Posted on 06/09/2010 4:55:12 PM PDT by BCR #226
AMENDMENT OFFERED BY MR. HUGHES TO THE AMENDMENT, AS AMENDED, OFFERED BY MR. VOLKMER AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AMENDMENT IN THE NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE, AS AMENDED
132 Cong.Rec. H1741-06 Page 16 of 31
Mr. HUGHES. Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment to the amendment offered as a substitute for the committee amendment in the nature of a substitute. PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Chairman, I have a parliamentary inquiry. The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman will state it. Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Chairman, before the amendment is read, I would like to know if the amendment was one of those printed in the RECORD prior to today. The CHAIRMAN. The Chair will so inquire of the gentleman from New Jersey whether his amendment has been printed in the RECORD? Mr. HUGHES. It has been printed in the RECORD, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will read. Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Chairman, has it been printed in the RECORD by Mr. HUGHES? The CHAIRMAN. Under the rule, it is not required that the sponsor of the amendment have it printed in the RECORD. The Clerk will report the amendment. The Clerk read as follows: Amendment offered by Mr. HUGHES to the amendment as amended, offered by Mr. VOLKMER as a substitute for the Judiciary Committee amendment in the nature of a substitute, as amended: Section 102 of the matter proposed to be inserted is amended- (1) in paragraph (7), by striking out "and"; (2) in paragraph (8), by striking out the period at the end and inserting in lieu thereof "; and"; and (3) by adding at the end the following: (9) by inserting after the subsection added by paragraph (8) of this section the following: "(o)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machinegun. "(2) This subsection does not apply with respect to- "(A) a transfer to or by, or possession by or under the authority of, the United States or any department or agency thereof or a State, or a department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or "(B) any lawful transfer or lawful possession of a machinegun that was lawfully possessed before the date this subsection takes effect.". Section 110 of the matter proposed to be inserted is amended by adding at the end the following: (c) MACHINEGUN PROHIBITION.-Section 102(9) shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this Act. Mr. HUGHES (during the reading). Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent that the amendment be considered as read and printed in the RECORD. The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection to the request of the gentleman from New Jersey? Mr. WALKER. Mr. Chairman, I object. The CHAIRMAN. Objection is heard. The Clerk continued the reading of the amendment. Mr. HUGHES (during the reading). Mr. Chairman, I renew my request that the amendment be considerd as read and printed in the RECORD. I ask my colleagues, in all fairness and rationality-we only have 3 minutes left-to give me an opportunity to explain why machineguns should be banned. Mr. WALKER. Mr. Chairman, regular order and reserving the right to object–– The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will read. The Clerk continued the reading of the amendment. Mr. HUGHES (during the reading). Mr. Chairman, I renew my request for a waiver of the reading of the amendment. The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection to the request of the gentleman from New Jersey? Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Chairman, I object. The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will read. The Clerk continued the reading of the amendment. Mr. HUGHES (during the reading). Mr. Chairman, I renew my request for a waiver of the reading of the amendment. I do not know why anyone would object to the banning of machineguns. The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection to the request of the gentleman from New Jersey? Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Chairman, I object. The CHAIRMAN. Objection is heard. The Clerk concluded the reading of the amendment. Mr. HUGHES. Mr. Chairman, I move that the Committee do now rise. Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote. The CHAIRMAN. Is it the Chair's understanding that the gentleman from New Jersey moves that the Committee do now rise? Mr. HUGHES. That is my motion, Mr. Chairman. I move that the Committee do now rise. The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the motion offered by the gentleman from New Jersey . The question was taken; and the Chairman announced that the ayes appeared to have it.
RECORDED VOTE Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote. A recorded vote was ordered. The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were-ayes 124, noes 298, not voting 12, as follows:
AYES-124 Ackerman Akaka Anderson Annunzio Anthony Aspin Atkins Barnes Bates Beilenson Bennett Berman Biaggi Boland Bonior (MI) Borski Boxer Broomfield Burton (CA) Carper Clay Collins Conyers Cooper Coyne Crockett Dellums Dixon Donnelly Downey Durbin Dwyer Dymally Early Edgar Edwards (CA) Evans (IL) Fascell Fawell Fazio Feighan Foglietta Ford (TN) Frank Garcia Gejdenson Gibbons Gonzalez Gordon Gray (PA) Green Guarini Hawkins Hayes Henry Hertel Howard Hoyer Hughes Jacobs Kaptur Kastenmeier Kennelly Kildee Kleczka LaFalce Lehman (CA) Lehman (FL) Leland Levin (MI) Levine (CA) Lipinski Lowry (WA) Manton Markey Martinez Matsui Mavroules McKinney Mikulski Miller (CA) Miller (WA) Mineta Moakley Moody Morrison (CT) Mrazek Oakar Owens Porter Price Rangel Rodino Roe Rostenkowski Roybal Russo Sabo Savage Scheuer Schroeder Schumer Seiberling Smith (FL) Solarz Spratt St Germain Stark Stratton Studds Torres Torricelli Towns Traficant Udall Vento Visclosky Walgren Waxman Weiss Wheat Whitehurst Wolpe Yates
NOES-298 Alexander Andrews Applegate Archer Armey AuCoin Badham Barnard Bartlett Barton Bateman Bedell Bentley Bereuter Bevill Bilirakis Bliley Boehlert Boggs Boner (TN) Bonker Bosco Boucher Breaux Brooks Brown (CA) Brown (CO) Broyhill Bruce Bryant Burton (IN) Bustamante Byron Callahan Campbell Carney Carr Chandler Chapman Chappell Chappie Cheney Clinger Coats Cobey Coble Coelho Coleman (MO) Coleman (TX) Combest Conte Coughlin Courter Craig Crane Daniel Dannemeyer Darden Daschle Daub Davis de la Garza DeLay Derrick DeWine Dickinson Dicks Dingell DioGuardi Dorgan (ND) Dornan (CA) Dowdy Dreier Duncan Dyson Eckart (OH) Eckert (NY) Edwards (OK) Emerson English Erdreich Evans (IA) Fiedler Fields Fish Flippo Florio Foley Ford (MI) Fowler Franklin Frenzel Frost Fuqua Gallo Gaydos Gekas Gilman Gingrich Glickman Goodling Gradison Gray (IL) Gregg Gunderson Hall (OH) Hall, Ralph Hamilton Hammerschmidt Hansen Hartnett Hatcher Hefner Hendon Hiler Hillis Holt Hopkins Horton Hubbard Huckaby Hunter Hutto Hyde Jeffords Jenkins Johnson Jones (NC) Jones (OK) Jones (TN) Kanjorski Kasich Kemp Kindness Kolbe Kolter Kostmayer Kramer Lagomarsino Lantos Latta Leach (IA) Leath (TX) Lent Lewis (CA) Lewis (FL) Lightfoot Livingston Lloyd Loeffler Long Lott Lowery (CA) Luken Lundine Lungren Mack MacKay Madigan Marlenee Martin (IL) Martin (NY) Mazzoli McCain McCandless McCloskey McCollum McCurdy McDade McEwen McGrath McHugh McKernan McMillan Meyers Mica Michel Miller (OH) Mitchell Molinari Mollohan Monson Montgomery Moore Moorhead Morrison (WA) Murphy Murtha Myers Natcher Neal Nelson Nielson Nowak Oberstar Obey Olin Ortiz Oxley Packard Panetta Parris Pashayan Pease Penny Pepper Perkins Petri Pickle Pursell Quillen Rahall Ray Regula Reid Richardson Ridge Rinaldo Ritter Roberts Robinson Roemer Rogers Rose Roth Roukema Rowland (CT) Rowland (GA) Rudd Saxton Schaefer Schneider Schuette Sensenbrenner Sharp Shaw Shelby Shumway Shuster Sikorski Siljander Sisisky Skeen Skelton Slattery Slaughter Smith (IA) Smith (NE) Smith (NJ) Smith, Denny (OR) Smith, Robert (NH) Smith, Robert (OR) Snowe Snyder Solomon Spence Staggers Stallings Stangeland Stenholm Strang Stump Sundquist Sweeney Swift Swindall Synar Tallon Tauke Tauzin Taylor Thomas (CA) Thomas (GA) Traxler Valentine Vander Jagt Volkmer Vucanovich Walker Watkins Weaver Weber Whitley Whittaker Whitten Williams Wilson Wirth Wise Wolf Wortley Wyden Wylie Yatron Young (AK) Young (FL) Young (MO) Zschau
NOT VOTING-12 Addabbo Boulter Gephardt Grotberg Heftel Ireland Lujan Nichols O'Brien Schulze Stokes Wright
If it is real, we need to do something about this. What, I have no idea... But this reeks of corruption.
opinions?
This looks like a rollcall vote from the early to mid 1980’s on banning certain types of guns/weapons.
We need the Date of the Congressional Record, the full range of page numbers, and the fact that it was part of the transcript of the House’s daily proceedings.
Notice the names of Boland, Akaka, etc. as members of the HOUSE. AKAKA later became a senator, much to our sorrow.
132 Cong.Rec. H1741-06 Page 16 of 31
specifically, this comes from 1986. This is the transcript of the debate on the machine gun ban. For years, we’ve said that it didn’t really pass... now we have the proof. We need to see what recourse is available to get the law stricken from the books as it DID NOT really pass.
And if it didn’t pass, then what of the numerous people who were convicted of possession or manufacture of a machine gun?
Oh, you mean the 1300 people that have served or are now serving time for violation of this illegitimate amendment? How about the people and animals that were harmed or killed in raids conducted by BATFE over this?
Rangel owes every person in jail an apology and reparations for what he caused to happen. Then Rangel needs to go to jail.
Passed the information along to Cato and other interested parties. We may have grounds to overturn the Hughes Amendment. It’s gonna take time and there is no guarantee that it will work but there is apparantly a basis for a case.
Hope this helps.
I did some quick research on the vote and found that it did in fact go down in a rather shady way.
Here is a PDF I made of an excerpt of the relevant section of the congressional record.
Here is a PDF I made of the full section in which the excerpt can be found
Here is a text file of the relevant section.
Excellent! I’ll research these and put it into the right hands and see what stinking turds float to the top of the punch bowl.
Ok guys,
I found it.
Cspan doesn’t have the footage, nor does vanderbuilt or any of the other major video archives that I had access to.
HOWEVER
The good ol library of congress has a film reel copy.
The reel we need is:
17:24-18:56 (VTA 0234)
http://lccn.loc.gov/91796846
So... Now I just need to pony up a couple hundered bucks to the library of congress and complete my order form (I just have to ask my wife when she gets back from work where the address of the new appartment is).
Rush service is not available so we’d be looking at a month or two before we can actually see it.
But It does exist.
According to Thomas, Amendment 777 to H.R. 4332 passed on 10 APR 86 by a voice vote. The other two amendments from Hughes failed in recorded votes.
That was some dirty dealing.
Excellent. Great job. We’ve got about 5 different avenues of attack on the Hughes Amendment being put together right now. One way or another, it’s going bye bye.
We may see the demise of the garbage from BATFE firearms branch go away as well. They are reaping what they have sown.
Ok guys,
It appears I had made an error earlier, (The April 9th files were actually a typo I had made in my notes, the stuff I had been looking at was actually the 10th)
All the stuff on April 9th was procedural and wasn’t particularly relevant to what we were looking for. All the good stuff is on the 10th. So I’ve rectified the issue. Thankfully I caught it before the film order was placed.
So... This is a little bit of good news, as that is 1.5 hours of film that we don’t have to order.
Here is the correct info, (and yes I double checked)
The congressional record indicates that the recorded vote (taken before the vote which ‘passed’ it) was defeated 298 to 124with 12 not voting
[QUOTE]
Here is a PDF of the relevant section of April 10th
Here is a TXT file of the relevant section of April 10th
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B4xHVurgr6T4NDMwM2YyZWYtNmFlNS00MDRkLWJhZDYtNmY3Y2Q4NjU0ODcw&hl=en
Here is a PDF of the full section of April 10th
[/quote]
the tapes we need are:
[QUOTE]Contents:
09:57-11:29 (VTA 0236)
11:26-13:00 (VTA 0237)
[url]http://lccn.loc.gov/91796859[/url]
[/QUOTE]
Ok guys,
It appears I had made an error earlier, (The April 9th files were actually a typo I had made in my notes, the stuff I had been looking at was actually the 10th)
All the stuff on April 9th was procedural and wasn’t particularly relevant to what we were looking for. All the good stuff is on the 10th. So I’ve rectified the issue. Thankfully I caught it before the film order was placed.
So... This is a little bit of good news, as that is 1.5 hours of film that we don’t have to order.
Here is the correct info, (and yes I double checked)
The congressional record indicates that the recorded vote (taken before the vote which ‘passed’ it) was defeated 298 to 124with 12 not voting
[QUOTE]
Here is a PDF of the relevant section of April 10th
Here is a TXT file of the relevant section of April 10th
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B4xHVurgr6T4NDMwM2YyZWYtNmFlNS00MDRkLWJhZDYtNmY3Y2Q4NjU0ODcw&hl=en
Here is a PDF of the full section of April 10th
[/quote]
the tapes we need are:
[QUOTE]Contents:
09:57-11:29 (VTA 0236)
11:26-13:00 (VTA 0237)
[url]http://lccn.loc.gov/91796859[/url]
[/QUOTE]
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