Posted on 04/07/2010 8:13:56 PM PDT by Chet 99
Not so much that he’s doing us a service, as he’s not doing us a disservice.
And if you can’t stand the articles......you know what to do. Ignore them.
“I’m sorry you have a problem with being warned. I think Chet99 is doing us a service.”
Right, just like the reporters that choose pit bull stories (some of which involve zero bites, zero scratches and still end up as news) over other breeds because of the amount of people who will read them.
One of the 19 people that died last year from non-pit bull-type dogs didn’t end up being published in the news. How is this a service to anyone but biased, ignorant, uneducated fools? As if people didn’t already know (or should know) that you don’t leave a baby alone with a dog? Because THAT is information that should be getting out to everyone. THAT should be common sense, and if it isn’t, it needs to be DRILLED into people’s heads!
You worry about banning a breed of dog which happens to be the most popular right now, while other breeds continue to maim and kill completely ignored. By the way, a few years ago, a jack russel terrier did something similar to a baby. He lost his penis in an attack because the parents could not be bothered to supervise their dog with a newborn.
“Pitt bulls have been bred for the last 200 years to bite and fight. This too is a bred in instinct. It is there because it has been bred into them. It is nature, not nurture.”
If you are willing to make claims about the nature of an animal, you have to be willing to accept EVERYTHING it was bred for. There is no denying that dog men bred pit bulls to be good at fighting dogs, and before that butchers bred them to be good at gripping bulls. It is also a FACT that is easily seen in any history of the breed that has been written that the dogs were also bred for the same amount of time to be extremely pliable to humans, to the extent that human-aggressive dogs were often culled to prevent such a trait from being passed to the next generation.
If you want to make an argument about one aspect of a dog’s inbred “instincts” and leave all the other stuff out, you are purposefully misrepresenting your facts, and will not be taken seriously by anyone here with any kind of common sense.
Sorry one of those “multi” purposes of the breed is as a guard dog, i.e. “human aggressive”.
If you think Pits are somehow bred to not be human aggressive someone should REALLY go ‘back to the drawing board’ with the breed; because some backyard breeder somewhere along the way made them WAY WAY human aggressive.
Moreover, even if you assume that a firecracker and a stick of dynamite are equally likely to “go off”, a rational person must consider the disparate consequences of the two.
I don’t read his posts shibumi pings me for the hippo attacks,you do know Chet99 only posts these articles because he likes to see freepers argue with each other?
No, I didn’t.
Last year he was posting 6 or 7 pitbull stories a day,during a fund raiser a group of us pledged for everyday Chet99 did not post a pitbull story we would donate,i pledged $5 a day some said more....
Chet99 was informed what was going on,he never stopped posting even though he new FR would get money.....
A lot of us believe he posts these stories because it is the only thing Freepers do not agree on and argue constantly over,that is one of the reason why shibumi has a ping list for hippo attacks which merges on Chet99 posts....
I actually pointed this out to one Freeper who was defending Chet99,his reply back was STFU...
Slainte...
“Sorry one of those “multi” purposes of the breed is as a guard dog, i.e. “human aggressive”.”
Nope. They were never bred as a guardian. They were only ever bred to handle vermin and assist farmers, and later to fight dogs. People who claim these dogs were bred for that obviously haven’t read the history of the breed.
They make lousy guards, which is why they are one of the most commonly-stolen dogs. Most responsible pit bull owners will tell you their dogs would greet burglars with wagging tails. The dogs you see in these stories are owned by people who are irresponsible, which is why the experts NEVER claim it’s a breed issue. There is far too much evidence to the contrary for a professional to put emotion before reason.
And for the record, compared to their population, an infinitesimally small percentage of pit bulls end up on the news. Why on Earth would you want to judge an entire breed based on the actions of the smallest minority?
It is, in fact, the favorite breed of dog for gangs to guard their crack houses and/or meth labs.
I have encountered far too many human aggressive Pit Bulls roaming around their owners country estates attacking any human being they see on the road to buy for a second this idiocy that they are not “human aggressive”.
And I would say that ripping the testicles off a 6 month old was an act of “human aggression”.
Hunting dogs gotta hunt.
Herding dogs gotta herd.
Fighting dogs gotta.... wag their tails and not ever bite anyone?
And it is not entirely the number of incidents or the likelihood, as opposed to a different breed. Even if you presuppose that a firecracker and a stick of dynamite is equally likely to explode, a reasonable person must note that the consequences of each are not equally as dangerous.
While it is true many thugs will use pit bulls to guard their goods, it isn’t because they did a bunch of research to find the best type of dog for the job. If they were educated, they would never choose a terrier, but because of the urban mythology associated with the breed and the status it represents (as stupid and backwards as that may be, they’re dirt cheap and everywhere), they do.
Very seldom do I hear about a pit bull trained to guard property being involved in a bite incident. Most of the time, the dogs are either running loose or chained up, and if they are inside the home, they are almost always intact, in a pack of two or more, or a breeding pair.
“I have encountered far too many human aggressive Pit Bulls roaming around their owners country estates attacking any human being they see on the road to buy for a second this idiocy that they are not “human aggressive”.”
Key words here are “roaming around”. Dogs left to their own devices are dangerous. Working dogs need direction, exercise, and a boss, not whatever they want.
“And it is not entirely the number of incidents or the likelihood, as opposed to a different breed. Even if you presuppose that a firecracker and a stick of dynamite is equally likely to explode, a reasonable person must note that the consequences of each are not equally as dangerous.”
True, but there is no evidence that pit bull bites are on average worse than other breeds. In fact, a recent study shows the opposite.
Notice that labs rank number one in bites, and on a severity scale, when comparing dogs who have been involved in ten or more attacks, pit bulls ranked seventh in severity, below Dalmatians. Both links will provide information, but if you don’t want to read all 40-some pages of the top link, the second link is more of a summary, and notes the important details of the study.
http://www.livingsafelywithdogs.org/
i said that just reading the titles are enough. i obviously had to open up the thread to post a reply and put in my two cents which i have resisted doing up until now. this after seeing what seems like a thousand horrific articles posted by this person. and okay excuse the hell out of me for a typo.
Guard dog = human aggressive.
A pit bull is aggressive in its yard, and it is aggressive when out of its yard. It is an aggressive animal.
The capability to inflict damage is much higher with a Pit Bull than most other dogs. In fact THAT is the reason many Pit Bull owners pick that breed, because of its potential for and capability for inflicting grievous bodily harm.
There are reasons why it is the dog of choice for Gangs with meth labs to guard. Besides being dirt cheap and everywhere, they look and act scary. That tends to keep people away, which is the function of a guard dog - acting and being aggressive towards humans.
The breed is a favorite among the Gang bangers BECAUSE it is aggressive towards humans. It wouldn't make a good meth lab guard dog if it wasn't.
That’s exactly why he does it.
He’s the punk thug and everyone who replies becomes one of his pit dogs.
He gets his jollies watching “his dogs” tear each other apart.
*If* he’s doing everyone such a service, *why* does he rarely engage in the thread, other than the initial “throwing the bait into the ring” post?
His “public service announcements” used to draw *many* more posters and be *much* longer and more heated than now.
Now they’re mercifully short and only a few of us bother to come by just to “make sure he doesn’t have too much fun watching his dogs fight”.
People are finally wising up to the sick fact that he is -using- them to engage in his own version of “pit fighting”.
The cold truth is that his “service” is useless...it serves no -useful- purpose except to titillate *him*.
If he’s SO concerned about kids, why is he *not* addressing these facts?
http://www.childhelp.org/pages/statistics
“•Almost _five children die everyday as a result of child abuse_. More than three out of four are under the age of 4.”
Now guess who kills these poor kids.
That’s right...mommy or daddy.
Where’s the call for “parent bans”?
Don’t let yourself be one of those who get suckered into a psychosis posing as a public service.
No but if you did it every single day of every single month, focusing solely on one politician, people *might* start to consider you dangerously obsessed...:)
“They make lousy guards, which is why they are one of the most commonly-stolen dogs.”
They’re occasionally stolen right out of the shelters that rescued them.
Most of the ones I meet in the local pet stores are there to be socialized and hopefully “healed” of their shyness/fearfulness of *everything*.
We have a LOT of “pit bulls” in my area and I have *never* heard of any of them attacking anyone.
The only time they make the local news is when somebody gets prosecuted for abusing/starving them.
Irony is so ironic.
You both make too much sense and overuse factual statistics.
STFU.
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“The capability to inflict damage is much higher with a Pit Bull than most other dogs. In fact THAT is the reason many Pit Bull owners pick that breed, because of its potential for and capability for inflicting grievous bodily harm.”
Do you have proof of this in the form of a reputable study? Because I just posted a study that says the opposite of what you just said. I am always willing to admit if I am wrong, as I did about 15 years ago when I believed the breed was dangerous before being asked to do some research on it, but I had made the mistake of taking a side before I had done so, and I will not make that mistake again. If you have found some information that is from a reliable source that sheds some light on this, please feel free to post it.
People pick the breed because of what they hear about it, not because they have some kind of special understanding that a person like me, who has literally spent years studying the breed, does not possess. Pit bulls are highly trainable, and will do anything for their owners. This is also why they are desired by the wrong people.
Let me ask you this. If the breed really was as bad as you claim, why aren’t there more serious attacks? The breed has not made the death toll rise, and it has not increased the total number of bites, so how is it that ten million live in this country, and we only hear about a few a week? What about the 13 thousand attacks happening every day, 2 thousand of which require hospitalization? How come these aren’t getting reported on the news?
“The breed is a favorite among the Gang bangers BECAUSE it is aggressive towards humans. It wouldn’t make a good meth lab guard dog if it wasn’t.”
Thugs used to have German Shepherds, Dobies, and Rottweilers as guard dogs (all of which would be better at the job, by far). During these times, it is no coincidence that not only were these breeds the most popular, but also number one for deaths. It has everything to do with the owners.
I need proof that many people who get Pit Bulls do so because of their potential for and capability for inflicting grievous bodily harm? Oh really?
I suppose they get them because they are good with children? When they are not ripping off their testicles I suppose.
“Bite strength”
Mastiff: 556 psi
Pit bull: 235 psi
German Shepherd: 238 psi
Rottweiler: 328 psi
Wolf/wolf hybrid: 406 psi
Doberman: 340 psi
“Thugs used to have German Shepherds, Dobies, and Rottweilers as guard dogs (all of which would be better at the job, by far).”
I suspect that thugs switched to pits for their own safety.
None of the other breeds listed above would long tolerate the abuse they suffer at the hands of their “masters” without retaliation.
Pits tend to put up with just about anything from the people they [often foolishly] love.
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