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FRENCH QUIT WARNDT FOREST; HOLD ONLY A FEW OUTPOSTS (10/23/39)
Microfiche-New York Times archives, McHenry Library, U.C. Santa Cruz | 10/23/39 | G.H. Archambault, James B. Reston

Posted on 10/23/2009 5:29:33 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: catholic; milhist; realtime; worldwarii
Free Republic University, Department of History presents World War II Plus 70 Years: Seminar and Discussion Forum
First session: September 1, 2009. Last date to add: September 2, 2015.
Reading assignment: New York Times articles delivered daily to students on the 70th anniversary of original publication date. (Previously posted articles can be found by searching on keyword “realtime”.)
To add this class to or drop it from your schedule notify Admissions and Records (Attn: Homer_J_Simpson) by freepmail. Those on the Realtime +/- 70 Years ping list are automatically enrolled. Course description, prerequisites and tuition information is available at the bottom of Homer’s profile.
1 posted on 10/23/2009 5:29:33 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Reply:


Winston S. Churchill, The Gathering Storm

2 posted on 10/23/2009 5:30:19 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: r9etb; PzLdr; dfwgator; Paisan; From many - one.; rockinqsranch; GRRRRR; 2banana; henkster; ...
The International Situation – 1
Off German Soil – 1-2
Incidents in European Conflict – 3
One of Nazi Planes Downed Over Sea – 3-4
4 Bombers Fly Here to Await Arms – 4
Pope Urges Prayers For Peace in Europ [sic] – 5
Best Sellers of the Week* – 6

*Grapes of Wrath is still tops nationally.
Mein Kampf has faded from the top six everywhere but Atlanta and New Orleans.
In Chicago: Capt. Horatio Hornblower, by C.S. Forester.
Homer discovered this one some 23 years later and was hooked.

3 posted on 10/23/2009 5:32:52 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/0,9263,7601391023,00.html

Table of Contents: October 23, 1939

WAR & TERRORISM
WESTERN THEATRE: Push? (World War / WESTERN THEATRE)

AT SEA: How Did It Happen? (World War / AT SEA)

World War: Clever Boys (World War)

IN THE AIR: 72-Hour War? (World War / IN THE AIR)


4 posted on 10/23/2009 5:46:31 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

From the past in my state of Louisiana!

http://www.britannica.com/facts/10/40956788/October-23-1939-Offices-of-Louisiana-attorney-general-and

October 23, 1939 - Offices of Louisiana attorney-general and his assistant seize by state troops on orders of Gov. Earl K. Long.


5 posted on 10/23/2009 5:48:35 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Further Finn-Soviet negotiations
Monday, October 23, 1939 www.onwar.com

In Moscow... Soviet and Finnish representatives meet to discuss border revisions. The Finnish delegation is led by Paasikivi and accompanied by Tanner, the Minister of Finance. There is little change in the terms offered by either side.

In the Soviet Union... North of Murmansk, a German prize crew steers the US ship City of Flint into Kola Bay. The steamer was seized as contraband by a German cruiser.

On the Western Front... Patrolling units engage in combat in the region west of the Saar.

In Paris... Sir Eric Phipps, the retiring British Ambassador, leaves.

In the North Sea... The British Home Fleet escorts an iron ore convoy from Narvik, Norway (arriving on October 31st).


6 posted on 10/23/2009 5:52:18 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

The French has banned Armistice Day?! Well I guess the point is pretty mute now. It would be like the German’s celebrating the Battle of Sedan.


7 posted on 10/23/2009 8:24:23 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (My tagline is an honor student at Free Republic Elementary School.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Well I guess that about does it for the Saar offensive. But the French really fooled them with their withdraw. That will show them. Here's the British perspective:

CONCLUSIONS of a Meeting of the War Cabinet held at 10 Downing Street S.W. 1, on Monday, October 23, 1939, at 11:30am.

The Secretary of State for War said that during the week-end there had bneen an increase of 4 or 5 German Divisions in the Saar area. One more habe also been identified near Cologne.

The British Liaison Officer with the French had reported that there was a weak point in the Maginot Line, about 10 miles broad, in the Saar area, where the defences were only of the type to be found on the Franco-Belgian frontier.

The Chief of the Imperial General Staff, in reply to an enquiry by the Prime Minister, said that this gap in the Maginot Line was due to the fact that the French had not started work on this sector while the future of the Saar was in doubt. The French were now working on the sector, and would be able to inundate the country in front of it if necessary.

The Secretary of State for War said that , in conversation with the Director of Military Intelligence, General Gamelin had given the impression that he was now thinking more in terms of a German offensive in the Spring than in terms of the immediate future. He had appeared confident, and had expressed his satisfaction with the French tanks, and also with the Curtis Fighter.

The First Lord of the Admiralty enquired whether the General Staff were now convinced that no major German offensive was impending.

The Chief of the Imperial General Staff said that it was not possible to be absolutely definite on this point, but a major operation in the present state of the weather, and so late in the season, was not one which he himself would be prepared to undertake.

The War Cabinet took note of the above statements.

8 posted on 10/23/2009 9:36:51 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (My tagline is an honor student at Free Republic Elementary School.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Nice. Please add me to your ping list.


9 posted on 10/23/2009 9:54:30 AM PDT by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
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To: CougarGA7

A magnificant retreat.


10 posted on 10/23/2009 9:57:22 AM PDT by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
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To: CougarGA7

Wait ‘til the French fool the hell out of the Germans with their withdawal in May and June of the coming year [1940].


11 posted on 10/23/2009 10:19:33 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PzLdr; ichabod1

And then they will really throw them by surrendering. Those French are a crafty lot.


12 posted on 10/23/2009 10:44:10 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (My tagline is an honor student at Free Republic Elementary School.)
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To: abb
In Moscow... Soviet and Finnish representatives meet to discuss border revisions.

Read this story and others in tomorrow's edition of The New York Times.

In the Soviet Union... North of Murmansk, a German prize crew steers the US ship City of Flint into Kola Bay. The steamer was seized as contraband by a German cruiser.

This story finally makes the front page as breaking news tomorrow. The treatment of this episode is really fishy. The time line appears to get twisted.

13 posted on 10/23/2009 11:13:16 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: PzLdr; CougarGA7

Yes, the “clever strategic maneuver” by withdrawing from the Warndt Forest completely fooled the Germans. I dug through my archives of materials and found a transcript of Gamelin’s strategy session where this was decided. I think the stenographer used some code names for the French staff:

ARTHUR: Run away! Run away!

ALL KNIGHTS (taking up cry): Run away! Run away!

They run down from the cave and hide, regrouping behind some rocks. TIM, some way away, is pointing at them and laughing derisively.

TIM: Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha.

ARTHUR: Who did we lose?

LAUNCELOT: Sir Gawain.

GALAHAD: Ector.

ARTHUR: And Bors. Five.

+ GALAHAD: Three, sir!

+ ARTHUR: Three. Well, we’ll not risk another frontal assault. That rabbit’s dynamite.

ROBIN: Would it help to confuse him if we ran away more.


14 posted on 10/23/2009 11:36:12 AM PDT by henkster (0bamanomics: The "Final Solution" to America's "Prosperity Question.")
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To: henkster

Lol!


15 posted on 10/26/2009 7:42:43 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (My tagline is an honor student at Free Republic Elementary School.)
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