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Witnesses: Obama birth lawyer told us to lie
http://totalbuzz.freedomblogging.com/2009/11/11/witnesses-obama-birth-lawyer-told-us-to-lie/ ^ | November 11th, 2009, 5:00 am | Martin Wisckol

Posted on 11/12/2009 12:36:30 PM PST by fours

A man claiming to have been Barack Obama’s homosexual lover and another claiming to have Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate say Laguna Niguel attorney Orly Taitz asked them to lie in federal court.

Taitz planned to use the two as witnesses in her effort to prove Obama was born in Kenya and is not a legitimate president. However, the case was dismissed on Oct. 29 by U.S. District Judge David O. Carter without going to trial.

In his dismissal, Carter wrote, “the Court has received several sworn affidavits that Taitz asked potential witnesses that she planned to call before this Court to perjure themselves. This Court is deeply concerned that Taitz may have suborned perjury through witnesses she intended to bring before this Court.”

... in a Nov. 9 motion that criticized Carter’s dismissal of the case, Taitz identifies Larry Sinclair and Lucas Smith as the witnesses she believes filed affidavits saying that she asked them to lie. She denies the accusations and told me she thinks Sinclair and Smith filed the affidavits in response to pressure put on them. Sinclair provided me a copy of the affidavit he said he provided to the court, and said that he mailed a copy to Taitz as well.

Smith claims to have bribed a Kenyan official in February and obtained this document, which he says is Obama’s 1961 Kenyan birth certificate. Among those calling the document a fake is World Net Daily’s Jerome Corsi ...

Among allegations made in the affidavit from Smith is that Taitz asked him to say that he was the one who obtained a document that was alleged to be a 1964 Republic of Kenya Certified Copy of Registration of Birth of Barack Hussein Obama II. That document had been called a forgery by experts and in his affidavit, Smith said his research also concluded that the document was fake.

Smith also said that after he nearly stepped in front of a car driving down the street, Taitz “wanted me to give testimony in the Honorable Judge David O. Carter’s courtroom that there had been an ‘attempt on my life’…”

Taitz told the court that Smith’s life was in danger because the Obama administration did not want the information to get out.

According to Sinclair’s affidavit, Taitz wanted Sinclair to testify in order to bolster the case that lives were in danger and the case should be expedited.

... “Orly Taitz stated, ‘Larry, I want you to testify that three members of Obama’s church were murdered.’ I interrupted Orly Taitz at this time and informed her, ‘Dr. Taitz, I told you when you contacted me in December 2008 you were spreading false claims, there was not three members of Obama’s church murdered.’” Sinclair says in the affidavit.

Sinclair also says that Taitz asked him to identify for the court a birthmark on Obama, which Sinclair said he had not in fact seen.

Taitz said she “absolutely did not” ask Smith to say the 1964 certificate came from him, and “absolutely did not” ask him to say there had been an attempt on his life. She said she talked to Sinclair about other deaths in the church but did not ask him to lie, and denied his other allegations as well.

“There was some kind of pressure on Lawrence Sinclair and Lucas Daniel Smith to stop working with me,” Taitz said.

Pressure from whom?

“I don’t know who,” she said.

Sinclair says the only pressure he felt was from Taitz and her backers.

“I had gone out of my way to not be associated with her in any way, but she continued to try and pull me and my story into her cases,” Sinclair wrote me in an email. “I have not been pressured except by the constant attacks from her and her supporters because I would not make statements that I knew to be false.”

In his affidavit, Smith repeatedly expresses frustration with Taitz’ inability to address the lawsuit effectively.

“… it began to become clearer and clearer to me that Orly Taitz had no understanding of the law,” he said. “I came to an exhaustive conclusion that Orly Taitz may be the ‘Birthers’ worst nightmare. Outside of paying attention to her own voice at length, Orly Taitz has the attention span of a small child….”

“I knew that there was nothing further that I could do to convince Orly Taitz that we should fight this case with truths and documentation rather than her campaign of fighting Obama lies with Orly lies.”

Click here to read Smith’s affidavit. Beware that there is explicit discussion of Taitz alleged sexual behavior.


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KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birther; birthers; certifigate; orly; orlytaitz; perjury; whackamole
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To: LucyT

MAO Lover Anita Dunn steps down. Her husband and Obama’s personal attorney fighting the BC lawsuits becomes White House counsel as Gregory Craig resigns.

Judge Carter has a Perkins Coie attorney where Bauer is a partner.

Somehow this does not seem right to me. Obama found a way for the American people to pay for his lies is what I think.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/13/AR2009111301138.html?hpid=topnews


51 posted on 11/13/2009 10:34:30 AM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: fours
I wonder how long it will take for Orly to be disbarred.
52 posted on 11/13/2009 10:43:20 AM PST by curiosity
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To: LucyT; Kenny Bunk; rocco55; thouworm; GOPJ; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; ...
Sounds an awful lot like Attorney Donofrio's opinions...for a VERY long time now.

And yes, the biggest question (IMO) is this:

Can someone BORN with foreign citizenship (via his foreign national father, and admitted by him on his campaign web site)...be considered a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.?

I believe, there's no doubt that the framers never intended dual (or even tri) nationals at birth to be POTUS eligible (for obvious probable "conflict of interest" reasons).

53 posted on 11/13/2009 10:56:53 AM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: LucyT

We just keep getting luckier. Obama makes sure he has one of his own at Perkins coie political law practice.

Elias Taking Helm of Perkins Coie’s Political Law Shop Veteran Senate campaign lawyer Marc Elias will replace newly appointed White House counsel Bob Bauer as chairman of the political law practice at Perkins Coie, a source familiar with the firm’s decision confirmed Friday.

http://tw0.us/4m2


54 posted on 11/13/2009 12:41:22 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: rxsid
Can someone BORN with foreign citizenship (via his foreign national father, and admitted by him on his campaign web site)...be considered a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.?

The Indiana Court of Appeals just said the answer to that question is yes.

55 posted on 11/13/2009 12:51:35 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: trumandogz
This article reads like a treatment of a Coen Brothers movie.

Frances McDormand just needs a blond wig, some crazy eyelashes and to brush up on her Russian accent.

56 posted on 11/13/2009 1:00:32 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Fred Nerks

Eggs ackley. Smith couldn’t make the dough he expected with the forgeries he tried to sell to Joe Fraha/Jerome Corsi, so he found another way to make a scam work. He may have been made wealthy by playing obammy’s game, but you can bet a tragic end is in his near future since the criminal enterprise democrats can’t afford to trust a criminal they have used when they plan to continue in power. I’m sure Sinclair will now sell lots more books with this publicity. [Watch the plane manifests of crashes over the next few months. Poor Smith will possibly just accidentally be on a nondescript flight that goes down ‘tragically due to mechanical failure’. If he refuses to fly for too long, he will likely ‘overdose’ leaving a sad ‘confession of his drug addiction and inability to deal with it any longer’.]


57 posted on 11/13/2009 1:00:32 PM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: mnehring
When is the big march on Fox News she promised supposed to take place?

It happened on Wednesday.

Looked to be Orly and about six other people.

58 posted on 11/13/2009 1:30:31 PM PST by Drew68
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To: MHGinTN

Yep. I expect something very creative...


59 posted on 11/13/2009 3:06:15 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

I don’t give a crap what one court in Indiana said. They are wrong. It’s all about divided loyalties and it is crystal clear, Barry has them, hence the reason natural born for the president and no one else.


60 posted on 11/13/2009 4:14:41 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

That’s an interesting interpretation they “took” from WKA. As we know, WKA stated someone born in the country, to alien parents was a “citizen.” They didn’t say he was a “Natural Born” citizen. Would love to see what SCOTUS has to say about that...IF it ever gets to them.


61 posted on 11/13/2009 4:18:08 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid
That’s an interesting interpretation they “took” from WKA. As we know, WKA stated someone born in the country, to alien parents was a “citizen.” They didn’t say he was a “Natural Born” citizen.

Technically, Wong Kim Ark didn't rule on whether Ark was a natural born citizen, only on whether he was a citizen; everything else in the opinion is dicta. But they do discuss Blackstone and state that, at the time of the ratification of the Constitution, "natural born citizen" was undertood to mean anyone born in the U.S. regardless of parentage.

Would love to see what SCOTUS has to say about that...IF it ever gets to them.

I doubt it will ever get to them-- they have turned down 6 or 7 eligibility cases already, without a single recorded dissent. But if it does get to them, I think they will agree with the Indiana court.

Obama's non-citizen father was hardly a secret-- he admitted it in his autobiography. But during the campaign, not one of his primary opponents claimed he was ineligible; McCain and Palin didn't say he was ineligible; not one conservative lawyer ever wrote an op-ed piece saying he was ineligible; no member of the elctoral college said he was ineligible; not one member of Congress objected to the certification of the electoral votes; and Chief Justice Roberts swore him in. The Supreme Court is not going to find him ineligible now.

62 posted on 11/13/2009 4:34:06 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Did WKA declare the child born in country to foreign parents a Natural Born Citizen?


63 posted on 11/13/2009 4:40:12 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid
Wong Kim Ark has a long discussion about what the words "natural born" meant in English common law, and then said:

"It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

"The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established."

64 posted on 11/13/2009 4:47:45 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

In other words (& in short)...WKA did NOT find him a Natural Born Citizen (& you know it).


65 posted on 11/13/2009 5:31:58 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Domandred

Where can I find a record of really how much Obama has spent? Someone keeps using this as an argument..implying that we are lying...where do I find the proof?


66 posted on 11/13/2009 5:55:27 PM PST by Hildy
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To: proud2beconservativeinNJ

Sinclair sounds so “innocent” like he was dragged to California. If he was so eager to stay clear of Orly, why then did he go to “work” with her in the first place, money???


67 posted on 11/14/2009 4:57:09 AM PST by danamco
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To: patriot08
Don't believe a word of it. The Obama thugs got to them.

Yep!!!

68 posted on 11/14/2009 5:35:20 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: fours
I have been closely following on an almost daily basis the on-line activities of Lucas Smith, aka colmado_naranja since his original ebay auction last June. He maintains an active YouTube channel under the name, InspectorSmith, which is linked below.

http://www.youtube.com/user/InspectorSmith

He posted repeatedly on the above referenced website, in an informal manner, about his dissatisfaction with Orly's performance well before he submitted his formal declaration regarding her to Judge Carter. I believe he gave the matter a lot of serious consideration before submitting his declaration.

Lucas and Orly were not able to work together and there was no mutual respect between them, as can easily be seen from his declaration. I believe Lucas was afraid that Orly would not allow him to testify in court regarding the CPGH Kenyan Birth Certificate because of her animosity towards him. He desperately wishes his document to be accepted as authentic for reasons I believe are based on financial (initial) and patriotic (more so in recent months) considerations.

I don't think any of Obama's thugs have gotten to Lucas yet.

I do fear for his safety!

69 posted on 11/14/2009 7:17:06 AM PST by WhizCodger (Katie - Bar the door, then text my reply of "F U" to the NWO!)
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To: rxsid
In other words (& in short)...WKA did NOT find him a Natural Born Citizen (& you know it).

You're acting like I'm trying to hide that point. I said, back in post #92, that, "technically, Wong Kim Ark didn't rule on whether Ark was a natural born citizen, only on whether he was a citizen; everything else in the opinion is dicta."

There is, I believe, no single case in any American court (until this week's Indiana case) that ever directly litigated whether someone was a Natural Born Citizen for purposes of being eligible to the presidency. But the fact remains that Wong Kim Ark has a long discussion of this issue, and states (in dicta, of course) that anyone born on U.S. soil is a a natural born citizen, even if both their parents are aliens.

70 posted on 11/14/2009 3:04:17 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: PaultheMan
Yet, at least upto a few days ago, right on her website was a plea from Taitz for folks to contact the judge, which provided the courts mailing address and his office phone number!

Do you have a screen shot of that???

71 posted on 11/14/2009 3:06:39 PM PST by danamco
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To: LucyT

I think so too, and with these two guys you always have to “follow the money”, hmmmm...hmmmm...hmmmm!!!


72 posted on 11/14/2009 3:09:59 PM PST by danamco
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To: wintertime

Including the other two branches!!!


73 posted on 11/14/2009 3:11:22 PM PST by danamco
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To: Brown Deer

I did NOT see any signature, hmmmm...hmmmm...hmmmm!!!


74 posted on 11/14/2009 3:13:30 PM PST by danamco
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To: Tatze

Are you able to produce any better attorney for this political scam???


75 posted on 11/14/2009 3:15:07 PM PST by danamco
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To: pissant

Larry Sinclair bump.


76 posted on 11/14/2009 3:17:41 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: danamco

So what’s your point?


77 posted on 11/14/2009 3:24:32 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Raycpa

Do you think it is a nut to uphold and defend the Constitution???


78 posted on 11/14/2009 4:11:17 PM PST by danamco
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To: justiceseeker93

And,...just follow the money!!!


79 posted on 11/14/2009 4:15:02 PM PST by danamco
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To: Brown Deer

A signature is the point!!!


80 posted on 11/14/2009 4:39:54 PM PST by danamco
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To: Lurking Libertarian

For the Indiana court to accept the dicta over the actual holding was very bold of them. Their “holding”, IMO, will be challenged in the future.


81 posted on 11/14/2009 4:51:54 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: DallasDeb

Apparently so. He’s either a believable witness and Zero is, in fact, homo or bisexual, or he’s lying about everything.

Lefties can’t have it ‘both ways’. Yet still they try.


82 posted on 11/14/2009 5:08:21 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: danamco

We don’t need nuts to uphold the constitution. It does fine all bu itself.


83 posted on 11/14/2009 5:24:08 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: danamco

So what does a signature have to do with anything?


84 posted on 11/14/2009 6:34:51 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: mojitojoe

Isn’t his behavior regarding Fort Hood and, now, bringing a terrorist to NYC for a **civilian** trial proof enough? I think so.

The Founding Fathers were wise to put in that requirement that our president and Commander in Chief be a natural born citizen. We, today, would be wise to abide by it.


85 posted on 11/14/2009 7:30:06 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Raycpa

Really, you must live in a dream world, hmmmm...hmmmm...hmmmm!!!


86 posted on 11/15/2009 5:47:08 AM PST by danamco
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To: danamco

Still wondering what your point about the signature was, hmmmm...hmmmm...hmmmm!!!


87 posted on 11/15/2009 10:28:34 AM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: danamco
Are you able to produce any better attorney for this political scam???

Why would I? The real question is, are you? Because if Taitz is the best you've got, then you've got nothing.

88 posted on 11/15/2009 11:40:44 AM PST by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: Tatze

The Supreme Court of the United States has refused to rule on any of the 7 lawsuits that have reached them concerning Obama’s eligibility. The cases are Berg v Obama, Craig v US, Donofrio v Wells, Herbert v Obama et al., Lightfoot v Bowen, Schneller v Cortes and Wrotnowski v Bysiewicz.

Since it only takes four of the nine justices (”the rule of four”) to “grant cert” and agree to hear a lawsuit before the full court, its obvious that even the traditionalists/strick consructionists/conservatives on the court: Alito, Kennedy, Roberts, Scalia and/or Thomas have not been persuaded to take on this issue.


89 posted on 11/15/2009 12:16:20 PM PST by jamese777
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To: rxsid
For the Indiana court to accept the dicta over the actual holding was very bold of them.

They didn't reject the holding-- nothing they did conflicts with the holding of any SCOTUS decision. They did follow the Supreme Court's dictum, which is generally what lower courts do when there is no binding precedent on point. Not terribly bold of them.

Their “holding”, IMO, will be challenged in the future.

I'm sure it will be challenged in the future, but I strongly doubt it will be rejected by any court.

90 posted on 11/15/2009 12:26:44 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: rxsid
For the Indiana court to accept the dicta over the actual holding was very bold of them.

They didn't reject the holding-- nothing they did conflicts with the holding of any SCOTUS decision. They did follow the Supreme Court's dictum, which is generally what lower courts do when there is no binding precedent on point. Not terribly bold of them.

Their “holding”, IMO, will be challenged in the future.

I'm sure it will be challenged in the future, but I strongly doubt it will be rejected by any court.

91 posted on 11/15/2009 12:26:56 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Hildy

“Where can I find a record of really how much Obama has spent? Someone keeps using this as an argument..implying that we are lying...where do I find the proof?”

I asked that question for months. The amount spent is goes up and down and there is never a source. I did read somewhere that Obama campaign funds were used prior to the election and the DOJ defends a sitting president at taxpayer expense. So, perhaps Obama has not spent a cent defending himself.


92 posted on 11/15/2009 5:34:46 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (TIME Person Of The Year, 2006 (Look it up!).)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
"They didn't reject the holding-- nothing they did conflicts with the holding of any SCOTUS decision."

And "determining" that a child born to an alien parent is in fact a "Natural Born Citizen" came from what SCOTUS holding?

93 posted on 11/16/2009 12:20:58 AM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Tatze; LucyT
Why would I? The real question is, are you? Because if Taitz is the best you've got, then you've got nothing.

Apparently the real issue, the CONSTITUTION, is NOT important to you???

So like the usurper's ilks and like-minded "workers" here on F.R. it is more important to kill the messenger that the real message, and then spending a fortune of your tax dollars to cover up this political take-over or coup makes a lots of sense? BHO, hmmmm...hmmmm...hmmmm!!!

94 posted on 11/16/2009 7:29:44 AM PST by danamco
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To: rxsid
And "determining" that a child born to an alien parent is in fact a "Natural Born Citizen" came from what SCOTUS holding?

As I've said several times, there is no SCOTUS holding either way, but there is a strong, well-considered dictum, supported by much historical eveidence, that a child born on U.S. soil to two alien parents is a natural born citizen, and the Indiana court followed that-- which is what any court would do.

95 posted on 11/16/2009 10:19:04 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: danamco

Seriously, what do you have?? Not much. You don’t have the supposed smoking gun birth certificate. You have a rather dubious Constitutional interpretation of “Natural Born”. And you have a pathetically inept lawyer.

I wish you had the smoking gun to save the country from this nightmare, but I tend to deal in truth and provable facts, of which, on this issue, you are in short supply.


96 posted on 11/16/2009 10:32:20 AM PST by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: danamco
In typical obamnoid style, the poster trying to bait you has left out the fraudulent exhibits Barry placed on the INternet to deceive we the people, left out the list of social security numbers in Barry's name, left out the facts surrounding the army sent around the world to destroy or sequester all data in Barry's history, left out the suspiciously missing documents from Barry's educational history, left out the material related to Barry's legal names, Lolo's adoption of him and Indonesian citizenship, and left out the real possibilities related to Barry using his Indonesian citizenship to game the entry and tuition factors for Occidental College and a passport to travel on Indonesian citizenship while in college.

Deceit is the only way Barry's kneepad sycophancy can cover for their obamessiah. If you contineu to exchange posts with obamanoids, they will repeat the same lies they've used, deceive readers int he same ways, and ridicule Barry's opposition. Some of these scum have even admitted that this kneepadding they engage in is a primary source of amusement for them. Think of how twisted that is!

97 posted on 11/16/2009 10:46:00 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: SaxxonWoods; Hildy
“I did read somewhere that Obama campaign funds were used prior to the election and the DOJ defends a sitting president at taxpayer expense. So, perhaps Obama has not spent a cent defending himself.”

That is my understanding as well. His campaign paid 1.7 million to Perkins & Cole for a variety of legal services during the campaign, among those services was legal advice and defense for eligibility lawsuits, IIRC. Now as President, the taxpayers pick up the check via the DOJ.

The 1.7 million figure is solid, I understand. But it is for a variety of legal services and not all directed towards “hiding the birth certificate” as some try to characterize it. I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't some ‘wink-wink, nudge-nudge’ over-billing as it was campaign cash and not a dime out of BHO’s pocket.

98 posted on 11/16/2009 11:34:49 AM PST by El Sordo
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To: MHGinTN

Tatze isn’t baiting anyone...I’ve gotten similar treatment.

While there are some possible eligibility issues, re: his Indonesian residence and whether he held/holds “dual citizenship” - the birth certificate thing in and of itself is a ridiculous wild goose chase.

Where we really need to focus, IMHO, is on his involvement with the election side of ACORN.


99 posted on 11/16/2009 11:45:46 AM PST by RockinRight (The sleeping giant has been awoken, and he's PISSED.)
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To: MHGinTN

I meant I’ve gotten similar treatment when I’ve suggested that the “birthers” make the conservative movement look bad.


100 posted on 11/16/2009 11:46:21 AM PST by RockinRight (The sleeping giant has been awoken, and he's PISSED.)
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