That certainly looks nice.
Posted on 08/11/2010 5:10:45 AM PDT by marktwain
Capt. John Raguso keeps threatening to send us a review of Kel Tec’s smokin’ SUB-2000 9mm carbine. Today, Hi-Point Carbines drops the news that their long awaited .45 ACP rifle is ready to rock and roll. These handgun-caliber carbine may be gaining favor over the venerable 12-gauge as the weapon of choice for hom defense. And for good reason. In fact, here are four. . .
1. Less recoil than a shotgun
While home defense shotguns put an awful lot of lead downrange with a single trigger squeeze, shooters pay the price with a big ole’ wallop to their shoulder. That’s no big thing for big people who’re comfortable with firearms (who may, in fact, like the kick). And in the heat of battle, who cares? But if a gun is formidable to fire (i.e. painful), its owners are FAR less likely to practice. If they don’t, they will not be confident and accurate.
Even in .45 ACP, handgun-caliber carbines have minimal recoil, relatively speaking. The lower recoil makes the rifles far more attractive to women, teens and (let’s be honest here) small-framed men. They can also put a lot of lead downrange. BONUS! Quick mag changes are easier than reloading a shotgun.
2. Quieter than a shotgun
The state prohibitions against silencers really piss me off. (Somebody was watching way too many spy movies.) Meanwhile, shotguns are ridiculously, enormously loud. While a handgun caliber carbine will make plenty of noise, a shooter stands a chance of being able to hear something after firing—which could save their life. Comparing the two firearms genres, handgun caliber rifles will definitely reduce a shooter’s chances of permanent, perhaps even catastrophic hearing loss.
3. Better than a handgun
So’s a shotgun. But again, there are plenty of people who find shotguns intimidating. In that sense, handgun caliber carbines hit the sweet spot. Thanks to the carbines longer sight radius, they’re easier to aim than a handgun, And more intimidating (i.e. visible)
Handgun caliber carbines increase bullet speed and, thus, penetration. Hi-Point says their .45 ACP’s longer barrel increases velocity figures between 80-200 FPS (feet per second) over a like-chambered handgun.
4. Less expensive
To my way of thinking, a semi-automatic weapon is the best home defense shotgun. A good one costs the thick end of a grand. This Hi-Point .45 ACP Carbine costs $330. The SUB-2000 goes for $409.
I love shotguns. But the handgun caliber carbines may be better for more people. The market will speak.
Specifications for Hi-Point .45 ACP Carbine:
Price: $330 MSRP Finish: Special high-durability black powder coat Stock: Black molded polymer-(with standard upper and lower Picatinny rails). Barrel length: 171/2-inches Overall length: 33-inches Weight: 71/2-pounds. Magazine capacity: 9-rounds. Sight: Adjustable front post and adjustable rear (ghost ring) Warranty: Lifetime on parts and labor that follows the gun. Manufacturer: Hi-Point of Mansfield Ohio-every part is made in the U.S.A. Factory affordable options are available: Folding grip, laser, scope sight, etc.
If people are worried about recoil—as the article suggests—then that probably means they aren’t that handy or rookies with firearms anyway. With an intruder, they’re gonna be to nervous to “take a bead on someone” with a smoke stick shooting a .45ACP. They probably won’t have much target discipline—which is why a shotgun is the original point and click—just point it in the general direction and you’re bound to hit.
Agree.
Get a big can or two of Bear Spray. Effective and a lot less messy to clean up.
Thats easy, off the shelf sound recorders can be bought almost anywhere, add an amplifier and a speaker, connect to a proximity yard light sensor.
Another good sound is the one that you hear before a landmine goes off.
Agreed.
The only thing that racking does is to convince others, that might be with the initial target is that you have just said “NEXT?” and maybe they will clear out.
Depends on the bear. If it is a nominally sized black bear and the shot is well placed a 45Colt will do nicely. Now large (>350#) blacks, grizzlies, and browns are a different story.
” Intruder hears sound, cannot locate the source, loses confidence in his ability to control the tactical situation, departs. “
Exactly —
In a ‘home defense’ situation, you’re most likely to encounter sneak-thieves, intent on taking your possessions undetected...
Unless your desired intent is to have a firefight in your home, then driving them off is the preferable outcome...
“For home defense, a scatter gun is perfect, not to mention the sound of a shucked shell will scare a good number of people off in no time”.
To each his own. But if one’s home is invaded, the invaders should be carried out and not run away scared to come back another dayQ
I tend to agree. Those outside would hear that sound several times in quick succession.
Benelli M4 - the CWIS of home defense weapons!
Makes it much more likely to be able to defuse a situation without having to fire a shot....
I've seen this illogical reasoning posted many times and couldn't disagree more.
You should never pull a weapon unless you intend to use it to protect your life, which to me, means shooting the bad guy in the 10 ring.
I would never give an intruder any idea of my position, nor any idea that my weapon was not ready to be fired.
Aim and fire, no sound, no warning and hopefully, he'll never even hear the shot that killed him.
Situation defused.
Taurus Judge, one of the big gun ‘crazes’ going on now.
That certainly looks nice.
Relying on cycling a pump shotgun action to act as a deterrent is the height of foolishness. That means you've either been closing on the intruder with a weapon out of battery or you've dumped one of your limited rounds on the floor where it will do no good. Both actions that leave you at an extreme disadvantage in a firefight.
And that doesn't even get into the whole "leaving cover and exposing yourself to extreme danger while attempting to find the thug."
Once someone has entered your home, they have declared their willingness to do serious bodily harm to you, your only options are retreat, surrender or replying with immediate and overwhelming force.
Another good deterrent is to have an innocuous harmless looking box attached at different places in your house, at the entry points, above windows, on the ceilings.
All they are is a battery box in a vague shape, has a lithium 3 volt battery, a slow flasher and a red LED.
An unidentifiable object will make even a seasoned veteran take pause much like a field mouse spooking an elephant, to a person be it a bad person or something else its an unknown factor, it could be a sensor, could be a claymore, could be an infrared camera.
Fake cameras mounted all around a property have been shown to dramatically reduce incursions. Its easy and affordable to by camouflaged predator or wild game infrared cameras from places like Cabelas, at least get it in a picture, unless you have a backhoe....
Why not? The Army stores their weapons with the actions closed (in battery), it seems to work for them. Storing weapons with the actions open keeps operating springs compressed on semi-autos for no good reason. Keeping a self defense weapon ready to go, as in round in the chamber and safety on is the only way I would store my go-to weapon.
I’d like an M4 but both of my M1s (H&K versions) have been flawless since the day I bought them (new), and have seen no need for anything to replace them, but then again “need” is a subjective term, specially when you are talking about firearms.
A friend of mine put a few fake cameras around his swimming pool and found out that his daughters boyfriends had suddenly become more well behaved when they came over for a swim.
“I view it as a higher capacity PF-45 Liberator.....use it once and get an upgrade from the opponent.”
I like that view!
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