Government activity in family is a form of charity, at best.
As madison said, there is NO Constitutional authority for government to do charity. That means, government should keep its hands off the family.
I guess you didn't realize that crimes such as rape and homosexuality were CAPITAL CRIMES when our Founding Fathers were around.
Yes, some children will be beaten, seduced, raped, even killed. But, given that government intervention is worse - perhaps we must rely on family and neighbors, and church members.
This better than just about any post on FR demonstrates how sick, dangerous and evil the libertarian agenda is.
You are actually suggesting that letting childred be BEATEN, RAPED AND KILLED is preferable to the government having laws to prevent it.
Thanks for saying what I was thinking Wagglebee, by the time I started typing I knew I would have had it removed.
One of the reasons I don’t post many responses to this kind of drivel is I tend to get too worked up over it and let emotion get in the way, which can cloud my judgment of what I type.
I asked one libertarian if we should just have marriage as a man and a woman.
the answer was and yes it is sick.
Anyone should marry anything and anyone whenever they want and if a father wants to marry his little daughter aged 5 then so be it.
that is why I am not libertarian
Excellent post.
BTTT
Update
Accused of sex with boy, teacher quits
By Michelle Mondo - Express-News
A teacher jailed over the weekend on a charge of aggravated sexual assault on one of her students resigned Monday amid revelations that the boy had been removed from her classroom because of concerns about her behavior toward him.
Lucinda Rodriguez Caldwell, 38, is accused of taking one of her former fifth-grade students to a motel early Saturday and performing a sex act on him, according to an arrest warrant affidavit. She was expected to be released on $75,000 bail late Monday night or early today.
A teacher at Cable Elementary School in the Northside Independent School District since 2006, Caldwell was still behind bars Monday when the district served her papers that gave her the option of resigning or taking paid administrative leave, district spokesman Pascual Gonzalez said.
Gonzalez said the district is reporting the incident to the State Board for Educator Certification. He also confirmed the teacher had been reprimanded in the past because of her behavior toward the boy.
In late February, three teachers expressed concern about Caldwell’s behavior toward the boy that appeared “overly friendly,” Gonzalez said, but there were no complaints from the 12-year-old student or his father and nothing that showed she was sexually involved with him.
She was counseled and reprimanded, Gonzalez said.
“Elementary teachers by nature are very close to their kids, very affectionate; that’s just the atmosphere of the elementary school,” Gonzalez said. “But there is a line of friendliness you do not cross, and in the opinion of these staff members she crossed the line.”
A week or two later, Caldwell gave the boy a private tutoring session in the classroom after school hours that was not approved by the administrators, as is required.
After the principal learned of the session, she decided on March 5 to move the boy out of Caldwell’s classroom. Gonzalez said the boy and his father still had not expressed any concern about the teacher.
“That’s the last of any kind of incidents that the school was aware of,” Gonzalez said.
How much contact with the boy Caldwell had after he was moved from her classroom and during the summer is not known.
Gonzalez said the first he heard of any contact was on news about her arrest.
Caldwell was arrested Saturday after the boy’s father awoke to find his son missing, according to an arrest warrant affidavit.
He went outside to look for him and saw the teacher drive up to the house.
The father recognized the car because of past “dealings” with Caldwell, the affidavit said. When the father approached the car, Caldwell took off. He followed her in his own vehicle to Hondo, where she was pulled over and arrested.
The boy then told police that she took him to a motel. Police confirmed that she checked into a motel at 1:15 a.m.
Gonzalez said there had been no other complaints about Caldwell. He said she had previously worked at districts in El Paso and Eagle Pass.
No one in Caldwell’s family could be reached for comment.
“As professional educators, we are extremely distressed that a teacher would take advantage of a child,” Gonzalez said. “Because the vast majority of teachers are honorable and they do their very best to help their students succeed.”
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/teacher_jailed_for_sexual_assault_resigns_99806864.html?showFullArticle=y
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“overly friendly.” Hoo boy.
"This better than just about any post on FR demonstrates how sick, dangerous and evil the libertarian agenda is".[wagglebee]
GladesGuru is in no way accurately reflecting libertarian principles. Even libertarians admit that one of the primary functions of government is to protect individual rights.
You posted:
“You are actually suggesting that letting childred be BEATEN, RAPED AND KILLED is preferable to the government having laws to prevent it.”
I posted no such thing.
What I did post, and at some length, was that at least in Florida, government intervention in abusive situations resulted in more abuse.
There are some things which government can’t do. Preventing evil seems to be one such thing. Preventing child abuse by government taking custody of the abused child has been tried - and those programs produced more abuse.
Please do not attack me because I bring bad news. As a matter of fact, I spent many weeks, and thousands of dollars trying to help a woman keep her child after the state filed a felony level child abuse charge against her because one of the state wild beasts nearly killed the child.
A Harvard educated plastic surgeon friend of mine contributed over $15,000 of professional time trying to point out to the goobers that the mother was incapable of causing such wounds.
That boy suffered, in addition to the physical wounds, such things as being deprived of his mother when critically ill, then forced into a foster home where he had to call the black woman running the home “Mom”.
His birth mother was white. Talk about confusing a 3.5 year old!
The sad fact is that state custodial care is filled with violent, and/or sexually predatory “clients” who then beat or rape other “clients”.
Sorry, but government has proven that it can not prevent it.
I raised this disturbing failure of government because I hoped to start a discussion as to how something productive could be found.
Got ideas?
Er...why did you ping me on this?
Wow.
First off, as Wagglebee pointed out “I guess you didn’t realize that crimes such as rape and homosexuality were CAPITAL CRIMES when our Founding Fathers were around.”
There is little to zero hope of rehabilitation for a rapists in our system. And child molestors (IIRC) have a KNOWN recitivism rate of 75%.
Glades, while I can clearly relate to a lot of the feelings you are having, I would ask, “What is your solution?” Increasing Government intervention, in my opinion, has done little—to nothing—to curb the acts you are describing, but it probably has raised community awareness.
The problem is, that, if family’s all functioned the way you’d like them to (Meaning socializing children, and caring for them without harming them), then we’d have no difference of opinion, I think. The problem is that families have dropped the ball, and that Government has picked it up, and then some.
I agree with the family picking that ball back up, I think you’re making an argument that is faith based (which i can understand), but which won’t change a lot of minds. Because the fact is, that people will abuse children, but that doesn’t mean we don’t strive to end it. If you mean that the FEDEAL government should keep it’s noses out of the family, I can agree. I think state and local government should be able to make laws with consent of the governed.
We all want government out of our lives, but you forget that are freedom seeking constitution, as Washington said, can only govern a moral people. If people were moral, government intervention wouldn’t be necessary, and this point would be moot.
I don’t have a definitive solution for you (other than the Ideal of everyone living by perfect Christian values, probably not gonna happen), because I’m just an imperfect person myself. But I do think we should come up with ideas of how to implement better standards of government in the home. After all, we have to define SOMEWHERE what we find acceptable. Many cultures teach female circumcision and the like. Are you willing to accept such atrocities based on cultural relativism, if they come to the U.S.? The Kukukuku people of New guinea believe the men have to rape boys in order to get them to grow up. Is that acceptable if they lived in the U.S.? NO, IT IS NOT.
So we have to draw the line somewhere. I draw the line for these types of things at the State level, with State Constitutions. States decide what they’re going to do, but I don’t think the FedGov has any say in this. But to get rid of all Government in this area, as you said, is probably not going to work in a non-perfect world, and it certainly isn’t going to function with a non-moral people we both know exist today. The problem is, that not everyone agrees with you, and we’ll always (probably) be on the other side of a government which is run by amoral people (ie. Homeschooling is abuse, whatever). There will be people on both sides, and they will not agree. I would err on the side of less government indoctrination, but a good Criminal Justice System requires good laws, and moral judges.
If we can agree on the problem, we can work towards a solution. But no government probably won’t work. And I feel we agree about the problem.
I only read the excerpts you selected. But based on those excerpts, what you wrote is quite insightful and seems a concise way to sum up the dangers of those who favor liberty at all costs, even over duty.