Halal meals come to homebound Muslims in Michigan - Halal Meals on Wheels

etaiwannews ^ | 2010-02-20

[JoeProBono]

Social services groups in one of the largest U.S. Muslim communities now have started offering home-delivered meals made according to Islamic law. The Halal Meals on Wheels program _ the first in the country to work with a national halal food distributor _ comes after years of efforts by nonprofit agencies serving Detroit-area senior citizens and Muslim- and Arab-Americans....

[GL of Sector 2814]

and I happen to champion the First Amendment.

And yet you're calling for the banning of a call to prayer...

[Mengerian]

It’s not akin to aural bell sounds! It’s human speech broadcast over loudspeakers throughout a municipality.

With your logic, every religious denomination (or any group/organiztion) would be permitted and entitled to place permanent public address loudspeakers in the city to broadcast various protestant, Jewish, Catholic, Buddhist, Sikh, etc. prayers, sermons, chants (ALL SPOKEN WORDS-not bells) on a daily basis.

It would be a fever-pitch cacaphony of competing loudspeakers of who could outdo the other. It would be a matter of disturbing the peace. By the city permitting the SPOKEN WORDS of prayer call, it’s a de-facto promotion and endorsement of religion, no longer a First Amendment matter.

I’m fine with prayer calls of HUMAN SPEECH confined to their realm / Mosque - never said I was against that.

[Munson]

I would rather see KFC franchises also going Kosher so you would have a choice in how you would like your chicken. I bet most Christians would enjoy Kosher chicken better.

[JoeProBono]

[GL of Sector 2814]

It would be a fever-pitch cacaphony of competing loudspeakers of who could outdo the other. It would be a matter of disturbing the peace. By the city permitting the SPOKEN WORDS of prayer call, it’s a de-facto promotion and endorsement of religion, no longer a First Amendment matter.

If the calls to prayer are of the same (approximate) duration and decibel level as the bells, it's not "fever-pitch cacaphony".

[Mengerian]

It would be “fever-pitch cacaphony,” per your logic of allowing anyone and every religious denomination a loudspeaker to proselytize because it’s protected by the First Amendment. ...and a de-facto promotion of religion by the municipality by way of SPOKEN WORDS through the loudspeakers.

Every club, church, civic organization, etc. would be permitted and entitled to have a loudspeaker and blare it throughout the day. Good times.

[GL of Sector 2814]

Every club, church, civic organization, etc. would be permitted and entitled to have a loudspeaker and blare it throughout the day.

Did you miss the part where I predicated my approval upon the duration of the calls being the same as that of the bells?

[Mengerian]

But they could all be simultaneous or in unison. Duration, equal or not, does not negate the fact that one is HUMAN SPEECH, the other, a blend of SEVEN MUSICAL NOTES.

And if one religious practice disctates a longer duration, what if others seek parity in time by broadcasting even more prayer / proselytizong over their respective loudspeakers?

It’s just not that hard to discern between bells and human speech. Bells just do not equal human speech.

[GL of Sector 2814]

But they could all be simultaneous or in unison. Duration, equal or not, does not negate the fact that one is HUMAN SPEECH, the other, a blend of SEVEN MUSICAL NOTES. Bells just do not equal human speech.

There's no need to yell.

I understand that they're not identical, and yet they both manage to fit into the category of "religious expression".

I suspect your argument might have something to do with your view of Islam in general; I base this on your descriptions of the calls to prayer in this thread: "caterwauling / screaming", "screaching out spoken words", "wailing / caterwauling diatribe", etc. If I'm mistaken, I apologize in advance for the mischaracterization.

Enough for now, have to get to bed; I have to get up for work in 7 hours!

[Allegra]

The Muslimes (through lawsuits) actually got a downriver city (of Detroit) to broadcast those caterwauling / screaming prayer calls throughout the day. They argued that if Christian church bells ringing is permitted, their prayer calls should be blared throughout the city.

Ugh! One of my Top Ten reasons I love to be home is that I don't have to hear that sound.

[Mengerian]

Animal sacrifice fits into the realm of “religious expression” too. BTW, have you ever heard the prayer calls five times a day? I think to say they saound like caterwauling is a kind characterization.

I’m starting the tax-exempt Church of the SDWS (Steely Dan Worship Society). We will broadcast, via loudspeaker across the municiplaities, routine play of the following tracks, to praise the inimitable Donald Fagen:

1. Babylon Sisters
2. Hey Nineteen
3. Black Cow
4. Gaucho

[Mengerian]

It’s an abysmal sound of the worst order.

It’s slowly entrenching itself into American cities, too.

[LukeL]

Church bells chime the Westminister tone on the hour, it is a clock and nothing more.

[GL of Sector 2814]

Animal sacrifice fits into the realm of “religious expression” too.

And it's perfectly legal in the United States under some circumstances.

BTW, have you ever heard the prayer calls five times a day? I think to say they saound like caterwauling is a kind characterization.

Never have; there aren't a lot of mosques in the mountains west of Denver...

I’m starting the tax-exempt Church of the SDWS (Steely Dan Worship Society). We will broadcast, via loudspeaker across the municiplaities, routine play of the following tracks, to praise the inimitable Donald Fagen:

1. Babylon Sisters
2. Hey Nineteen
3. Black Cow
4. Gaucho

I see your SDWS and raise you the HWS (Heart Worship Society), praising Ann and Nancy Wilson with following:

1. Magic Man
2. Dreamboat Annie
3. Crazy on You
4. Barracuda

We are a bit nondenominational at times, and will play Pat Benatar as well...

[FrankR]

"Wow. Musical bells = human speech? Human speech is not remotely close to the sound of bells; but hey, that's just me."

I would say this; the sound of the bells is their natural sound, whereas the sound of "amplified" voices is NOT the natural sound, it is amplified.

Therefore my conclusion would be, let the mussies catterwal all they want, just in their natural voices, NO AMPLIFICATION. And then the bells would be rung in their "natural voicing", no amplification.

America is NOT a muslim country, no matter what our kenyan president says; we are a Christian nation. And, anyone who is neither muslim nor Christian should not have any opinion about it...it doesn't concern them.

Try going to Iran and demanding that Christian church bells be rung...and they will be ringing at your headless funeral.

This ruling has ACLU written all over it...the most un-American institution ever devised.

[GL of Sector 2814]

America is NOT a muslim country, no matter what our kenyan president says; we are a Christian nation.

"As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion… The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation." - Treaty of Tripoli (1797), approved of unanimously by the U.S. Senate under George Washington’s presidency, signed into law the next year by President John Adams.

[FrankR]

Buzz off troll...go back to DU with your atheist friends.

[GL of Sector 2814]

Buzz off troll...go back to DU with your atheist friends.

Well, I suppose it's easier to say that than to actually address my point.

BTW, what's wrong with being an atheist? Are you offended by people who don't share your faith?