence that most Third World migrants vote Democratic. 0’s gesture of celebrating the Hindu rite of Diwali in the White House was for the naked purpose of courting these voters and diluting the Judeo-Christian traditions of this nation. And, if it matters, I speak as a South Asian myself.


43 posted on 10/17/2009 9:50:40 AM PDT by Steelfish
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To: lefty-lie-spy
And they do beat the hell out of each other all the time. If you want to argue on the 50%, that’s fine, and worth arguing about, but your full-of-lies and rude poke at me is utter crap.

Your mouth tends towards the foul when you are found out. Have you always been like that? You grossly misrepresent Census numbers and pretend this point is an argument, and then refer to gutter slang to misrepresent violence that has complex roots in both Hindu villages and Christian proselytizing behaviors, and which does not in any way represent Hinduism as a whole, and which is denounced by Hinduism as a whole, and which is in any even dwarfed by Muslim atrocities - yet you claim I am rude? LOL! You're either a troll, or belligerently ignorant, but in any event you seem to dearly want to poison people's understanding of Hinduism through rank misrepresentation. Now why would you want to do that?

44 posted on 10/17/2009 9:04:46 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Quix
The “peaceful” Hindus have been murdering masses of Christians—many of them Roman Catholics—for a long time in India with relative impunity

The "peaceful" Christians and Catholics have been pushing proselytization on frightened villagers and disrupting their cultural connections with religions ever since they got their. These same peaceful Christians and Catholics also tend to refuse to acknowledge that Hindu vilence is not supported by the vast majority of Hindus or Hinduism as a whole, and that Hindus have worked strenuously for many years to bring peace in this area. And finally, instead of acknowledging thes epeaceful efforts and majority renounciation of Hindu violence, these same Christians and Catholics constantly whip up ignorance and anger by trying to compare Hindus to the methodically murderous Muslim atrocities found in India and all over the world. Now why is that?

45 posted on 10/17/2009 9:09:29 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: exit82
Diwali lamp? What—no DiBeaver lamp?

Post of the night winner.

46 posted on 10/17/2009 9:12:01 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: Talisker

I haven’t checked with missionary conections there. They are not first hand connections.

Sounds like you have a clear bias, in any case.

There are usually 2 sides to a story.


47 posted on 10/17/2009 9:29:01 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: SupplySider
I heard that the YouTube video of Obama's short East Wing Diwali talk is now the second most downloaded in India. I've spoken with Indian American friends who greatly appreciated it.

Perhaps Obama had his eye on politics, but I think this was also a sincere gesture of good will, and was taken as such by millions of people.

48 posted on 10/17/2009 10:21:26 PM PDT by SupplySider
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To: Talisker

What in the world are you talking about? Found out about what?
What have I said in this thread that is rude, foul or inaccurate? We already explained your “census” numbers.
What is so difficult for you about having a civil discussion of this story instead of throwing insults?
Troll? Perhaps your screen name explains your delusion.


49 posted on 10/17/2009 10:35:13 PM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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To: Talisker
There is no bias in stating facts. Hindus, Christians, Muslims, whomever, are always fighting about religion and always have been, whether in India or elsewhere. This has nothing to do with Hinduism in particular, which I never accused of anything in this thread, and simply grouped the Hindu, Muslim and Christians together as people that beat the hell out of each other all the time, which is perfectly accurate.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7214053.stm

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,213670,00.html

http://www.washington.edu/uwpress/search/books/BRAPRO.html
50 posted on 10/17/2009 10:45:31 PM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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