Posted on 08/02/2010 7:13:54 AM PDT by laotzu
San Antonio police Saturday night arrested a 38 year old teacher in the Northside ISD and charged her with engaging in sexual activity with a 12 year old boy.
An arrest warrant obtained by 1200 WOAI news claims that Lucinda Caldwell, 38, is a fifth grade teacher at Cable Elementary School on Pinn Road.
The affidavit claims Caldwell picked up the boy at his far west side home Friday night and drove to a hotel, where the sexual contact allegedly took place.
But when she tried to return the youngster to his home early Saturday, his dad was waiting, so she drove off and drove into Medina County, where police there arrested her and rescued the boy.
It is not known whether the boy is a student of Caldwell's, or whether he attends Cable Elementary School. Caldwell is charged with aggravated sexual assault of a child. A spokesman at the Bexar County Jail said he didn't have information on whether bond had been set.
Officials didn't say how the contact between the boy and the teacher was made, because school is not in session, or whether the two had some sort of ongoing relationship.
I don’t know how many times I’ve read that on FR. Whether is GLSEN, “Gay/Straight” clubs, explicit sex-ed, no prayer, no Christmas songs about Christ, Muslim indoctrination, etc - nope, not at “my” school!
“I do think the modern emphasis on putting off marriage is a bad thing.”
I was going to avoid any more posts on this thread (time constraints) but you raised a point I had debated but not mentioned, albeit from a different perspective.
Assume that a female virgin’s first sex partner shapes her in obvious and subtle ways. True, as I “knew” quite a number of such females.
Indeed, an argument can be made that a virgin female in many ways imprints on her first ‘lover’ (term used loosely), somewhat as a duckling, emerging from the egg, imprints on the first moving thing it sees.
In behavioral terms, the pair bond formation capability of a virgin human female at its maximum during her first sexual relationship.
Additionally, one may also say that multiple, unsuccessful pairings diminish strength and duration of pair bond formation.
Liberals and divorce lawyers adore the sexual revolution. Lots of income for them!
Knowing the above, I find it interesting that Judeo-Christianity bases its marriage ideal upon a virgin female.
Even the Ancient World valued virgin wives.
Given that during most of human history..
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Hm?..Re: Human history:
So?...In these teacher and student sex outrages, how many have involved actually formally asking permission of the father or male guardian, spending time courting the young person in full view of the family, both families getting to know the future in-law family, and finally marrying in a very public wedding ceremony with certified virgin participants followed by full emotional support of both families and the entire village?
Just wondering.
Paging! Apple to meet orange for comparison!
I can’t say for the hypothetical society you described. However, here in America, it was not unknown for a student to marry a teacher after graduation. However, that was before the sexual revolution reached its nadir and both student and teacher populations adopted behavior more appropriate to the monkey house that an American school.
However, upon further study of your post, I must ask whether you considered that the reason the teacher in your post was a virgin because of religious belief or because no female would have anything to do with it? Just wondern’.
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Virgin husbands are a pretty good thing, too.
Of course our “culture” is now a slut culture, but this will change. Perhaps when things fall apart more.
Probably both! Females guarded their “reputation”.
You mean she does 12-year-old Eskimo girls too?
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I hit the abuse button on this post hours ago, and yet it remains. Imho, this is not only an embarrassment to Free Republic, it is a demonstration of a disturbed element that has been allowed to express its immoral perspective here. I hope that the fact that it continues to be read by who knows how many is a reflection of the number of posts that this site receives, and not a comment regarding its validity.
I agree with you completely.
Not sure if you noticed, but the story is about a full grown (save for mentally) woman accused of having sex with a pre-teen. That’s the sick part. No matter how horrible I may pun, I really doubt it’s more vulgar than the reality of the story.
Wrong is wrong. There doesn’t need to be *demonstrable* evidence that the encounter was *harmful* to the boy to make it wrong.
That’s situational ethics which is no ethics at all.
“I think that anyone that requires sourced data to determine if molesting children is harmful isn’t really looking for the “truth”. Were it a male adult molesting a male child would you ask this question? If it were a male adult and a female minor would you ask this question?
For all intents and purposes, regardless of the sexes of the perpetrator and the victim, it is rape of a minor child. If you need scientific evidence to prove that raping a child is harmful not only are you asking the wrong question, you have serious issues.”
Exactly.......
The double standard is hypocritical beyond belief. That’s why we have situations like this on every thread about teachers having sex with minors.
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Situation: Male teacher seduces female student = rapist, pedophile, sex offender.
Conclusion: Teacher is completely to blame. He ought to have known better, she couldn’t possibly have been complicit due to her youth and naivety.
Consequences: Tar and feather him, skin him alive and throw him in a vat of brine, emasculate him with a dull knife, and throw him in jail in general pop. and make sure all the other inmates know why he’s there. Top with burn alive in hell for eternity.
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Situation: Male Teacher seduces male student= rapist, pedophile, sex offender.
Conclusion: Teacher completely to blame (no argument there)
Consequences: Skin it alive with a dull knife, THEN tar and feather it with hotter tar and more feathers. Emasculate with rusty razor blade. Then throw into vat of hot brine and put in prison with general pop with sign over cell door listing charges. Have it thrown into the lake of fire along with Satan and the False Prophet.
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Situation: Female teacher seduces female student = pedophile & sex offender.
Conclusion: See above male teacher seduces male student
Consequences: See above male teacher seduces male student, unless both females are attractive.
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Situation: Female teacher seduces male student.
Conclusion: *Lucky* boy, *wink, wink, nudge, nudge*, gets every boy’s dream. Teacher bears some blame for actions, but boy is more than willing to comply so no harm done, because, after all, he IS a boy and everyone knows that situations like that never damage a boys psyche or future relationships like it does girl’s.
Consequences: Decide guilt or innocence based solely on looks of teacher and be generous in pardon. If she is hot, declare *not guilty* and look the other way. If she isn’t, prison time for a while, maybe. Don’t forget to vote if you would “hit it” or not.
Requesting hard data hardly qualifies as situational ethics, unless you assume the scientific method to be just an exercise in situational ethics.
Exactly. It’s “do it if it feels good”.
You can’t demonstrate the kind of damage done to a child, which is what a 12 year old is, by this kind of encounter *scientifically* unless it’s diagnosing the diseases he may have picked up.
The harm from this kind of abominable encounter cannot be reduced to mere numbers and statistics.
Looking for scientific evidence that harm was done before determining that it was wrong is just looking for excuses to justify it.
There are absolute right and wrong, moral absolutes, and they don’t need any statistics or data.
It is morally wrong for an adult to have sex with a minor. If the adult is a man marrying a younger woman, in some cultures and at some time periods, then it is acceptable, depending on the age difference. Many people on FR have said that their grandparents were married as teenagers, or their grandmother was even 14 or 15 when she married a young man in his 20s.
But that is marriage, not illicit sex, and it makes a huge difference.
There is no need of “scientific method” to determine moral absolutes. It is wrong to murder, to kidnap, to slander or libel, to rape, to molest children, to commit incest or bestiality.
No need of studies, statistics or comparison charts.
Exactly. Human beings’ inner life and experiences and emotions are not always scientifically quantifiable.
They aren’t quantifiable at all.
According to some of the discussions that I’ve had on crevo threads, anything that can’t be tested, or observed, or subjected to scientific inquiry is not part of the material, natural world.
Emotions don’t have substance or form and cannot be scientifically analyzed.
Demanding scientific evidence that something immoral is harmful is a smoke screen.
Exactly. I was being sort of sarcastic when I said they aren’t always quanitifiable.
No one can measure love, fear, anger, anxiety, dread, faith, despair, friendship, compassion, or any other human emotion, feeling, insight, inspiration or other invisible experience.
“There is no need of “scientific method” to determine moral absolutes.”
I agree, completely, as you are correct, by definition. Science is a method of determining the validity of a hypothesis, morality a method of assigning values to human behavior, usually with a reference to Divine authority or scripture.
What was the original question was a request for hard data regarding the hypothesis that sex at age 12 damaged a male, and if so, in what way.
So far, all I have read are answers not responsive to the question, with the exception of a private mail about an ex who had been in such a relationship and he felt bad about it. It was noted, upon discussion, that the male was from a Liberal Jewish urban family.
Coming from a somewhat similar background, I can see why the anecdotal report was as it was. Guilt is, after all, something of a profession amongst some of my co-religionists.
As someone who occasionally plays the Devil’s Advocate role, or takes a contrarian position, what somewhat disturbs me is the general acceptance of the counter-intuitive., particularly in this subject area.
One last thought. In a culture that allows just about any form of sex, where even the perversions of members of “queer nation” now are a legally protected class), why are some FReepers so disturbed at a request for corroboration of a premise?
“Looking for scientific evidence that harm was done before determining that it was wrong is just looking for excuses to justify it.”
Allow me, for the purpose of discussion to overlook your claim that my question was “an excuse to justify it”.
Before we pass laws regarding anything, we should ask for the facts justifying the extension of government. And, make no mistake, another law IS extension of government.
As an example, “Cap and Trade” is in trouble because we question the premises of the law. I asked for the facts because the general history of man runs contrary to the premise that the boy was “damaged”.
Those justifying a law which is counter to the general experience of man should be willing to justify their position. And, it has been the general experience of man that post puberty boys are mostly equipped with an overly active sex drive and a grossly underdeveloped sexual morality.
Whether their explorations damages them, or whether the loud and insistent claims that they must be damaged does the damage (assuming and damage can be demonstrated) is but one of a multitude of unanswered questions.
Ad hominum attacks are not really an answer, more an indication of a lack of any valid answer.
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