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The deep oceans drive the atmosphere
JoNova ^ | June 12th, 2010 | William Kininmonth Guest post

Posted on 06/11/2010 11:07:22 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Ever wondered how the whole planet could suddenly “get warmer” during an El Nino, and then suddenly cool again? William Kininmonth has the answer. As I read his words I’m picturing a major pool of stored “coldness” (bear with me, I know cold is just a lack of heat) which is periodically unleashed on the surface temperatures. The vast deep ocean abyss is filled with salty and near freezing water.  In years where this colder pool is kept in place we have El Ninos, and on years when the colder water rises and mixes up near the surface we have La Ninas. The satellites recording temperatures at the surface of the ocean are picking up the warmth (or lack of) on this top-most layer. That’s why it can be bitterly cold for land thermometers but at the same time the satellites are recording a higher world average temperature, due to the massive area of the Pacific.

In other words, just as you’d expect, the actual temperature of the whole planetary mass is not rising and falling within months, instead, at times the oceans swallow the heat on the surface and give up some “coldness”. At other times, the cold stays buried deep down and the heat can collect and loll about on the surface.

William Kininmonth was chief of Australia’s National Climate Centre at the Bureau of Meteorology from 1986 to 1998. Below, he describes how a vast pool of cold water filled the deep ocean abyss over 30 million years, and why this water and the currents that shift it have a major impact our climate. The so-called Bottom Layer is not just pockets or pools, it forms around Antarctica, then sinks and flows along the bottom all the way across the equator and into the Northern Hemisphere. Bear in mind the average depth of the ocean is around 4 kilometers, and yet almost all the water below a depth of 1000 m is around 4°C  or colder. The Antarctic Bottom Water itself is close to 0°C. The equivalent heat energy of the entire atmosphere is stored in just the top few meters of water. It gives us all some perspective on the relative importance of different factors affecting the climate. His thoughts are in response to the latest debate essay from Dr Andrew Glikson, so the figures 1 and 2 come from that article.

Kininmonth points out that small changes in the rate of the Thermohaline Circulation (also known as the Ocean’s Conveyor Belt)  makes a huge difference to all corners of the globe, and that the climate models make large assumptions about the flow of energy. Since the cold bottom layer was created by a kind of “Antarctic Refridgerator” (set into play by the circumpolar current) this colossal cold pool of water will presumably hang around until the continents shift. That’s quite a few election cycles.

Jo

Guest post by William Kininmonth

The deep cold abyss

IMAGE: Deep Ocean Abyss with cold bottom water

The deep ocean abyss forms as cold salty water sinks from Antarctica

Of particular interest to me was the second panel of his Figure 1(see below). It shows that the temperature of the deep ocean fell from 12°C  to 0°C ,  but without explanation.  Bob Foster has spoken of this regularly – the opening of Drake Passage and the isolation of the Antarctic continent from the warmer tropical surface temperatures by the Antarctic Circumpolar Current. This means that winter sea ice forms around the Antarctic coastline, and expels salt into the surrounding sea water which increases the salinity and density of the near freezing water under the sea ice. There is only one way for that cold saline water to go and that is down to form Bottom Water.

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1 posted on 06/11/2010 11:07:23 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: steelyourfaith; NormsRevenge; Fred Nerks; Marine_Uncle; BIGLOOK; blam; SunkenCiv; Grampa Dave; ...
posted enough of the article to deliver a flavor....

Some folks are extremely reluctant to click on other websites....but I believe this one to be safe.

2 posted on 06/11/2010 11:09:18 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Thunder90; Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; Entrepreneur; Darnright; Nipfan; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

3 posted on 06/11/2010 11:11:03 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (America should take a mulligan on the 2008 presidential election.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Next question. What drives the deep oceans?


4 posted on 06/11/2010 11:13:34 AM PDT by ILS21R (A 200 year supply of oil... in Alaska....right now)
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To: ILS21R

Excellent question. Quarks, I believe.


5 posted on 06/11/2010 11:18:13 AM PDT by Obadiah (I can see November from my house!)
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To: ILS21R

Karl Roves Weather Machine.


6 posted on 06/11/2010 11:20:20 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: ILS21R

Temperature and salinity differential and the Coriolis Effect.


7 posted on 06/11/2010 11:25:38 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Link in article gives 404...try this:

Debate part 5: The planetary atmosphere and climate change

8 posted on 06/11/2010 11:28:51 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

....tut, tut, it looks like oil...../s


9 posted on 06/11/2010 11:29:19 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It sure as heck isn't the "Greenhouse Effect."

Greenhouse theory is pure bunkum.

No Smoking Hot Spot (The Australian)

The Hidden Flaw in Greenhouse Theory

Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics

Harvard astrophysicist dismisses AGW theory, challenges peers to 'take back climate science'

10 posted on 06/11/2010 11:36:25 AM PDT by TigersEye ("Flotilla" means "pirate ships running supplies to terrorists.")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Sorry, guys, it’s the Sun that does it.


11 posted on 06/11/2010 11:36:31 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

If you take it down to the most basic level it’s all running on testosterone.


12 posted on 06/11/2010 11:42:09 AM PDT by Free Descendant (Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The equivalent heat energy of the entire atmosphere is stored in just the top few meters of water.

That one statement says volumes.

13 posted on 06/11/2010 11:45:09 AM PDT by TigersEye ("Flotilla" means "pirate ships running supplies to terrorists.")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Well, yeah, and so does the sun, and the rotation of the Earth.


14 posted on 06/11/2010 11:50:00 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Good job, Ernest. Thanks!


15 posted on 06/11/2010 11:54:51 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: TigersEye
you bet,....so why is it that the climate modelers seem to be ignoring all of this..?

Agenda driven research?

16 posted on 06/11/2010 11:55:49 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: ILS21R

Cheney’s Halliburton Hurricane Horror, of course.


17 posted on 06/11/2010 12:02:17 PM PDT by Cheesel (So this how democracy dies...with thunderous applause, March 21, 2010)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Someone or something is causing these “climate scientists” to look at the earth through the wrong end of the telescope. ;^)


18 posted on 06/11/2010 12:04:03 PM PDT by TigersEye ("Flotilla" means "pirate ships running supplies to terrorists.")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; 75thOVI; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; ...
"The ocean surface layer is a thin lens of warm water overlying the cold abyss"
...and yet, the so-called scientists -- who are merely politically motivated demagogues -- pushing the global warming Big Lie used to claim (with no basis whatsoever) that the reason the Earth wasn't warming as they'd "projected" (a.k.a. made up crap) was because the heat was being sequestered in the depths of the oceans, and was going to suddenly appear and bite us in the ass. Naturally that just delayed the inevitable, as expensive studies were made -- studies which found that the claim was baseless, yet another tissue of lies.

thanks Ernest_at_the_Beach.
 
Catastrophism
 
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19 posted on 06/11/2010 3:15:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Interesting article. I have for a long time believed the deep oceans as being the regulators this article brings out.


20 posted on 06/11/2010 5:52:58 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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