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Building an AR-15...Advice?
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Posted on 03/01/2010 5:19:20 PM PST by Chasaway

I want to build an AR-15 from scratch....

I [obviously] want to make it mine...and as least expensively as possible.

The web is full of info on this, but I've always gotten great advice from this forum..


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So this is what I'm up to and what I'd like to get:

I want to build an AR-15 from the ground up.

I want to get the lower receiver somewhere where the FFL isn't required.

I want the most accurate one I can build...factoring in "value" [meaning least expensive for the results].

I already know I can get stuff cheap and not have a very dependable rifle.

I want to split the difference. I don't need an elite rifle. I don't need it to be the best I can possibly build.

I want a rifle that is dependable and accurate, but built as "cheaply" as I can do it.

Guns is fun! Building one ought to be TONS of fun!

Is there anyone on FreeRepublic that has an opinion about this?

Is there anyone on FreeRepublic that can give me any advice?

[Those last two questions were for my own amusement...:)]

1 posted on 03/01/2010 5:19:20 PM PST by Chasaway
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To: Chasaway

Check out AR15.com


2 posted on 03/01/2010 5:22:54 PM PST by WackySam (To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.)
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To: Chasaway
"I want to get the lower receiver somewhere where the FFL isn't required."

This is the only part you need the FFL for, but you do have to ether get it through or have it shipped to one. Otherwise you are violating the law.
3 posted on 03/01/2010 5:24:42 PM PST by JoSixChip (HOPE = Have Obumber Prove Eligibility)
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To: Chasaway
"...I want to get the lower receiver somewhere where the FFL isn't required..."

Ain't gonna happen, pal. That's go to jail stuff.

4 posted on 03/01/2010 5:25:23 PM PST by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!)
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To: Chasaway

http://buildyourownar15.com/


5 posted on 03/01/2010 5:25:50 PM PST by GSP.FAN (These are the times that try men's souls.)
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To: Chasaway

Be careful of your barrel length and twist ratio with the rifling in the barrel.

Since you are looking to go as least expensive as possible, I’d just buy a ‘whole gun’. There are several great manufacturers out there, and if you get one new, you’ll have a warranty. That means if there’s a problem, you’ll have someone to address your issues other than a mirror.


6 posted on 03/01/2010 5:25:50 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Chasaway

If you have never put together an AR15, spend the extra $200 and buy a complete Rock River (or some other good entry brand). It can be dangerous doing a technical build like that without the training. Especially installing the barrel and gas system. Buying the required tools wil cost you near $200 or so anyway.

If you know what you’re doing, go to www.midwayusa.com or www.brownells.com and get your parts from them.

Enjoy.


7 posted on 03/01/2010 5:25:51 PM PST by Pavegunner72
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To: JoSixChip

But can’t you buy one from a private owner without the FFL requirement?

If so, where would be the best place to start looking?


8 posted on 03/01/2010 5:26:13 PM PST by Chasaway (Tonto: "What do you mean "We", White Man?")
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To: JoSixChip

It will also probably be the most expensive part to purchase, for obvious reasons. You probably won’t be buying a super-expensive barrel.


9 posted on 03/01/2010 5:26:27 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Chasaway; WackySam

Yep as said AR15.com walkthroughs, pictures, options, etc

http://www.ar15.com/content/index.html#guides


10 posted on 03/01/2010 5:26:48 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: Chasaway

BCM 16 midlength upper group from bravocompanyusa.com, and read AR15.com
Lots of good stores sell stripped lowers.


11 posted on 03/01/2010 5:26:54 PM PST by omega4179 (jdforsenate.com hunt some rinos 2010)
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To: Chasaway
I want to get the lower receiver somewhere where the FFL isn't required.

May one of the cops here will let your surrender to him .

12 posted on 03/01/2010 5:27:19 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: conservativeharleyguy
"Ain't gonna happen, pal. That's go to jail stuff."

Unless purchased during a 'private sale'(consult state laws) from a non-FFL.

13 posted on 03/01/2010 5:27:25 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Chasaway

I can’t speak for every state, but in Colorado even a private transaction requires a instacheck.


14 posted on 03/01/2010 5:29:38 PM PST by JoSixChip (HOPE = Have Obumber Prove Eligibility)
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To: Chasaway

Buying from a private party is probably going to be more expensive than getting a gun through a store. People pay premium to not have such records existing. Also if there is a problem with it, no warranty, no help getting it fixed.


15 posted on 03/01/2010 5:29:41 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Chasaway

“I want to get the lower receiver somewhere where the FFL isn’t required.”

Where is it that you think you’ll be doing your time?


16 posted on 03/01/2010 5:29:57 PM PST by Gator113 (Obama is America's First FAILED "light skinned African American [Pres-ent] with no Negro dialect..")
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To: KoRn

That’s what I understood...Isn’t it just like buying a gun from a private seller?

Texas...


17 posted on 03/01/2010 5:30:00 PM PST by Chasaway (Tonto: "What do you mean "We", White Man?")
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To: Chasaway

The only way you’re going to get a lower without a FFL requirement is a private party sale of an existing rifle.

Because the AR-15 lower can be built into a pistol or rifle, the BATF requires new, finished lowers to go through an FFL. The only way around this is to obtain a lower receiver forging that requires machining (ie, it requires more than mere installation of pins, springs, screws, etc - it would need to be finished on a mill, the pin holes drilled out and bushed, etc.)

Lowers that are finished (ie, all the machining has been done) but are lacking the lower parts kits can be had for anywhere from about $80 up to about $130, depending on the quality and various features.

After that, you need to be a tad more specific as to your application and budget for me to give you any more pointers. Completing a lower is a pretty well price-constrained thing - if you get a fully machined lower and put in your own parts kit, you’re probably into it for $150 or thereabouts. Once we start talking of the upper, the barrel, furniture, etc - the options explode and prices start varying widely.


18 posted on 03/01/2010 5:30:10 PM PST by NVDave
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To: WackySam
Check out AR15.com

Excellent advice.

That's where I found the info and direction to build the perfect AR10 for me.

19 posted on 03/01/2010 5:32:06 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I paid $85 each plus $10 FFL fee for my lowers last year. Good quality LMT. Now the completed upper cost me over $600.


20 posted on 03/01/2010 5:32:20 PM PST by JoSixChip (HOPE = Have Obumber Prove Eligibility)
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To: omega4179
BCM 16 midlength upper group

x2 on a Spike's Tactical lower.
21 posted on 03/01/2010 5:35:18 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: conservativeharleyguy

Alright...now I’m confused.

If I buy a lower from a private owner, are you saying that’s illegal too?

I thought that any of this bought privately (meaning not through a dealer) could legally be bought without the FFL requirement.

Am I misinformed?


22 posted on 03/01/2010 5:36:31 PM PST by Chasaway (Tonto: "What do you mean "We", White Man?")
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To: Chasaway

You have the right to remain silent.

Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.

You have the right to an attorney.

If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you.

There, at least we have that covered. Now, what was the question?


23 posted on 03/01/2010 5:37:02 PM PST by Gator113 (Obama is America's First FAILED "light skinned African American [Pres-ent] with no Negro dialect..")
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To: Secret Agent Man

It is worth a premium to a private individual to not have the papers on it. Never buy from a dealer if you can buy it privately face to face.


24 posted on 03/01/2010 5:37:32 PM PST by Concho
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To: Chasaway

25 posted on 03/01/2010 5:38:29 PM PST by gitmo (FR vs DTU: n4mage vs DUmage)
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To: Gator113
"...Where is it that you think you’ll be doing your time?..."

What does that mean? Does that mean that you think one can't buy a lower from a private buyer, not do the FFL thing...and it's STILL illegal?

If that's so, I need to re-calibrate my thinking....

26 posted on 03/01/2010 5:39:27 PM PST by Chasaway (Tonto: "What do you mean "We", White Man?")
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To: Chasaway

Depends on your state. In this state, if I go to a dealer I have to jump thru the hoops with the paper work, if I can find a private individual who happens to have what I need, then it is simply between them and I. There is no obligation to let the Gestapo into my business when dealing privately.


27 posted on 03/01/2010 5:39:51 PM PST by Concho
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To: Gator113

And while we are at it, can any gunsmiths out there tell me how to make in a full auto?

//sarcasm off


28 posted on 03/01/2010 5:40:28 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I do not live in Vermont. I did for four years and that was plenty.)
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To: NVDave

I believe finishing an unfinished lower is a federal crime. You must apply for a serial number and wait for permission to proceed...iirc.


29 posted on 03/01/2010 5:42:02 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Vermont Lt

Just google it, ya dont have to go to a gunsmith...... :)


30 posted on 03/01/2010 5:42:06 PM PST by Concho
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To: Concho

If they come for the guns, they have to get into the safe. Since I will be dead on the front porch, they will have to take the whole thing. Not too worried about that.


31 posted on 03/01/2010 5:42:20 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I do not live in Vermont. I did for four years and that was plenty.)
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To: Concho

Okay...that fits with what I understand.

I’ve got a couple of folks down here in Texas who have some of the parts. I was just looking for a little advice on the best way to build one.

Didn’t know I would wind up on the “crazy side of the rope” for people on FR.


32 posted on 03/01/2010 5:42:47 PM PST by Chasaway (Tonto: "What do you mean "We", White Man?")
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To: Concho

I would say be very careful to follow the laws. They take firearm laws very seriously and any violation would most likely result in a loss of your second amendment rights for life.


33 posted on 03/01/2010 5:42:52 PM PST by JoSixChip (HOPE = Have Obumber Prove Eligibility)
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To: Concho

I would just end up screwing the whole thing up.

I am pretty good at controlled fire as it is. And I am too old to run away.


34 posted on 03/01/2010 5:43:13 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I do not live in Vermont. I did for four years and that was plenty.)
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To: Chasaway

you can legally buy a lower from a private seller any time you want so long as both of you live in the same state. These people don’t know jack.


35 posted on 03/01/2010 5:43:31 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Vermont Lt

Damn right, and I would say that that is the opinion of about 200 million well armed patriots right now.


36 posted on 03/01/2010 5:43:31 PM PST by Concho
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To: JoSixChip
I can’t speak for every state, but in Colorado even a private transaction requires a instacheck

Scratch Colorado from my retirement list............

In Alabama, are you 18 with a state DL? your good for long guns... 21 for pistols.

37 posted on 03/01/2010 5:45:51 PM PST by MrPiper
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To: Chasaway

Partner, if I were you, I would either look up the federal law and the laws for your area or head down to a gun dealer and have him walk you through the laws... you don’t want to screw this up.

As for a firearm choice... I love my Rock River... it wasn’t cheap, but I trust it.

Good luck with your shopping... I hope you like what you get...


38 posted on 03/01/2010 5:46:23 PM PST by Gator113 (Obama is America's First FAILED "light skinned African American [Pres-ent] with no Negro dialect..")
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To: mamelukesabre
"you can legally buy a lower from a private seller any time you want so long as both of you live in the same state. These people don’t know jack."

Jack who? Your statement is not true in Colorado, just goggle it.
39 posted on 03/01/2010 5:47:03 PM PST by JoSixChip (HOPE = Have Obumber Prove Eligibility)
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To: JoSixChip

Okay...

I need a little help here. (For clarity, I’m in Texas).

I understand that the lower is the part of the gun that needs to be “FFL-ed” if bought through a dealer.

I also understand that if I buy a pistol or a rifle or any other gun in a private sale, there is no requirement for any FFL involvement.

Can someone explain to me the difference between buying a pistol in a private sale and buying the lower receiver for an AR-15 in a private sale?

Thanks.


40 posted on 03/01/2010 5:48:43 PM PST by Chasaway (Tonto: "What do you mean "We", White Man?")
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To: mamelukesabre

That’s what I understand...

Some of these comments are...unsettling.

I don’t get the dif between buying a gun from a private dealer and buying the lower from a private dealer.


41 posted on 03/01/2010 5:50:17 PM PST by Chasaway (Tonto: "What do you mean "We", White Man?")
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To: mamelukesabre

Finishing an unfinished (ie, less than “80% finished”) lower is like building your own firearm: you can do as many as you like, but you may not sell them without affixing a serial number to them. In some states, you’ll need a FFL to sell a firearm you’ve made. If you’re not selling or transferring a firearm you’ve made, the BATF is OK with you making your own guns from the ground up. That’s where the “unfinished lower” exception comes in. To the BATF, a compliant “unfinished lower” needs a lot more than a few holes drilled. You’re going to need a Bridgeport, a bunch of end mills, drills, setup blocks, etc.

For my money, if I were finishing an “unfinished” lower, I probably would not bother with someone’s forging - I’d just get a billet of 7075-T6 and mill it from start to finish. The hardest part of the whole business is the mag well, which you can either mill very carefully or (the better way) use a wire EDM.


42 posted on 03/01/2010 5:50:18 PM PST by NVDave
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To: Chasaway

None. No difference. You are clear to proceed.


43 posted on 03/01/2010 5:50:23 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Chasaway

I can’t speak for Texas as I don’t know the gun laws there. But I do know that I have a relative in Houston that can not buy a firearm due to a DUI conviction. Just going by that I would think that Texas has pretty strict gun laws.


44 posted on 03/01/2010 5:51:25 PM PST by JoSixChip (HOPE = Have Obumber Prove Eligibility)
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To: Chasaway

As soon as you use the words “private dealer” - you’re sending us into the weeds.

A dealer is someone who is licensed by the BATF.

A private individual is someone who is not a dealer.

A “private dealer” is an oxymoron.

Are you talking of buying this lower from a private individual or a dealer?


45 posted on 03/01/2010 5:53:41 PM PST by NVDave
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To: NVDave

A striped lower AR 15 receiver has all the serial numbers you need for a gun. If you legally own a lower receiver, you legally own the gun, period. I don’t know much but I know that from experience.


46 posted on 03/01/2010 5:54:22 PM PST by JoSixChip (HOPE = Have Obumber Prove Eligibility)
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To: Chasaway

HOWEVER, there is one little catch.

If you buy a second hand stripped lower from a private party, you have no idea if it was FFL’d as a pistol or a rifle. If it was sold as a pistol reciever, you may build it into a rifle OR a pistol. But if it was sold as a rifle receiver and you build it into a pistol...OH YOU ARE IN TROUBLE. (depending on the state). I live in iowa. If you buy a stripped lower that was originally sold as a rifle stripped lower and you attach a short barrel to it, you just broke a federal law. You just built a “short barrel rifle” and that is a federal offense.


47 posted on 03/01/2010 5:55:15 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: NVDave

Right...you’re correct.

I’m talking about an individual who sells guns, parts, whatever...Selling whatever he sells out of his own personal collection...or whatever.

But he’s not a gun “dealer”. He’s not a licensed BATF “dealer”.

Sorry for the confusion.


48 posted on 03/01/2010 5:55:57 PM PST by Chasaway (Tonto: "What do you mean "We", White Man?")
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To: JoSixChip

Yes, a stipped, completed lower has the serial numbers affixed.

A “80% or less” finished receiver will not have the numbers on it. You have the option of putting the numbers on when you finish it.


49 posted on 03/01/2010 5:56:00 PM PST by NVDave
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To: NVDave
"A “80% or less” finished receiver will not have the numbers on it. You have the option of putting the numbers on when you finish it."

Seems like you would need some pretty expensive machines to complete one. If you are willing to go through all that to own a gun, I suspect you have a reason to want to keep it on the down low. Other then privacy.
50 posted on 03/01/2010 5:59:05 PM PST by JoSixChip (HOPE = Have Obumber Prove Eligibility)
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