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Far From Heaven (will we have our bodies in heaven?)
Newsweek (down in article) ^ | 3-25-10 | Lisa Miller

Posted on 03/30/2010 5:50:44 AM PDT by ironangel

It's Easter—that most pleasant of springtime holidays—when children stuff themselves with marshmallows and stain their fingers with pastel dyes. In reality, of course, Easter is about something darker and more fantastic. It's a celebration of the final act of the Passion, in which Jesus rose from his tomb in his body three days after his execution, to reside in heaven with God. The Gospels insist on the veracity of this supernatural event. The risen Lord "ate barbecued fish [Luke] and walked through doors [John]," is how a friend of mine, an Episcopalian priest, puts it. This rising—the Resurrection—remains at the center of the Christian faith, the narrative climax of every creed. Jesus died and rose again so that all his followers could, eventually, do the same. This story has strained the credulity of even the most devoted believer. For, truly, it's unbelievable.

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Obviously we don't get our old body in heaven. Though Jesus (as well as his blessed mother, Mary) was assumed bodily into paradise he was not immediately recognized when he returned to earth. We become spiritual beings in the afterlife; knowing one another by holy characteristics rather than by physical ones.
1 posted on 03/30/2010 5:50:44 AM PDT by ironangel
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To: ironangel
Billy Graham once spoke of driving a yellow Cadillac in heaven

Is General Motors bankrupt in the afterlife?

2 posted on 03/30/2010 6:01:16 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: ironangel

But we get new bodies at the end of the age though.


3 posted on 03/30/2010 6:03:54 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: ironangel

The Bible says we will have a bodily Resurrection. So yes, we will have a body.

If a person is worrying about how they will look or feel or what age they will be, they are missing the point entirely


4 posted on 03/30/2010 6:07:49 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
The Bible says we will have a bodily Resurrection. So yes, we will have a body.

PRAISE GOD that it will be a NEW body.

5 posted on 03/30/2010 6:11:02 AM PDT by VRWCmember (Give them 2.54 cm and they'll take 1.61 km.)
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To: ironangel
I think we get our bodies back when we die after we get to heaven that is; however not the sinful one, but a new one that looks similar; I surely don't know the details :)...

To celebrate Easter ... That Rock Is Gonna Roll, by Emmett Grayson
6 posted on 03/30/2010 6:11:40 AM PDT by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: ironangel

Jesus ate in his resurrected body.

...which is good news for us Baptists!!!!


7 posted on 03/30/2010 6:14:11 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Poison Pill
Is General Motors bankrupt in the afterlife?

They already died and are there............everybody gets 72 Corvairs............

8 posted on 03/30/2010 6:15:26 AM PDT by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: ironangel; TigersEye
Will we have our bodies in heaven?>>>>>>>>>>>>

No.

Its a different realm. It is comprised of energy forms. The heaven principle can manifest here on earth which exists in the realm of form.It manifests through energy. Light , heat ,music, electricity, etc. rarely does it manifest through physical form , but it can do that as well through a physical form which can accomodate that energy.Thats how sainthood happens.Its that kind of form which can exist in the realm of form AND the realm of energy simultaneously. Rare but possible

Love is a kind of energy. It can act as a container to take you into that realm of energy, or what is known as "heaven".That realm has many names in many religions. Nothing else can be such a container, because every thing else is subject to the law of impermanance, except love.It exists as a diamond, it cannot be scratched, ,stained or degraded.It cannot be effected by impermenance.

It is your job to have such a container before you die.Some call it an empowered soul.Some call it bodhicitta.Some call it the "Compassionate heart of Christ". Whatever you call it , it amounts to the same thing. There are many different religious paths to accomplishing that container. Prayer is one, acts of grace another, and meditation still another.

I am very happy to have this precious opportunity as a human being.

9 posted on 03/30/2010 6:17:50 AM PDT by Candor7 (Now's the time to ante upagainst the Obama Fascist Junta ( member NRA))
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To: Poison Pill

No, wait a minute! I misinterpreted the GM Bankruptcy Scriptures! Everybody gets A ‘72 Vega!.................


10 posted on 03/30/2010 6:18:08 AM PDT by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: ironangel
"he was not immediately recognized when he returned to earth. "

I read that as God intentionally kept them from recognizing him. Not that his appearance wasn't recognizable.

"Luk 24:16 (KJ) But their eyes were holden that they should not know him. "

Luk 24:16(NIV) but they were kept from recognizing him.

11 posted on 03/30/2010 6:21:27 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: ironangel

I’m going to wait and see what happens.


12 posted on 03/30/2010 6:21:54 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: ironangel

I want to leave this broken body of mine behind. Kinda like the Edgar suit in Men In Black.


13 posted on 03/30/2010 6:25:00 AM PDT by crosshairs
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To: Red Badger
Everybody gets A ‘72 Vega!.................

You must be some kind of Prophet! I actually used to have a 1972 metallic lime green Vega wagon! That car's existence may have actually transcended physical reality because that black crappy GM plastic seemed to stretch into infinity.

14 posted on 03/30/2010 6:39:04 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: Candor7
"Will we have our bodies in heaven?>>>>>>>>>>>> No."

We will have new bodies, spiritual bodies, but they will also have some physical manifestation.

Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have (Luke 24:39).

I'm not sure it's really appropriate to call those an energy container. I wouldn't rely on non-JudeoChristian religions for information about the afterlife. Scripture says are new bodies are not made by us, but given to us by God.

Scriptures do talk about a new body. In Mark 9:4 Moses and Abraham appeared and were talking with Jesus and were seen in bodily form.

The other religions are false and shouldn't be relied on for any information about the afterlife. Notice also vs 46, appears to refute any claims such as Mormons or Hindu beliefs that we were spirits before becoming mortal.

1Cr 15:35 But someone may ask, "How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?" 36 How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39 All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor. 42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" [fn]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.

More answers on the body

15 posted on 03/30/2010 6:46:20 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
I read that as God intentionally kept them from recognizing him. Not that his appearance wasn't recognizable.

It's the same result, isn't it? On the road to Emanus he wasn't recognized. In the room (where he first appears to his apostles) he wasn't recognized (St. Thomas had to be shown before he believed). Also, he wasn't recognized on the beach at first when he ate the fish breakfast with his deciples.

16 posted on 03/30/2010 6:49:41 AM PDT by ironangel
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To: ironangel

“Far From Heaven (will we have our bodies in heaven?)”

Nope.


17 posted on 03/30/2010 6:50:40 AM PDT by Grunthor (Over YOUR dead body!)
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To: Poison Pill

My sister had a 1972 metallic lime green Vega sedan!...............It died a premature death at about 12k miles when all the oil leaked out.............


18 posted on 03/30/2010 6:52:03 AM PDT by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: ironangel
(from the article) "suicide bombers in the Middle East fantasize about the sexual ministrations of 72 dark-eyed virgins. In all these visions, embodiment is the crux of the matter..."

Why would there be a need for sex in paradise?

19 posted on 03/30/2010 6:52:08 AM PDT by ironangel
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To: DannyTN
Jesus ate in his resurrected body. ...which is good news for us Baptists!!!!

Bring on the fried chicken!

20 posted on 03/30/2010 6:52:24 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Candor7

Well we are now knowing more about the next life, THANKS to people who go through near death experiences or NDE’s.


21 posted on 03/30/2010 6:54:29 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: ironangel
I believe we maintain our earthly body image in heaven.

An interesting side note to this discussion is that whenever a member of our family dreams of an elderly departed loved one, we ask the other "how did he/she look"?

In every single instance, we dream of that person looking as they did when they were about 35 or so.

I.E, our Dad, who was in his 90's and partially paralyed from a stroke appears to us looking young and healthy again.

AND he is always wearing the same thing in our dreams of him to us.

FWIW

22 posted on 03/30/2010 7:04:38 AM PDT by spectre ( Spectre's wife)
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To: ironangel
"It's the same result, isn't it?"

Same result, but for different reasons. If God affects their sight so they can't recognize him, it implies that he would be recognizable without God affecting their sight.

It doesn't say he wasn't recognized by the disciples. He just scared the heck out of them. It implies he appeared suddenly. And it says they thought they were seeing a spirit. Which itself implies that they recognized him, for if he was flesh and blood but someone they didn't recognize why would they think he was spirit. Thomas doubted but not because Jesus didn't appear to be Jesus.

I imagine that if Ronald Reagan suddenly appeared to us, we would doubt it was him. We'd think it was a look-alike. We just don't see resurrected people very often. (Only Elvis can appear to people and be accepted for who he is. lol)

What's the scripture reference on the beach appearance?

23 posted on 03/30/2010 7:11:04 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: ironangel
Why would there be a need for sex in paradise?

IMHO muslims have the most tortuous and corrupted view of human sexuality of any cultural group in the world.

(To put that in perspective Irish Catholics come a distant 2nd)

CC

24 posted on 03/30/2010 7:11:31 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (ostende mihi pecuniam!)
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To: MEGoody

And the milk gravy!


25 posted on 03/30/2010 7:12:12 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

I’ve always been fond of that passage from I Corinthians, but the King James Version is far more beautiful and poetic.


26 posted on 03/30/2010 7:20:48 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: DannyTN; spectre
It doesn't say he wasn't recognized by the disciples. He just scared the heck out of them. It implies he appeared suddenly. And it says they thought they were seeing a spirit. Which itself implies that they recognized him, for if he was flesh and blood but someone they didn't recognize why would they think he was spirit. Thomas doubted but not because Jesus didn't appear to be Jesus. I imagine that if Ronald Reagan suddenly appeared to us, we would doubt it was him. We'd think it was a look-alike. We just don't see resurrected people very often. (Only Elvis can appear to people and be accepted for who he is. lol)

Well, okay...the point I'm trying to make is that I don't believe that Jesus came back as the same mangled and scorged body that hung on the cross. He is risen spirit at this point then, now and forever.

27 posted on 03/30/2010 7:25:44 AM PDT by ironangel
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To: RegulatorCountry

Yeah but I used the NIV this time because the KJ was not as easy to understand.


28 posted on 03/30/2010 7:25:53 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Celtic Conservative
IMHO muslims have the most tortuous and corrupted view of human sexuality of any cultural group in the world.

I just wonder how Mohammed dreamed up the sex aspect in the after life. There would be no need to procreate after all.

29 posted on 03/30/2010 7:27:56 AM PDT by ironangel
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To: VRWCmember

PRAISE GOD!

LLS


30 posted on 03/30/2010 7:38:54 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Wolverine!)
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To: ironangel
He had to motivate repressed young Muslims. The young men are not allowed to mingle naturally and learn about the opposite sex.

The culture forces women into horrific submission, in the case of the Taliban, women must live in houses with the windows painted black so that no one can see them not fully decked out in their head to toe blankets with the cut out peep holes.)

There is no such thing as FUN if you are a young Muslim male or female. The rules are FULL of hatred for the joys of being frivolous and silly, of being allowed to be free and make mistakes.

Promising virgins was a way get young me, full of natural hormonal zest, to strap on bombs and kill themselves for the cause.

31 posted on 03/30/2010 7:45:00 AM PDT by Republic (Stop the horrific liberals from spending ONE MORE DIME before they destroy our nation.)
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To: DannyTN
Anyone who can understand Shakespeare, shouldn't have any problem with it.

But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come? Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

32 posted on 03/30/2010 7:57:45 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: AppyPappy
I suspect we'll be the age we spiritually “feel” deep in our souls... and that will change as we change.

The advantage of having a spiritual body rather than a “real” one is all the stuff we do to maintain the “water bag” won't have to be done... no farming, water works, plumbing, doctors, health care...

33 posted on 03/30/2010 8:03:54 AM PDT by GOPJ (Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!)
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To: GOPJ

“I suspect we’ll be the age we spiritually “feel” deep in our souls.”

Here’s a hint. What did Jesus look like?


34 posted on 03/30/2010 8:14:52 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Republic
...a way get young me, ...

Inadvertently left off a letter, I presume.

35 posted on 03/30/2010 8:36:01 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ironangel

Gotta have something to do with the bodies we’ll have, seeing as though there probably won’t be any restaurants or anything to eat or any bathrooms.


36 posted on 03/30/2010 9:01:02 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Biggirl

What if they aren’t correct?


37 posted on 03/30/2010 9:01:52 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: AppyPappy
“I suspect we’ll be the age we spiritually “feel” deep in our souls.” Here’s a hint. What did Jesus look like?


38 posted on 03/30/2010 10:13:37 AM PDT by ironangel
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To: DannyTN; ironangel

Read the 21st chapter of John. I always took it to mean that Jesus was too far away from the boat for them to recognize Him. As soon as the boat got close enough to shore, they saw it was Him.


39 posted on 03/30/2010 10:51:23 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: ironangel

In a new glorified body Our Lord came back in.


40 posted on 03/30/2010 12:17:06 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: DuncanWaring
Inadvertently left off a letter, I presume.

Well Duncan, just damn. If leaving off that crucial N does not teach me to take the time to review, carefully, my posts, nothing ever will. And being a woman...it even makes the mistake doubly stupid...just damn.

41 posted on 03/30/2010 3:48:22 PM PDT by Republic (Stop the horrific liberals from spending ONE MORE DIME before they destroy our nation.)
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