Skip to comments.Witnesses: Obama birth lawyer told us to lie
Posted on 11/12/2009 12:36:30 PM PST by fours
A man claiming to have been Barack Obamas homosexual lover and another claiming to have Obamas Kenyan birth certificate say Laguna Niguel attorney Orly Taitz asked them to lie in federal court.
Taitz planned to use the two as witnesses in her effort to prove Obama was born in Kenya and is not a legitimate president. However, the case was dismissed on Oct. 29 by U.S. District Judge David O. Carter without going to trial.
In his dismissal, Carter wrote, the Court has received several sworn affidavits that Taitz asked potential witnesses that she planned to call before this Court to perjure themselves. This Court is deeply concerned that Taitz may have suborned perjury through witnesses she intended to bring before this Court.
... in a Nov. 9 motion that criticized Carters dismissal of the case, Taitz identifies Larry Sinclair and Lucas Smith as the witnesses she believes filed affidavits saying that she asked them to lie. She denies the accusations and told me she thinks Sinclair and Smith filed the affidavits in response to pressure put on them. Sinclair provided me a copy of the affidavit he said he provided to the court, and said that he mailed a copy to Taitz as well.
Smith claims to have bribed a Kenyan official in February and obtained this document, which he says is Obamas 1961 Kenyan birth certificate. Among those calling the document a fake is World Net Dailys Jerome Corsi ...
Among allegations made in the affidavit from Smith is that Taitz asked him to say that he was the one who obtained a document that was alleged to be a 1964 Republic of Kenya Certified Copy of Registration of Birth of Barack Hussein Obama II. That document had been called a forgery by experts and in his affidavit, Smith said his research also concluded that the document was fake.
Smith also said that after he nearly stepped in front of a car driving down the street, Taitz wanted me to give testimony in the Honorable Judge David O. Carters courtroom that there had been an attempt on my life
Taitz told the court that Smiths life was in danger because the Obama administration did not want the information to get out.
According to Sinclairs affidavit, Taitz wanted Sinclair to testify in order to bolster the case that lives were in danger and the case should be expedited.
... Orly Taitz stated, Larry, I want you to testify that three members of Obamas church were murdered. I interrupted Orly Taitz at this time and informed her, Dr. Taitz, I told you when you contacted me in December 2008 you were spreading false claims, there was not three members of Obamas church murdered. Sinclair says in the affidavit.
Sinclair also says that Taitz asked him to identify for the court a birthmark on Obama, which Sinclair said he had not in fact seen.
Taitz said she absolutely did not ask Smith to say the 1964 certificate came from him, and absolutely did not ask him to say there had been an attempt on his life. She said she talked to Sinclair about other deaths in the church but did not ask him to lie, and denied his other allegations as well.
There was some kind of pressure on Lawrence Sinclair and Lucas Daniel Smith to stop working with me, Taitz said.
Pressure from whom?
I dont know who, she said.
Sinclair says the only pressure he felt was from Taitz and her backers.
I had gone out of my way to not be associated with her in any way, but she continued to try and pull me and my story into her cases, Sinclair wrote me in an email. I have not been pressured except by the constant attacks from her and her supporters because I would not make statements that I knew to be false.
In his affidavit, Smith repeatedly expresses frustration with Taitz inability to address the lawsuit effectively.
it began to become clearer and clearer to me that Orly Taitz had no understanding of the law, he said. I came to an exhaustive conclusion that Orly Taitz may be the Birthers worst nightmare. Outside of paying attention to her own voice at length, Orly Taitz has the attention span of a small child .
I knew that there was nothing further that I could do to convince Orly Taitz that we should fight this case with truths and documentation rather than her campaign of fighting Obama lies with Orly lies.
Click here to read Smiths affidavit. Beware that there is explicit discussion of Taitz alleged sexual behavior.
Whatever you think about her, she does seem to have a talent for making it into the news every week ...
Okay, so the Court believes Sinclair, who claims to have been Obama’s homosexual lover. Does that mean that we can believe Sinclair when he tells us that he was Obama’s homosexual lover?
Still haven’t decided which is worse. This nutcase Orly being the “face” of the people that just want the truth, or the Obama administration spending over a million dollars to not have to produce a $13.50 document to shut her up.
This article reads like a treatment of a Coen Brothers movie.
They could put this right up there with Fargo and Burn After Reading.
This issue was addressed and proven to be stupid at best. She asked them to testify to what they had already sworn to in court documnets already filed in other cases.
That is what I am taking away from this....Larry Sinclair tells the truth. This angle of Larry Sinclair's story is the only part Obama supporters want to vet. The Obama-Donald Young-Sinclair interactions are not investigated or even mentioned.
The Chicago thugs will bribe or threaten witnesses and judges and do **anything** ( literally) necessary to keep this from moving forward.
When is the big march on Fox News she promised supposed to take place?
Witnesses: Obama birth lawyer told us to lie
she (Orly) (Lucy) thinks Sinclair and Smith filed the affidavits in response to pressure put on them.
Check out #10.
So, are we supposed to believe a confessed perjurer who now tells us that Orly told him to lie?
Ah, someone else is a fan of the Coen Bros.
Fargo and Burn After reading are my two favorites as well!
Seriously, is Taitz is the best lawyer you birthers have, you might as well give it up now before you (and the rest of us by extension) are further embarrassed.
Smith and Sinclair got a better offer. That’s money you hear talking.
She is a nut.
True, but that also means he should not have mentioned it in his ruling. Especially considering that the afidavit had never been entered into evidence, and Mrs. Taitz never got a chance to challenge its contents.
In this case, you can be sure that Orly Taitz did not ask for the derogatory piece in the Orange County Register that you posted. So its publication has no relation to whatever talent for publicity she may or may not have.
Not so incidentally, although the article is about "sworn affidavits" from Lucas Smith and Larry Sinclair stating that Taitz asked each of them to lie, the Register conveniently neglects to mention that both of Taitz' accusers, Smith and Sinclair, have shady histories and criminal records themselves. That raises the possibility that one or both of them could have been blackmailed into swearing the affidavits against Taitz.
He always claimed he was. During the campaign Sinclair put up a website and had this limo image, that I made, in front of a Sinclair metal sign. He later shut down his site!
There is no question about the three men from Rev.Wright's church;
The murder of Donald Young, a 47-year-old choir master at former Rev. Jeremiah Wrights Trinity United Church of Christthe same congregation that Obama has attended for the past 20 years. Two other young black men that attended the same churchLarry Bland and Nate Spencerwere also murdered execution style with bullets to the backs of their headsall within 40 days of each other, beginning in November 2007. All three were openly homosexual.
What links this story to Barack Obama is that, according to an acquaintance of Obama, Larry Sinclair, Obama is a closet bisexual with whom he had sexual and drug-related encounters in November 1999.
Further, Sinclair claims that Obama was friendly with at least two of these deceased parishioners, and that choir director Donald had contacted him shortly before being murdered from multiple gunshot wounds on December 23, 2007.
I don’t know if she pressured witnesses to perjure themselves, but I do know that when she claimed in an affidavit this week, “under penalty of perjury”, that she had not asked supporters to call the court, that was a lie, since at least one page containing the request was still on her website. IMHO it was a bad idea for her to have filed this affidavit.
Well Justice, you know that the Obots post anti Orly stuff here all the time.
That was a good post you wrote in reply.
But really, I love it when these Obatrons post such articles and they get only 1 or 2 responses. That bothers them all to hell.Of course we have a Mod who pings them tio help them out though! Great Stuff eh?
I love it when the Obatroons get bothered all to hell. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzzy!
Orly has done more to bring the Obama COLB issue before the public than anyone else, which is the reason she is attacked here. Obama is scared to death that the issue will get legs.Orly has been Palinized. I admire Orly for continuing the fight. I hope she never gives in.
And many Freepers get sucked ito defaming ORly’s patriotism. SUCKAHS!
And Obama. Well we do have a way to get rid of him rather quuickly. Just pull that COLB out and publish it on the internet. BING BADDA BING. BYE BYE OBAMA!
And a lot moe people have joined in the Birther crusade after the FORT HOOD terrorist genocide fiasco.Our numbers are growing! AND IT ALL STARTED RIGHT HERE ON FR. YAY POLARIK!!!!!!!
Yes, there is.
Two other young black men that attended the same churchLarry Bland and Nate Spencerwere also murdered execution style
Larry Bland was not a member of Trinity. Nate Spencer was not murdered.
By the way, LARRY SINCLAIR was actually posting here in August of 2008.
Yes, there are many conflicting views on it. Many threads from here on Free Republic too.
Excellent point, Deb.
Not only that GI joe, don’t we just have to look at “Joe the Plumber” to see what Obama and his other demonic henchmen will do to prevent Obama from having to prove ANYTHING. The creep is a completely blank slate and UNfortunately for America, if that slate were ever filled in, I believe they would die a thousand deaths. This is SO EVIL. I’m getting past the point of believing that America will ever make a true attempt to stop this demonic steamroller. Good Luck. CO
Orly isn’t a nutcase sorry. What’s being done to her is what was done to “joe the Plumber”. WHO the HELL in the world would NOT release their Birth Certificate and other documentation, if they were applying for the top job in the country, IF NOTHING HAD to be hidden??? WHO??? Only someone guilty, that’s who. He’s got plenty to hide, most of which is the fact, that he’s not qualified to be destroying your country right now. God Help the USA and my American cousins and all their children and other relatives. They are coming out of their skin right now but feel as tho the country will never get it’s act together and remove this man and the total cabal. Not easy, not nice, but oh so necessary. CO
You are right, - they will do ANYTHING. And finding people dead in their cars is one of them as has already happened. CO
Oh okay - “you birthers” - says it all troll!! CO
Since I have worked in the legal field for 23 years, what you just said, is absolutely true. A Judge cannot mention anything in his ruling concerning an Affidavit unless and until it has been entered and argued. Courts do not work that way and if they do, they are FIXED. CO
Good information potlatch. Yup, it all seems to just “fit” doesn’t it? CO
You are a total plant!! CO
Thank you CO. I followed this closely during the campaign and never saw any reason for Sinclair to lie, nothing to gain by it.
I remember when he began posting here and we were all surprised. Also ‘think’ he may have been warned to take his website down at that time.
Darn, you caught me. I was planted on FR as a mole nearly 7 years ago, right after Obama announced he was running for the Senate.
This is old news, it was posted last month and discussed for days here on FR. Just sayin’
That raises the possibility that one or both of them could have been blackmailed into swearing the affidavits against Taitz.
NSS. That's why you don't bring people like them (or Lawyer Kreep, or disbarred lawyer Lincoln) into a case. Any case. Most especially, a case where their testimony is of little value. Whether or not our putative POTUS is a homosexual who smokes crack has little to do with his Birth Certificate or other documents, which are in Hawaii. Hawaii was scrupulously avoided by this legal team until ordinary citizens there began to demand that the documents be released ...ACCORDING TO HAWAIIAN LAW. The Kenyan BC adventure isn't even worth the bandwidth to discuss.
That means that 18 months of "exotic" lawsuits around the country accomplished three things
(1) Team Obama looks like a winner ... no matter what the facts of each dismissal ... and accomplished their PR goals
(2) Time was wasted when two "deadlines" loom: 2010, and 2012....time that should have been spent in Hawaii and in Washington DC
(3)The legitimacy of the very real questions about Obama's birth ... and those who ask them ... has been damaged.
Team Obama has also accomplished a major objective: They have made "Native Born" = "Natural Born," at least for the time being. In this, they have now been inexplicably supported by the Indiana Court of Appeals in a contrarian interpretation of Wong Kim Ark
Can no one simply stand up and say, "Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. tells us that the man he claims is his father, was not an American citizen? Therefore he, Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. is not a "Natural Born Citizen," as required in Article II of the Constitution of The United States."
Judge Carter, when he wasn't busy condemning Dr. Taitz, at least made clear where this issue should be taken.
Fellow Birthers, Kreep ain't working for our team, and it's now time to retire Orly. Let the actions for a Writ of Quo Warranto go forward in the District Courts of DC.
You won't like the information in #44, but it is important.
I don’t really know anything about Kreep other than a FR post that he was filing suits, never heard of him before that. What is unsuitable about him?
For starters, The Kreep believes that if Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ""Natural Born Citizen."
For finishers, Google the SOB. And by all means, talk to a judge before whom he has appeared.
I like it just fine. Orly has gone as far as she can go now and I have no intention of making excuses for her when she has done terminally stupid or illegal things.
As far as letting the case move to the district - that is a extremely unlikely. What prosecutor and judge is going to take the case? Answer - none.
It is a just and righteous pursuit but I would be shocked if the judcial system would uphold the constitution in this case. I’m not holding my breath for justice to be served when it comes to Dear Leader. He is obviously above the law.
So does Britney Spears. That's hardly a ringing endorsement.
I’m glad to see that I was not the only person who caught on to that. She basically calls the judge out, and stops just short of accusing him of slandering her with his claim in the decision that she asked supporters to contact the judge in support of the case (which is illegal and violates the Cal Rules of Professional Conduct applicable to attorneys). Yet, at least upto a few days ago, right on her website was a plea from Taitz for folks to contact the judge, which provided the courts mailing address and his office phone number!
She outright lied in black and white. She can’t blame that one on anyone but herself. I wonder if she’ll get sanctioned this time around as well, or when her bar card will get yanked?
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