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Climategate: The Final Straw ( But Phil Jones makes it hard to defend him anymore)
Wattsupwiththat.com ^ | March 2, 2010 | Steven Mosher

Posted on 03/02/2010 2:38:17 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

In Climategate: The Crutape letters we tried to avoid accusing Professor Jones of CRU and UEA of outright fraud. Instead, based on the record found in the emails, we argued a case of noble cause corruption. I enlarged upon that charge at Pajama’s Media . Commenters took me to task for being too soft on Jones. Based on the extant text at that time I would still hold to my case. No skeptic could change my mind. But Phil Jones makes it hard to defend him anymore. On March 1st he testified before Parliament and there he argued that it was standard scientific practice to not share data.  Those who still insist on being generous with him could, I suppose, argue that he has no recollection, but in my mind he is playing with the truth and knows he is playing with the truth.

In 2002 Steve McIntyre had no publications in climate science. He wrote to Jones requesting temperature data. The history of their exchange is detailed in this Climate Audit Post. Jones sent data to McIntyre along with the following mail:

Dear Steve,

Attached are the two similar files [normup6190, cruwld.dat] to those I sent before which should be for the 1994 version. This is still the current version until the paper appears for the new one. As before the stations with normal values do not get used.

I’ll bear your comments in mind when possibly releasing the station data for the new version (comments wrt annual temperatures as well as the monthly). One problem with this is then deciding how many months are needed to constitute an annual average. With monthly data I can use even one value for a station in a year (for the month concerned), but for annual data I would have to decide on something like 8-11 months being needed for an annual average. With fewer than 12 I then have to decide what to insert for missing data. Problem also applies to the grid box dataset but is slightly less of an issue. I say possibly releasing above, as I don’t want to run into the issues that GHCN have come across with some European countries objecting to data being freely available. I would like to see more countries make their data freely available (and although these monthly averages should be according to GCOS rules for GAA-operational Met. Service.

Cheers

Phil Jones

We should note these things: Jones sent data. That was his practice. Jones is aware of the problems in releasing this data. Jones believes that these monthly averages should be released according to GCOS [WMO resolution 40] rules. In 2002 his practice is to release data to a total unknown with no history of publication. And Jones releases the data to him knowing that there are issues around releasing that data.

In 2004 Warwick Hughes exchanges a series of mails with Jones. In 2000 Jones appears to have a cooperative relationship with Hughes.  In 2004 the record shows the following

Dear Jean Palutikof, Dr P.D. Jones,

I was just reading your web page at; http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/ and wish to access the station by station temperature data, updated through 2001 referred to on your CRU web page; http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/#datdow as

“Over land regions of the world over 3000 monthly station temperature time series are used.” Where can I download the latest station by station data which is a foundation of Dr Jones et al published papers ? Note, I am not asking about the CRU gridded data which I can see on your web site. Looking forward to your help,

Best wishes,

Warwick Hughes

Warwick,

The station data are not on the CRU web site. If you look at the GHCN page at NCDC, you’ll see they have stopped access and cited WMO Res. 40 for this. To my mind this resolution is supposed to make access free. However, it was hinted at to me a year or two ago that I should also not make the station data available.

The gridded data are there as you know.

I would suggest you take this up with WMO and/or GCOS. I have raised it several times with them and got nowhere.

Cheers

Phil

As Jones points out he believes that WMO Resolution 40 should make access free. Jones also says that he himself has taken up this issue with them. One can presume he took it up because he wanted to give access to data. Further, he knows that there may be agreements that preclude release of the data.

The start of 2005 is a critical point in the story line. Jones had cordial exchanges with Hughes in 2000. Jones shared data with McIntyre in 2002 and in 2004 Jones believed that the data should be shared. In 2005 he has been transformed. In January of 2005, McIntyre published a paper (MM05) critical of Mann. As luck would have it at this time former CRU employee Wigley sent an email to Jones about a flyer he has received that discusses FOIA. At this stage no FOIA have been sent to CRU. But Wigley and Jones are concerned about skeptics.  What ever willingness Jones had to share data is gone. Again, Jones shows a clear understanding of the existence of agreements:

Data is covered by all the agreements we sign with people, so I will be hiding behind them. I’ll be passing any requests onto the person at UEA who has been given a post to deal with them.

At the start of Feb 2005, Jones’ attitude toward data sharing becomes clearer and also contradictory. Some people can get this data in violation of agreements, while others who ask for it using legal means will be thwarted.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Conspiracy; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: climategate; globalwarminghoax; philjones
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1 posted on 03/02/2010 2:38:17 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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2 posted on 03/02/2010 2:40:16 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; Fred Nerks; steelyourfaith; NormsRevenge; onyx; BOBTHENAILER; ...

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3 posted on 03/02/2010 2:41:48 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“On March 1st he testified before Parliament and there he argued that it was standard scientific practice to not share data.”

That’s as may be, but when you’re about to base global public policy on “partial data,” then I have a problem with “not shar[ing] data.”

That’s like sharing a fabled family recipe and leaving out the key ingredient. You wind up with a flop and hard feelings.


4 posted on 03/02/2010 2:49:23 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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Climategate: Not Fraud, But ‘Noble Cause Corruption’ - by Steven Mosher

5 posted on 03/02/2010 2:50:41 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

>> it was standard scientific practice to not share data <<

Yeah, just as it’s also standard practice to not split infinitives.


6 posted on 03/02/2010 2:57:37 PM PST by Hawthorn
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To: Hawthorn

A split infinitive is the least of my problems with Dr. Jones.


7 posted on 03/02/2010 3:00:48 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fractal Trader; tubebender; marvlus; Genesis defender; markomalley; ...
Thanx !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

8 posted on 03/02/2010 3:06:20 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Warmists as "traffic light" apocalyptics: "Greens too yellow to admit they're really Reds."-Monckton)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

this sounds the same as calling a restaurant dishwasher a Culinary Utensil Disinfectant Technician.


9 posted on 03/02/2010 3:12:42 PM PST by phredo53 (Caution: This post does not comply with White House standards.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; ...

If anyone were holding the politicians accountable for paying out our tax dollars and pushing up public debt to support these parasitic frauds, the UK gov’t would be building a new Tyburn Tree right now. Thanks Ernest!


10 posted on 03/02/2010 3:39:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Phil Jones and his associates are not going to be left off the hook that is for sure. But what about the GISS at NASA. I hope they are fully exposed in the months to come as being associates in falsifying raw data to the point where Congress will be forced to hold some serious investigations as why they should be further funded.


11 posted on 03/03/2010 7:40:51 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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